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[sniperelite7]

Polarstar has released a new video showing off the new version 3 fusion prototype in an AK.

[adadqgg]

It is not just AK.

It is the RealSword Type 56...

That means they made it fit the slightly shorter gearbox/receiver.

What seems to be the real issue here is that they forgot to put on the selector switch.

Edited by adadqgg, 04 January 2012 - 02:17 AM.

[aznriptide859]

That is an issue...if it only works for T56's then it won't work for all other AK's.

Which sucks.

[Tom Andrews]

Plus no trigger.....................

[Zombie00]

Plus no trigger.....................

Prototype.
Still fail to see what so good about this thing. I know N2 is consistent and all that, but having a canister at my back is a no-go for me. I played PB for a couple of years and I'm not going back to the remote lines and all that. Gas could only be appealing with blowback (and even with a good BB effect I still would steer clear from ever again carrying that thing at my back with a hose coming from the grip of my gun).

[MegaMan3k]

I'm still holding out for the M240 kit....

[bnoji]

That is an issue...if it only works for T56's then it won't work for all other AK's.

Which sucks.

Jordan has taken that into account. It's easier to fit the smallest space first, then add on to fill a larger space.

[sniperelite7]

Prototype.
Still fail to see what so good about this thing. I know N2 is consistent and all that, but having a canister at my back is a no-go for me. I played PB for a couple of years and I'm not going back to the remote lines and all that. Gas could only be appealing with blowback (and even with a good BB effect I still would steer clear from ever again carrying that thing at my back with a hose coming from the grip of my gun).

They've been a hit here in the states from what I could tell. The canister on my back hasn't bothered me one bit.

[J.J.Simpson]

A do it yourself kit for M249 (and upcoming PKM) would be awsome

[Horsem4n]

you can still order 249 drop in boxes from them directly i believe.

[uscmCorps]

I guess I'm missing the point as to why this is preferable over an AEG? Anyone?

[FELDJAGER]

pretty much instant trigger response, less moving parts to break, and apparently easy to get running in high velocity/high rof setups. At least, those are the reasons im looking into it for a G3 DMR.

[Sallinen]

Superior reliability, superior performance, superior adaptability, just to name a few superiors.
It is time to move on from the traditional mechboxes. Old technology and it is time to make new, better designs.

[Rob15]

Superior reliability, superior performance, superior adaptability, just to name a few superiors.
It is time to move on from the traditional mechboxes. Old technology and it is time to make new, better designs.

Most players won't go for that though, I for example do not want to have to carry a HPA bottle or have the expense/hassle of sorting out a decent HPA bottle, regulator and then refills even though I don't mind the idea of having a hose.

The Polarstar system could be the best thing in the world of airsoft ever, but it's still destined to be a niche item worldwide.

[harborne blue]

Superior reliability, superior performance, superior adaptability, just to name a few superiors.
It is time to move on from the traditional mechboxes. Old technology and it is time to make new, better designs.

I think you'll find that Marui have done that with the Recoil Shock AEGs. If the Polarstar takes off and even comes close to challenging the gas-in-mag GBBRs then I'll be very surprised. Why lug around a load of extra kit, at extra cost to be able to perform as well as a $400 AEG? Not for me, I'm afraid.

[Zombie00]

I think you'll find that Marui have done that with the Recoil Shock AEGs. If the Polarstar takes off and even comes close to challenging the gas-in-mag GBBRs then I'll be very surprised. Why lug around a load of extra kit, at extra cost to be able to perform as well as a $400 AEG? Not for me, I'm afraid.

Well, TM might work for you with your FPS limits, but that isn't true for other Airsoft communities like USA, some eastern Europe countries and, I believe, Hong Kong were the FPS limits are either high or none existent. No matter how good the hop-up is, the FPS are still an important factor (pushing heavier bbs, getting your shot through soft cover, etc).

Still, I'm one of those how prefer guns that shoot below 18-20 RPS and my local rule-set doesn't allow me to go over 400FPS for assault rifles. Reliability hasn't been an issue so far and N2 isn't as easy to come by over here as it might be on North America.
This is obviously a niche product, not an Airsoft revolution like TM Aegs. Plus, it's expensive, how much would it cost to have LCT externals with this system inside (plus the N2 canister, the hose and, probably, a regulator)?.

[adadqgg]

This has its market.

I just do not see TM recoil unit working well past 30rps.

And the most important thing here is that the air rig pretty much got rid of motor windup time and sewing machine sound.

I would not use air rig where/when I play airsoft; nor would I want over 20rps...but one of these with reasonable rps is fine.

[Rob15]

It does seem it's market is in countries with either a cold climate or where AEGs regually get pushed to/close to their limits, in those areas the Polarstar system makes perfect sense, very cold temperatures reduce the lifespan of gearbox shells and for the very high fps markets it almost certainly will be more reliable than any AEG.

For those who are saying 'why do we need outdated gearboxes anymore' I'd say this, gearboxes are a well proven design, granted with known flaws that largely people have found ways to get around, ie, Mosfets. Gearboxes themselves are very cheap, in the last few years decent quality gearbox parts have become cheaper and easier to get hold of, they're easy to repair at home using these readily available cheap parts when they go wrong and only need a motor and battery adding which have also come down in price. Batteries particually have come down a lot, back in 2005 to get 2400mAh in mini-pack sizes needed at least 2 batteries costing around £40 - £60, now you can get a single lipo for £16 here in the UK of that capacity, far cheaper than any HPA rig and like gearbox repairs, recharging can be done at home with low cost equipment.

Finally, at fps levels around 400fps at a sensible ROF or less it is perfectly possible to have a gearbox running reliably and consistantly for a considerable period of time at a fairly low cost, even a cheap gearbox with poor tolerances at UK fps levels can run for an impressive amount of time before failing and that is why they still have a place and won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

[Horsem4n]

The point of the system is flexibility with reliability at all 4 ends of the spectrum. You just need to set up one gun that will work at every field you bring it to without having to tear it down between games for changes of building multiple guns.

I live in the north east USA. A place where all sorts of fields are. I have out door fields with normal fps limits for the us and thr out door fields with limits a bit higher and others that are larger and I could take on a DMR role where I was in a rifleman role last game. I have cqb fields that are strict 350 fps and semi only, others that allow full auto from building to building and others that allow full auto when you shoot less than 300 fps.

I can take the same gun to all those fields with no problems at the chrono.

The thing about it is that even P* admits its a niche product. But, with anything you want to sell, you have to market to everyone and that makes it look like they are saying that its for everyone. So, my point is only to put forward the reason for creation (flexibility) and to stop everyone from arguing about how useful it is.

If you need flexible kit and find yourself building lots of guns for different purposes, get one of these things. That is, unless you have an irrational hatred for tubes coming from the grip or you don't wear a lot of kit and don't want to bare the weight of the rig (all 3 pounds of it) all day.

[Zombie00]

In my modest opinion is better to either have several guns (in variety lays the taste they say, so no Cqb M4, assault M4 and DMR M4) or even stick to one play-style regardless of the environment you're playing in (except for those CQB hangar sites you have in the states) and compensate with a pistol or a small AEG/GBBR (i.e.:Mp5k/Mp7). The transition from one gun to the other is also part of the fun. But maybe that's just me.