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[farrasdevell]

So any thoughts on what looks like a distinctly systema/ctw type affair on the desk infront of WE?
Found this in RATech's photos. Any thoughts

[CKinnerley]

Could that not just be one of their GBB AR-15s? I've never looked at the underside of the bolt from one of them but it seems to have a buffer unit in the tube there.

[johnc2k]

They posted a video with more detail:

[SilentTank]

Wow that raptor gun was quite attractive.

[CKinnerley]

Not too far from an ICS then?

[Isamu]

So, nothing new under the sun... will wait for these instead



More features, competitive price, and made in the EU

[NeoVeNoM]

So, nothing new under the sun... will wait for these instead

More features, competitive price, and made in the EU

Sorry but every time someone says made in EU, I take e few steps backwards.
There is a reason why Audi says "made in Germany", and not "made in Europe".

I have seen it at IWA and also opened it.
Must say it's nice but not that special. Plus, it's been 7 months, where is it?
Same for their Scorpion V3, no signs like it's dead, which is commercially not a good strategy.

Just my opinion off course.

But this WE is a very good idea they have come up with. even if its 95% stolen.

[bOp]

Nice idea, wonder if it's proprietary to WE receivers. I can see a PTW style system which is accessible to the mass now causing a bit of abuse - envisage a lot of kids etc. popping out a cylinder and changing it over during a game to something hotter...? Maybe not?

Edited by bOp, 11 August 2012 - 11:12 PM.

[Horsem4n]

Neovenom, airsoft systems said that they are shooting for a summer 2013 release, thats why its not out yet. and why mention the skorpion? AS has nothing to do with it. Its a very special gun though. it has every feature of a PTW sans the thin grip, but still uses most all V2 gearbox parts. this WE is close to it, but it doesnt have bolt stop and an electronic trigger is to be seen, so its very inferior to the AS.

[SteevoLS]

If the receivers are solid then I would love to pick one of these up to allow me to cull my collection of ARs down a bit. Never been a big fan of ICS build quality, and since this takes standard internals internal quality is a moot point. That having been said, I wonder...

- Will we be able to use standard pistons and piston heads?
- Will the gearbox shell accept aftermarket trigger assemblies like the ASCU?

If I can drop a PTW-esque trigger in the shell, I'll gladly sell my Systema.

Edited by SteevoLS, 11 August 2012 - 11:55 PM.

[CKinnerley]

After watching that video on the Airsoft Systems.. can't see any reason to buy the WE other than perhaps budget constraints (that's if there ends up being much of a difference). It seems pretty much all WE have done is made an ICS that'll perhaps have more compatibility with some after market parts. No recoil, blowback or bolt lock, no mention of any sort of 'fet or other electronics, no guarantee it'll be built to a decent standard either.

Every coin has two sides of course. Changing the spring in a V2 is a *Ubar* of a job I've found, at least if you're not doing it often and you don't have the practice or the handy little tools that a well established mech might do. Does look like it may (if built well) be a good option for building an AR to your own tastes with a wide availability of parts and easy changing of FPS levels for folks that need to do that. Not that there aren't weapons out there which already do that, but more options never hurt anyone.

I'd still go for other options over this myself though I think. TM SOPMOD family for the firing experience, or wait for the Airsoft Systems for a legacy-compatible AEG with the bolt lock. Even better, wait for the Real Sword EBBRs... if they ever show up that is.

[Isamu]

Neovenom: Horseman summed it all perfectly, thanks mate.

The only advantages WE has is that it will be released soon, looks like it would fit a regular m4 body aaaaand... sorry forgot the third :S

[adadqgg]

Typical WE; re-inventing wheel in name of innovation.

[NeoVeNoM]

Neovenom, airsoft systems said that they are shooting for a summer 2013 release, thats why its not out yet. and why mention the skorpion? AS has nothing to do with it. Its a very special gun though. it has every feature of a PTW sans the thin grip, but still uses most all V2 gearbox parts. this WE is close to it, but it doesnt have bolt stop and an electronic trigger is to be seen, so its very inferior to the AS.

When did they say that? the info I received from ASG in March was totally different. They also told me AS developed the skorpion V3.
In any case the gearbox at the IWA 2012 in their M4 had the same lay-out as an ICS gearbox, except for the electronics.

When it comes to inferior, probably yes. but so far all electronic triggers I have used have broken down. be it the ASCU or AWS.
NO answer from either of them. But that's how things role in Airsoftland.

[cazboab]

It seems pretty much all WE have done is made an ICS that'll perhaps have more compatibility with some after market parts.

The only ICS parts that aren't compatible are the receiver, gearbox shell and hop unit, and the hop unit can be made compatible by grinding down the bar across the top of the mag well, so really WE haven't done a lot of work in that area either.

[NeoVeNoM]

The only ICS parts that aren't compatible are the receiver, gearbox shell and hop unit, and the hop unit can be made compatible by grinding down the bar across the top of the mag well, so really WE haven't done a lot of work in that area either.

lets be honest, same goes for any other airsoft company out there that builds conventional AEG's.

[Stuey]

Did anyone notice the product he briefly brought up at the start of the video? The M4 GBB midcap double mag? Looks pretty cool, and if you read the comments they say they're bringing them out for all their GBB rifles!

Edited by Stuey, 12 August 2012 - 03:06 PM.

[worstbullet]

Might look into these if they are good. I have always thought the split gear box is neat.

[Zombie00]

lets be honest, same goes for any other airsoft company out there that builds conventional AEG's.

Yeah, but none of them act as they have come up with something innovative.

[Horsem4n]

Neo, at the end of the iwa video above, they mention that they are shooting for next summer, more than a year from then.

i have my doubts that a company as big as AWS can develop and manufacture 2 guns at the same time. ASG may have flubbed there, but that's just my opinion. It would be interesting to find that they would be behind it.

I do agree with the unreliable nature of the electronic triggers currently available. My first gen raptor died, but I never bothered to follow up with a warranty claim. However, I have installed about a dozen ASCU2s into other peoples guns and they havnt complained about them burning out yet, so.
Also, AWS is reorganizing under a new name and bringing out a mosfet similar to the ASCU, but with greatly more customizable fire control and its based off of Extreme Fire's 2N design for greater reliability.

Edited by Horsem4n, 12 August 2012 - 06:04 PM.