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[sunburnthammer]

Just ordered the TM Rubber and Tightbore barrel from ebairsoft. Came to just over £24. Now for someone who aims to install it in a AA KImber, its not a bad investment (should it work at all).





...any links on how to install a TB and rubber in a AA Kimber

[Azubi]

No...the video disproves his own theory. If you see it, why would you then buy it?

I have bought it in order to try and provide some side by side results using TM P226s. From these results, we can provide evidence for or against the claims of the manufacturer and it will hopefully aid other airsofters in deciding for themselves. All we have seen so far is this one video by the manufacturer who is hoping to sell his product to all of us consumers. For all we know, that AEG could be firing at 280fps on .2s or it could be firing at 700fps on .2s and it seems to me this is your biggest argument against it. I do agree, they should have provided this information and, if anything, this makes it all the more important for the community to provide a more informative test.

[jal3]

Hey what do you play with? Something 1-1.2 joule i suppose? Next time you're out, try buying a pack of 0.36's and play with them for the day.

[adadqgg]

Azubi is not in UK at the moment. And if someone bothered to check his sig, he would know that Azubi does not always play in UK.

And did someone just try to eyeball the velocity of bb(without knowing the weight of the bb; because obviously this is promotional video and anything could be a lie) in a promotional video???

Edited by adadqgg, 12 April 2012 - 09:54 PM.

[kullwarrior]

why did they test it in a WE G18? Why not a TM one? Testing parameters should have been more defined in the video...then again that guy's similarity to Richard Machowicz is just...scary lol.

Prices I guess, it's cheaper and WE hopup is inferior to TM due to QC for the most part. (Side by side comparsion of the M9, 1911 Hi Capa suggest such)

[Azubi]

Hey what do you play with? Something 1-1.2 joule i suppose? Next time you're out, try buying a pack of 0.36's and play with them for the day.

jal3, you keep making assumptions and use those assumptions aggressively for some reason. What weight of BB do you believe I use in my pistols?

Why do you see this product, and people's willingness to give it a try, as some sort of insult to you? Why does it annoy you so much that someone is willing to actually test it out and give some quantifiable results to the community that they love? If it is rubbish then I haven't wasted much money and hopefully they results will help others decide if it is a waste of money or not.

As it stands at the moment though, I have to keep pointing out that we have a sensationalist promotional video and lots of skeptical consumers but no 3rd party results to see if it really does offer any benefits over other methods used to increase range. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't but unless someone actually tries it then we will never know, will we?

[sniperelite7]

Jal has had a stick up his bum because he and his tiny little opinion still haven't quite liberated the masses of sheeple who continue to(despite his righteous and well founded indignation) utilize the r-hop and flathop to great effect.

Regardless, because i'm feeling lazy I might stick this into my kmp9 for the helluva it. Assuming it is compatible.

[WhiteHawksan]

wait wasn't Jal issuing fearsome rhetoric AGAINST the r-hop as some sort of demon magic? I mean clearly, any new invention that promises an upgrade in performance that isn't directly quantifiable in terms of explanation of effect in exact terms is clearly not going to work, any video to the contrary is 'fake', 'fixed' or 'stooopid'

I for one look forward to your test results azubi, if it provides a substantial gain over my current set ups, it may well find itself being employed among some of my rifles/pistols.

[Wingmann]

Regardless, because i'm feeling lazy I might stick this into my kmp9 for the helluva it. Assuming it is compatible.

It seems like a standard TM rubber form, so I'd say no. That's why I asked for the System 7 version

[FireKnife]

To be honest this is a bit meh and seems like a company that is trying to hard to make their stuff look good, if it is actually any good you should be able to take it up against a similar company model and have it produce better results or the same results but you sell it for less. This is a bad promo as it shows up fiddling with the system to make something look better than it actually is.

Plus never having had an issue with a TM hop up and never finding a good standard replacement makes me think less of this.

'FireKnife'

[Isamu]

BTW, MOAR buckings

http://www.ebairsoft.com/xhigh-tech-bucking-rh55-m115-m135-p-5662.html



Different product, I know, but seems like a "cheap" way to get a "flat hop" nub (sorry, cant remember the name of the original maker of that nub

Edited by Isamu, 13 April 2012 - 10:39 AM.

[l96ninja]

Looks like a bucking that comes stock with a FireFly Buffer-type nub, rather than your standard nub, at a much cheaper price (those nubs are like $16 alone). I wonder if the bucking has no nub, as is custom with flat-hop builds?

Edited by l96ninja, 13 April 2012 - 01:34 PM.

[QQexDERA]

wait wasn't Jal issuing fearsome rhetoric AGAINST the r-hop as some sort of demon magic?

Sounds just like the owner of a certain forum I post on. He makes money doing mods to increase the accuracy of the kit the forum discusses, so it is unsurprising that he is negative about anything like R/G/Flat hops - cos he'd be losing money!

Looks like a bucking that comes stock with a FireFly Buffer-type nub, rather than your standard nub, at a much cheaper price (those nubs are like $16 alone). I wonder if the bucking has no nub, as is custom with flat-hop builds?

Given that in the description it states "V-shaped hop sector for greater accuracy", i'm thinking that its just a 100% copy of the Firefly bucking and rubber.

Edited by QQexDERA, 13 April 2012 - 04:40 PM.

[Kalashnikov_kid]

Ordered two X High techs and a Reaps AEG rubber. Will do some serious testing of both

[Misfit]

Hey.

You guys want to stop the personal attacks and insults? If you can't reply to someone's opinion politely and debate in a courteous manner then just be quiet lest you confirm yourself an idiot.

[harborne blue]

I'm waiting to see a review of this GBB and AEG hop miracle. If it works, they're going into to all my guns but I will believe it when I read it. I hope I am wrong but I cannot see how a hop mod alone will push a heavy BB over 60m. I am assuming that the G18 is pushing out <1.2j as I'm not sure it can take much more - mine wouldn't!

[aznriptide859]

For AEG's I think R-hopping it would be better for it anyways.

[jal3]

I hope I am wrong but I cannot see how a hop mod alone will push a heavy BB over 60m. I am assuming that the G18 is pushing out <1.2j as I'm not sure it can take much more - mine wouldn't!

It's not really the hopup mod. A heavy BB will fly further because it contains more energy in less velocity, which means smaller airdrag/energy ratio than a lighter BB.
If you put out a 0,30 with 1 joule-ish, you can shoot 60meters with overhopup (the last 2 guns in that first video shows a very good example of this).
If you put out a 0.40 with 1,5 joule like i do, you can shoot 60 meters in a straight line, and 80-90m with overhopup (a lot of it).

Heavy BB's retain the energy a lot better. If you shoot at a surface (tarp is good) from 50 meters away, you can clearly hear that a heavy bb smacks a lot harder.

I can only encourage people to try it. Expensive, sure, but if you're already running a 500£+ rifle (or ptw), it makes sense, cause it really gives a lot.
You will shooter longer, more precise, have less wind play, shoot better through bushes and hit people harder.
Also if your opponent is a bit further away, just rise the rifle slightly and you'll get the last 5-10 meters needed, because the BB is still going steadily forward instead of spinning in place.

I can only encourage people to try it. Expensive, sure, but if you're already running a 500£+ rifle (or ptw), it makes sense, cause it really gives a lot. Especially if you're limited to 1joule ish velocities, then you'll be outshooting anybody.

http://www.taiwangun.com/pellets.html These prices will probably make it a bit more attractive (sorry uk retailers ).

Skirmish day tomorrow! Grab a bag of 0,36's at your local field and give it a go!

One thing though, pushing a BB through a hopup set for 0,36 or 0,40 is hard. You'll probably experience a 10-15% energy decrease when the hopup is set.

Edited by jal3, 14 April 2012 - 09:06 PM.

[aznriptide859]

Quoting from HS5:

"This product is neither miracle nor demon. Let me just try and straighten a few things out here:

While technically the mound on this bucking has a concave area, its contact with the bb isn't concave and isn't meant to be. Its just intended to "center" the bb in the barrel via the edges of those two ridges. I could nitpick and point out that the barrel is concave and will automatically center the bb, but you never know what a space invader azn is thinking so we'll just ignore it.

From what I've seen and talked with people about (I've actually been getting a flood of PMs from people saying these guys ripped off my idea) this isn't particularly effective. Spin consistency isn't very good, not even as good as regular mounded buckings, but the reports of range increases have been greatly exaggerated. In terms of performance this isn't yet close to the performance of a good flat-hop.

For everyone who thinks this is "ripping off my idea" I'd just let this one go. It isn't copying the R-hop or the buckings which preceded the R-hop. In my whole bucking tests I never actually tried dual "stabilizer" bars to center the bb, I always worked strictly with bb conforming concavity. The only similarities between this and my early prototypes is that the mounds are longer than a standard mound, hardly grounds for claiming "IP infringement." The bottom line though is that it doesn't work terribly well both due to the limitations I discovered in my experiments, and because the actual quantity of contact with the bb is even smaller than it would otherwise have been because of their wacky mound design. (I have images I can post, but I think someone linked to them up there) Its..... messy.

Bottom line? When the "new thing" fad passes I suspect this'll fall into obscurity. *shrug* Honestly aren't we all STILL waiting for some company do do a run of injection molded moundless ridgeless buckings? Why can't someone do that. "

(Sorry about the black bars)

Edited by aznriptide859, 15 April 2012 - 05:29 PM.

[Isamu]

Someone plaaning on using this bucking in a VSR10 type sniper?