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[DrAlexanderTobacco]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/07/19/izhmash-ak-74m-airsoft-rifle/

Pretty cool if this is the case! I'm not aware of any RS firearms companies that have done this before. I want one!

[ninja master of coffee]

Well, supposedly real sword are part of norinco, which accounts for why they're such good build quality and dimensionally accurate. It looks from that page that they use a lot of genuine parts and will be dimensionally accurate. I do wonder about price, maybe this is a way of using up the masses of spare AK74M components now that the russian military isn't ordering anymore AK74Ms....

[howitzer]

If the quality is near that of Real Sword will definitely have to pick one up.

[aznriptide859]

Surprising a RS manufacturer would directly enter the airsoft market themselves.

I'm sure this will please AK fans eerywhere - hope they make other models too.

[WhiteHawksan]

Not all that surprising, with the drive for realism where can you get real parts cheaper than if you make them and they're surplus stock?

It says 1:1 dimensions, so possibly RealSwod or maybe their own gearbox inside... we'll have to see what comes of this!

[CKinnerley]

Would these be UK legal? I'm a bit dubious on that one.

I hate to ###### on the fire as I'd definitely buy an airsoft AK that's made from majority RS parts (particularly the receiver), just something that came to mind when I first saw the article a few days ago.

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

Would these be UK legal? I'm a bit dubious on that one.

I hate to ###### on the fire as I'd definitely buy an airsoft AK that's made from majority RS parts (particularly the receiver), just something that came to mind when I first saw the article a few days ago.

That's a good question. I think the crux of the issue would be whether the rifle could be realistically converted to fire real ammunition. My guess is no, as it's only the externals that have any resemblance. You'd have to completely strip out the internals to get it working. External parts don't make a firearm, it's the internals that do.

[renegadecow]

The problem is that if it had a significant amount of real parts (except for the barrel of course) it can be considered a reactivated firearm, even if it's now slinging plastic bbs. Easiest way is for them to deny it and simply say the receivers and parts are built from scratch purposefully for airsoft guns.

[CKinnerley]

The problem is that if it had a significant amount of real parts (except for the barrel of course) it can be considered a reactivated firearm, even if it's now slinging plastic bbs. Easiest way is for them to deny it and simply say the receivers and parts are built from scratch purposefully for airsoft guns.

Indeed, from my knowledge of the laws, that was my concern. As you say, even if it's just shooting BBs now that's still classed as reactivated, and that is a big old no-no.

Depends a lot on which parts of the original live firing rifle they actually use I'd imagine.

[Utty]

Very interesting. At the end of the day, I'd still rather get a VFC, though. I might reconsider if the outer barrel on the Izhmash is pinned (and if the design and price are otherwise sound).

[Rob15]

Indeed, from my knowledge of the laws, that was my concern. As you say, even if it's just shooting BBs now that's still classed as reactivated, and that is a big old no-no.

That does make me wonder though, can it be classed as reactivated if it was never manufactured as a live firearm in the first place?

[aznriptide859]

That would depend on how many parts of the gun came from a live-firing one, correct?

On a side note I just realize - there would no longer be a need for people to put RS parts on this gun, since it is mostly RS!

Edited by aznriptide859, 19 July 2012 - 05:12 PM.

[CKinnerley]

That does make me wonder though, can it be classed as reactivated if it was never manufactured as a live firearm in the first place?

Well it's an interesting one for sure. I actually saw a separate news article on a RS blog site a few days even before I saw the one in the OP and that piece gave me the distinct impression they were trying to use up some of the millions of fully constructed rifles they've pointlessly built that are just gathering dust by converting them over.

I could well be totally wrong, but even if that were the case they probably wouldn't publicly admit to it so who knows eh?

[Danke]

We had a boatload of AK-47 BB guns dock this spring in Canada.

All was going well till someone noticed they were built on real receivers and then music started and they got rounded up.

It for sure would be no fly here if they built them out of actual firearm parts.

[DFM56]

I'm not holding out any hope of these being cheap. A similar model from Arsenal would cost $1,300. It might be a bit cheaper because all of the parts are made in Russia (Arsenal uses some US parts because of ###### laws and such) and there shouldn't be any labor required in the US to assemble anything, but you're still getting mostly the same parts. Sure, it's missing the BCG and FCG, but I wouldn't be surprised if those cost less to produce than a full gearbox after R&D and smaller production runs for the airsoft specific parts.

Also, if these receivers are dimensionally accurate (as in, real receivers with no guide rails installed) I can see these running into a bit of trouble with the ATF. It would take a decent amount of work to convert it depending on what izmash does to the parts (I seriously hope they're smart enough to not drill the FCG pin holes and mill the locking lugs off of the trunnion) but the ATF is pretty retarded and I can see them making a knee-jerk reaction similar to the GBBR m4 incident. All it takes is for one of their agents to try to put a mag in backwards and the whole agency will do anything to unrustle their jimmies.

Edited by DFM56, 19 July 2012 - 06:42 PM.

[Joseph Porta]

Izhmash have made and sold CO2 ak74`s for years, also blank fire and straight pull bolt conversions for the UK rifle market, the also make and sell civilian versions of the semi auto segia combat shotgun, even a UK legal spec. they have always followed the demand

i still own a Makarov real steel to Co2 conversion by the real steel factory at Bikal, totally legal, as the conversion removes and replaces the 9mm barrel and the firing pin.


it was only a matter of time for airsoft,
also the quality of the c02`s was REAL STEEL QUALITY ,, they wont be cheap

[Panoptes]

If the flash hider is 'real steel' (and can fit to a real AK) the flash hider alone will make it a Section 5 item in the UK.

[screwdriver]

i also have the real steel co2 conversion makerov as above ,solid steel the only plastic being the grips.
i also own a co2 izhmash yunker3 which is made in the factory from real parts and has the trigger mech /and blowback removed and a welded unremovable 4.5mm smoothbore barrel fitted .
co2 and bb,s are stored inside a real modified magazine and the guns sold for £199 at the time marketed through umarex and js ramsbottom.
russmilitary had them on his website.

Edited by screwdriver, 19 July 2012 - 10:03 PM.

[3vi1-D4n]

Hmm...Most 7.62mm barrels use 14mm+ve which is compatible with most airsoft 14mm+ve flash hiders.

How do I know? I fitted a steel airsoft krinkov flashhider onto my Real steel and works fine.




And I don't know if the Real sword is from norinco. There are a many differences from the real sword to the norinco, and also the real sword front sight tools aren't compatible with the norinco.

Edited by 3vi1-D4n, 19 July 2012 - 10:07 PM.

[screwdriver]

the yunker bb conversion uses a 14mm cw thread same as my cyma ,both flashiders are steel, yunker being rs.

with regards to norinco the reviews ive read say their gear is dire quality and they make possibly the worst quality ak,s on the market so i hope realsword arnt tied up with them.