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[aznriptide859]

Me gusta. Now please remake the AK105.

[adadqgg]

I found out that their excuse for incorrect selector switch position is: material is not same as realsteel so it could mix up semi/full auto after long time if using real style.


Very sad.


Well at least WE got owned by all that steel. Extra steel parts for win.

Edited by adadqgg, 18 July 2012 - 12:23 AM.

[Dreamer777]

I don't care if i UN-employed


TAKE ALL OF MY MONIEZ

[Joseph Porta]

a must have, thanks for sharing

[uscmCorps]

Curious to see how this system compares to the soon to be released KWA GBB AKs. I tested one this past weekend. It was pretty impressive on all levels.

[hitmanNo2]

uscmCorps, you are a man in the know. Why do KWA insist on those white 6mm trades e.t.c.? Especially on AKs, stupid trades are just unnecessary. Their products would be so much more appealing if it didn't take work to get them looking not like a toy.

[uscmCorps]

While KWA is in the business of making Airsoft products which are as we can all see are based on various types of RS firearms, their motivation and overall goal I see the company pushing is to make Airsoft a RS supplemental training tool. To that end, making the guns have RS trades and appear to be 100% aesthetically accurate in that regard isn't a priority. Moreover, it is in fact a conscious decision they've made to NOT have RS trademarks in many cases so that LE entities that use these products have some minimal and yet not too distracting characteristics to assist them in differentiating them from real firearms. In that regard, it makes sense as they're trying to strike a balance between the desires of LE to have a training tool, but also the Airsoft consumer purists who wants something aesthetically accurate.

I will say that I find the current crop of KWA logos far less objectionable than their previous offerings. The engravings on my LM4 GBBR are much more professional and less toy like than I recall seeing on their earlier M4 AEG guns from years ago. If this is the new trend for them, then it's certainly a positive move on their part.

As many people know I've always been a bit of a trademarkwhore myself. I love me my accurate looking guns. But for me, I've kinda come full circle. I like the LM4 as is since I see it as a training tool first and foremost to supplement my own RS training which I do a lot of. The trademarks look professional and not toy like. I'm leaving them as is.

That said, if people absolutely hate the 6mm markings and various trademarks, it's nothing a rattle can of flat black Krylon can't take care off. I wasn't crazy about their markings on my ATP and painted them black. Unless you're holding it, no one would be the wiser. The current crop of ATPs have their engravings blacked at the factory and look quite nice IMO. Also, the ATP fits *perfectly* into M&P 9mm (both full size and long slide) holsters which is what I predominantly use.

[hitmanNo2]

Valid points, but it seems the whole differential thing is somewhat of a cop out. Aren't a lot training weapons very clearly marked with blue furniture, mags e.t.c. for simunitions for example to clearly show they're not proper firearms? Using such minor differently marked airsoft guns for training seems a tad dangerous.

[uscmCorps]

The few times I've used and been in the presence of instructors using UTMs and SIMs the guns often have some kind of identifier such as a blue bolt in an AR15 or a blue barrel on a pistol. Some are more overt than others. Regardless of airsoft, SIMs or UTMs, when doing such training the danger of real firearms being used is dramatically reduced / nullified by all real firearms put away and locked up, then each and every person meticulously going through their own and each other's gear to ensure no real firearms and ammo is present. I've done a few LE only training events in which the training weapons were exclusively airsoft. It worked out fine.

[blobface]

me gusta.... good thing I held myself back for both the first round of GHK AK's and the WE AK's.... as much as I have a sneaky feeling that the KWA/KSC will out perform this, due to KSC being Japanese and KWA using pot metal, and with the RS counterpart being almost completely steel, I wouldn't go near it.... but steeeeeeeeeeeeeeel yeeeeeeeeah, can finally put my Obzor 1p63 somewhere it deserves...!

[DFM56]

USCM, did you notice if the locking lugs on the KWA AK GBBR mags were metal or plastic?

[uscmCorps]

From what I recall everything that is aesthetically metal on a real AK was metal on this AK. Which part is the locking lug again?

[greatwatermelon]

me gusta.... good thing I held myself back for both the first round of GHK AK's and the WE AK's.... as much as I have a sneaky feeling that the KWA/KSC will out perform this, due to KSC being Japanese and KWA using pot metal, and with the RS counterpart being almost completely steel, I wouldn't go near it.... but steeeeeeeeeeeeeeel yeeeeeeeeah, can finally put my Obzor 1p63 somewhere it deserves...!

Do you mean 3-4 rounds of GHK AK's? A few of my buddies spent too much money on GHK AK's, as GHK kept promising that their next version would function well.

KWA AKG's will be made of a majority of steel parts. Steel internals, steel receiver, steel dust cover. Accompanied by their FV system.

Edited by greatwatermelon, 22 July 2012 - 04:56 AM.

[adadqgg]

KWA AKG's will be made of a majority of steel parts. Steel internals, steel receiver, steel dust cover. Accompanied by their FV system.

WE also has steel receiver + dust cover. With steel parts not painted dull black but actually blued(still incorrect, but looks 10 times better).

KWA did not justify their high price with cast steel internals.

It comes down to who can fail less on external details.

And seeing as KWA likes to print KshD on their receiver... I am not excited about KWA GBB AK, at all.


However, it would be totally awesome if KWA can make entire bolt out of steel.

Edited by adadqgg, 22 July 2012 - 05:18 AM.

[greatwatermelon]

WE also has steel receiver + dust cover. With steel parts not painted dull black but actually blued(still incorrect, but looks 10 times better).

KWA did not justify their high price with cast steel internals.

It comes down to who can fail less on external details.

And seeing as KWA likes to print KshD on their receiver... I am not excited about KWA GBB AK, at all.


However, it would be totally awesome if KWA can make entire bolt out of steel.

Cast steel is supposed to be a downside especially with a $380 price tag on the KWA AK74 GBBR? You got to be joking me. Okay, WE certainly justified their $320 price with their "pot metal" internals. How much do you have to spend to have complete RA-Tech parts? I hope you enjoy the very questionable cooperation between WE and RA-Tech.

I don't share the same opinion about trademarks. To me, engineering is not determined by what is engraved into a piece of metal.

I look forward too, to what KWA does to their AK bolt. Fingers crossed they do they same as they did on the LM4.

Edited by greatwatermelon, 22 July 2012 - 05:50 AM.

[adadqgg]

Cast steel is supposed to be a downside especially with a $380 price tag on the KWA AK74 GBBR? You got to be joking me. Okay, WE certainly justified their $320 price with their "pot metal" internals. How much do you have to spend to have complete RA-Tech parts? I hope you enjoy the very questionable cooperation between WE and RA-Tech.

I don't share the same opinion about trademarks. To me, engineering is not determined by what is engraved into a piece of metal.

I look forward too, to what KWA does to their AK bolt. Fingers crossed they do they same as they did on the LM4.

No one said cast steel is down side. Necessity of RA-tech parts is also a reason why I say WEAK fails.

It has nothing to do with engineering; it has to do with how much manufacturer care about realism(which KWA should not ever fail at if they ever give a rat's rear about their product being used as training aid)...which WE failed at and KWA almost failed(still waiting on final product, but KshD is pure stupidity...KWA wants to use cyrillic lettering to look like KWA in Russian but failed miserably...).

Problem is that KWA likes to advertise as if their stuff is best in world... I have no idea what to expect(if their AEG AK is like their typical offering; they have to pay me money for me to buy one).

Edited by adadqgg, 22 July 2012 - 06:24 AM.

[greatwatermelon]

No one said cast steel is down side. Necessity of RA-tech parts is also a reason why I say WEAK fails.

It has nothing to do with engineering; it has to do with how much manufacturer care about realism(which KWA should not ever fail at if they ever give a rat's rear about their product being used as training aid)...which WE failed at and KWA almost failed(still waiting on final product, but KshD is pure stupidity...KWA wants to use cyrillic lettering to look like KWA in Russian but failed miserably...).

Problem is that KWA likes to advertise as if their stuff is best in world... I have no idea what to expect(if their AEG AK is like their typical offering; they have to pay me money for me to buy one).

Do you know what trademarks are there for on actual guns? It's not there exactly for aesthetics. It's there to actually denote a company, location, caliber that is firing, and give an unique serial tag on the firearm itself so it can be registered and followed, just like cars and their license plate and VIN numbers. Don't believe me? Instead of reading in braille, go and actually read with your eyes the side of a Saiga receiver or any firearm receiver.

Since KWA gives a rats about their products used as training weapons for Law Enforcement agencies like Khyber Interactive Associates, KWA actually follows the proper trademarks by denoting 'KWA' as the company, located in 'City of Industry, CA,' firing 6mm bb's, and has an unique serial number that is actually logged into the database. Why the hell would a Law Enforcement agency want trademarks that aren't accurate on their training rifle? A 6mm bb airsoft gun labeled as a 5.56 or 5.54 caliber made by someone else who didn't make it at a location that it never was at with a serial number that doesn't exist?

Believe it or not, the serial numbers on KWAs and their database actually do something. That database does not only log the actual owner of the the airsoft gun (in case its reported stolen, not that anybody knew or cared), but can also help with specifying a gun from a batch in case there is something wrong with that batch itself, as well as help compile statistics to prove if any improvements need to be made. A proper serial number system, prompts a company to follow a specific case or RMA by its serial number, which KWA does follow.

If it was any thing to argue for, it would be arguing that KWA is not tailoring their trademarks for AIRSOFT COLLECTORS. If an actual shooter objects to that, then I would question what is stopping him from buying a real one to enjoy the 'real' firearm trademarks.

In terms of KWA marketing their stuff as the best in the world, I agree that KWA products are hyped up more than what some people would like, especially when retailers are pushing to sell products that can actually sell, exceptionally well, especially in high volumes. I'm NOT here to tell you that you are not entitled to your preferences and that you should go buy one (people are entitled to their own decisions in purchasing what they want, at least in most countries...), but it seems like to me, (reverse psychology makes) you want to try and whine about decently to well-made products, as failed products just because you dislike marketing and that KWA trades aren't good for your collecting.

FYI. The Acrylic writing was on the AK ERG prototypes and was never on the AK GBBR prototypes. KWA will probably NOT use the Acrylic writing on their AK ERGs, anyways. Prototypes are prototypes, not final production models...

Edited by greatwatermelon, 22 July 2012 - 10:06 AM.

[WhiteHawksan]

They could just get someone in russia to translate KWA, City of Industry, CA into Cyrillic or (acrlic oh how your autocorrect made me lol there ) It's hardly an epic expense to have it translated.

[greatwatermelon]

They could just get someone in russia to translate KWA, City of Industry, CA into Cyrillic or (acrlic oh how your autocorrect made me lol there ) It's hardly an epic expense to have it translated.

Would sound like a good idea until you realize that America's first language isn't Russian and cyrillic certainly would not be the second.

[WhiteHawksan]

Not really, if the trades aren't 'authentic' then people generally don't care so long as they're not hideous, and small cyrillic on a russian weapon is hardly intrusive, also cyrillic is the name for the russian symbol alphabet not a language