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[Noveske]

I know I cringe.... but apparently Costa is teaming up with Madbull. First thing they're doing is distributing Costa Ludos T-shirts via Madbull, but who knows what this means down the road.... Costa Ludos Rifles & accessories by Madbull?

http://madbull.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=48&products_id=461

I really wish someone cool would team up with VFC.

[hwagan]

I really wish people would stop teaming up with Madbull. My money is on they re-release that Co2 M&P with some different shaped sights and double the price

[Noveske]

You know what would be nice... Haley x VFC

[aznriptide859]

Haley already teamed up with Echo 1.

*barf*

[fiddlesticks4220]

And echo1 redistributes some VFC M4's .... We can dream right?

[Noveske]

Echo... what?

[aznriptide859]

American rebrand of JG/Dboys/ACM stuffs.

[Isamu]

Great, another excuse for madbull to increase their already overpriced stuff price

[FireKnife]

Can't forget the Haley + Tokyo Marui combo, too bad that was just to show how airsoft EBB rifles can match real ones in terms of doing drills and stances without the risk of a real round in the chamber

Now if the TM M&P came out with the tan frame and extras that Costa's did or even the threaded barrel as the one Haley used in Dynamic Handguns i would be a very happy person

'FireKnife'

[Shardik]

Yay more m4's!!

[FireKnife]

Yay more m4's!!

Because we all need those

However why is it that the worst companies get the real gun stuff, if the Timberwolf / PMR-30 was a TM then i would buy it but alas it is a SG so no.

'FireKnife'

[Noveske]

American rebrand of JG/Dboys/ACM stuffs.

I know.. It was rhetorical hahaha

[MRF]

I believe this "teaming up with" means no more than a clever marketing .
Costa Ludus t-shirts ? Please, give me a break...

(to clarify - I have nothing against Chris Costa himself - I simply don't care )

Great, another excuse for madbull to increase their already overpriced stuff price

100$ for rail, 99$ for complete receiver set, $58 for steel outer barrel, etc ? - all with license.
I don't think it's that much, specially when we consider RS stuff prices.

Cheaper stuff means... we play cards .

Edited by MRF, 11 June 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[Isamu]

Considering G&P stuff is equally high quality and madbull rails are out spec... well, yes, it is still too expensive. Only "advantage" madbull has is that they have licensed (monopolized) a lot of stuff, if they didnt, well, they wouldnt sell half of their accesories, *suitcase, even some element items feel as good as madbulls

i wont speak about Dytac which seems equally high quality and some of their stuff is still cheaper than madbull. are those cheaper than madbull? definetly? but I haven read a single thread about G&P or DYTAC being out of spec or being a lotery like ACM brands

I have installed an ACM troy xtreme rail (rail pieces included) which costed me half of the price of a madbull (I like playing cards), sturdy, light, with trades, anything an airsoft player could wish.

I like their 6.03 barrels BTW, cheap, nice, light... good purchase

EDIT: We all like playing cards, even out of spec madbull rail users, it all depends on how much money we bet on the bluff or a sure hand

Edited by Isamu, 11 June 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[QQexDERA]

i wont speak about Dytac which seems equally high quality and some of their stuff is still cheaper than madbull. are those cheaper than madbull? definetly? but I haven read a single thread about G&P or DYTAC being out of spec or being a lotery like ACM brands

Dytac stuff is good quality?!! You have got to be having a laugh there! From personal experience:

Dytac KAC T1 mount - complete ######
Dytac ADM style T1 one - OK, at best.
Dytac PTW outer barrel - ######
Dytac TM type M4 outer barrel - ######
Dytac TRX - Not great, but better than the Madbull one. I've had better ACM ones.

I have installed an ACM troy xtreme rail (rail pieces included) which costed me half of the price of a madbull (I like playing cards), sturdy, light, with trades, anything an airsoft player could wish.

I have had several of the Madbull TRX rails. The inability to fit a gas tube is bloody annoying to say the least. The ACM ones I had - MUCH better, for a lot less cash, so i'm fully in agreement with you there.

[intinerious]

Because we all need those

However why is it that the worst companies get the real gun stuff, if the Timberwolf / PMR-30 was a TM then i would buy it but alas it is a SG so no.

'FireKnife'

The Timberwolf is based off TM design...I suspected it came from the same factory as the HK3P and WE so it's not too bad; meaning that I believe out of the box they ARE functional Furthermore, being a TM clone if you wanted the Timberwolf really badly there's a plethora of upgrades

Madbull is trying to be another Umarex/Cybergun/ASG, except they focus on RS aftermarket stuff licenses. Normally I wouldn't mind but for the prices they charge and the quality you receive, it makes me puke

Dytac stuff is good quality?!! You have got to be having a laugh there!

Yeah, gotta agree here....I've got the full set of ATACS stuff (SOPMOD Stock, TD Grip, TD Stubby Grip) and it's worst than some of the ACM stuff I've seen.

[QDRenegade]

Where is all this Madbull hate coming from? Across twenty or so products from them, I have found them to be one of two companies with quality I can count on (the other being G&P). Short of the out of spec DD rails from a few batches (imperial to metric conversion fail) I have not seen any issues. I have one of those rails and its not even bad. Sure beats all the other rails and railed elements I have gotten that are under spec.

Im just curious what this 'low quality' stuff is about unless its just people bitter about the price tag.

ETA - Short of hop up buckings, Madbull seems [to me] to be the 'buy one, cry once' company of the airsoft industry similar to Noveske, LT, LWRC, etc of the real industry.

Edited by QDRenegade, 11 June 2012 - 09:07 PM.

[QQexDERA]

I've had lots of Madbull kit. Most of it is ok, but it's the little details - like out of spec rails and having to resort to the mill and lathe to get a sodding gas tube to fit in the RIS unit - that are downright annoying.

[QDRenegade]

Isnt that part of their licensing agreement though? It prevents simple drop in use for real firearms - something any real steel manufacturer would be very up tight about. I would imagine such requirements would be the same for any airsoft manufacturer tryin to work under the good graces of a real one.

/devils advocate

Im a fan of high quality cheap stuff, too. Just saying, we cant realistically expect the best of everything.

[MRF]

Im a fan of high quality cheap stuff, too. Just saying, we cant realistically expect the best of everything.

Amen.

I think it's important to remember, that Madbull - like any other airsoft manufacturer - makes TOYS . Nothing more. Some mistakes are unavoidable because QC will be never the same as in firearms industry. My personal experiences with Madbull's products are actually very good.
Of course some ACM products are also very well made, but I will risk the statement, that they are just a few and some of them are hard to come by, like old-style DD Lite Rails. But speaking of details... You will always find something, what's not right. ACM TRX rails are poorly anodized in some blue/violet black. ACM Omega rails have inaccurately reproduced mounting base which doesn't fit delta rings. ACM mk18 had really bad color and mounting screw heads different to the original, etc.
So I guess they are often claimed to be so great, only because of quality/really-low-price-tag relation .

... returning to the topic, as I stated before, Madbull/Costa "cooperation" seems to be meaningless marketing action - at least on level of t-shirts .

Edited by MRF, 11 June 2012 - 09:52 PM.