GRR! Damn you all for making me look like a ARES marketing rep...
Well, i must admit in Cost vs Performance ARES might fail but considoring i can get PTW-grade performance out of a Cheapo ACM gun with few tweaks dont that mean everything above that said ACM-cheapo is not very cost-efficant?
Like i said i dont wanna sound like an ARES-fanboy but instead to prove its no worse then most brands out there. Hmm... That said, what would it need to be "equal" in your eyes? Pump out massive FPS? Huge ROF? Both? Its been quite some time since i took mine apart so i cant recall all details so clearly but trying to think back i see no problems fitting most parts to say, my AK74U or fitting the parts from the AK to the TAR21... Out of the two i'd say ARES takes a small lead over the Dboys AK. Dunno if i'd put my money on a fancy Systema Probox over ARES TAR21 gearbox(as in internals, not just shell), be it a brutal stress-test "till the end" or typical skirmishing.
If i recall, wasn it so that a regular piston needed modification to fit the TAR21? Cant remember that on mine. Ok. Lets say its so, or any part for that matter. They made a TAR21, freaking sweet! Even has nifty features like spring-release and quick-change, i'd forgive them a few "may need some modding" -bits for all they have done.
Heres a question. What does other guns have that the TAR21 cannot have due to its "special TAR21-only parts" ? Considoring it is an assault-rifle.
Jeah im sure someone is really sad somewhere cause his didnt work as a SAW and sniper at the same time and now hates ARES for it while sleeping next to his 249 with biiiig scope on it.
Reminds me of me and guy next door. I buy a new Mercedes-Benz with a big engine, he buys a Toyota that runs on batteries or so. Both cars get the job done, he for some reason just seems to hate anything with a Merc-star on it for some reason and spreads the hate all over... Does that make mine bad? Im also fairly sure Prius doesnt have a "sport" model regardless if the tags he has on his boot ^^
I believe both the guy next door and someone not using a TAR21 as an assault-rifle is an idiot.
LOL it's fine that you like ARES and all, and I've never owned one myself, but have a friend at owns one and understand that it's a pain to fix (even in Hong Kong where you'd expect to be able to find parts...being ARES is based in HK and all) and as I frequent ASM I'll take what I read about ARES and stay far away from it. Their price tag is sure the disincentive to get an ARES if they really have issues and have inflexibility in upgrading for me!
What's with the comparison with the elcheapo-ACM guns? I think you mean it should be said that ACM guns are the MOST cost effective? In that case it would be a resounding 'yes', but remember those who CAN tune an ACM gun up to crazy levels aren't your average tech, so they might not have the knowledge to let them do DSG builds and such, meaning that the cost v performance comparative would be lower compared to other brands just because they cannot reach the same level of teching as some people do. There's also the factor of the external appearance. For function over form, some ACM guns really beat the rest (like the Golden Eagle or JG G36...if you've seen the new batch, you wouldn't think it's elcheapo ACM XD) but like you said and you're trying to put forward; there's a lot of ACM brands out there that have much lower quality and specs than ARES or even OTHER guns that are in the ACM 'grouped brand' that we're talking about, so don't let us ACM brand supporters for the cost v performance part trick you into thinking we support ALL the makes of ACM
For ARES to be equal, they should either start by lowering their price and use non-proprietary stuff. There's nothing wrong with the current standard trigger contacts, and they play along nicely with FETs if it's required, but if you've frequent ASM enough you'll find that their trigger switches aren't friendly to FETs at all and they do have a tendency to break...and then getting replacement parts are a PITA, etc.
Also, they don't have to churn out high ROF and FPS out of the box! No OOTB gun do that anyway! It's the ABILITY for ARES AEGs to be able to be modified to the same level as their other competitor's AEGs with the same amount of hassle as modding the competitor's AEGs would make ARES attractive for me to buy. Their externals...for the plastics used, is probably on par with the quality of VFC products right? So if they can do what VFC does, which is quality externals and so-so internals, but the internals being non-proprietary stuff, and charging roughly the same amount as VFC does for their guns (maybe slightly less if the gun has a plastic receiver) then that would make ARES very attractive.
I think you're also putting a lot of emphasis on the fact that only ARES has made an acceptable TAR21 replica...that's true, and that's why everyone buys ARES if they can get their hands on one rather than get the S&T if they knew about the crappier materials S&T used (right S&T users? If I'm wrong lemme know ). But the fact is for those that are comparing AEG to AEG, not TAR21 to TAR21, ARES lose out big time.
And those bits of 'destructive' modding to get regular parts to work on the ARES is probably the same reason why some of us hate KWA as well XD The amount of mods required for both to fit TM specced parts (if available) is probably the same.
And your comparison of us with your neighbour doesn't work. We aren't jealous of your gun (and stop rubbing it in our faces that you have a Merc ), we're just not accepting ARES for giving us a product that we want (like the TAR21) but with a huge price tag and the inflexibility of modding the gun If you come on the forums and say why you like ARES and you don't understand all the ARES hate, someone who doesn't like ARES is bound to pipe up with their reason as to why. We're not advocating you to follow our position, but rather that we both accept each other's reasons why we hate or love ARES and leave it at that Both aznriptide859 and myself understand your reasons why you like ARES, but it just seems like you don't understand why (or don't accept) both of us (and many others) for our dislike of ARES
this is turning ridiculous. 60rps? 3J? since when did airsoft turn into star trek laser beams?
In general you can buy all the parts you want for tune up, yes even with an Ares, just do research.
But If you don't have the skills to make em to good use, then it's rubbish. Regardless of the brand.
Besides most AEG's function improperly due to bad battery and bb's, or simply bad user.
Hey, if you can do it, like I said before, that means anything in between those ROF and power levels would be build-able!
So in general ARES can be counted as having aftermarket support, or are you saying that their stock parts in your experience are easy to get?