Inq Eisenhorn Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 So, you've lost count of the amount of "What's the best gun" or "what's your favourite gun" type threads.....and to be honest, this is similar but with a twist. So, the scenario: Airsoft ownership is now heavily regulated and controlled in your country, to the extent that you're allowed literally one primary and one backup. Mags and sundries are no problem, but conversion parts are now very illegal, so in essence what you buy, is what you got, end of story. Right, so, tell me what off the shelf rifles / pistols you're gonna buy, remember, they can't be upgraded, so WYSWYG. Also, tell me why you're buying that gun, have you found the holy grail of airsoft or are you just plain mad. Let the games begin. Link to post Share on other sites
Robinio Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 PTS Masada or a G&P M4... Link to post Share on other sites
stewpidbear Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 TM 416 and a TM GBB Pistol Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 My thinking is above all my choices have to be versatile. I need to be able to use them in all weathers, all scenarios - everything. That discounts gas-in-mag GBBrs (my favourite platforms) because they just aren't reliable enough at the moment, especially in inclement weather. It discounts extremely heavy or long weapons (too unwieldy for CQB) and bolt-actions and semi-automatics (too restrictive for woodland). I'd consider a Polar Star for their extreme versatility, tunability and reliability but they don't have recoil (something I don't want to do without). The Daytonagun system doesn't come preinstalled in any off-the-shelf gun, at least as far as I know, plus I can get recoil from an EBB without my gun having to be attached to me with a lead. So, my choices are: Tokyo Marui HK416D: No doubt about it, this out of the box the best recoil AEG around. I'd have this over the other Recoil Shock guns for its ambidextrous selector and the included LiPo adatper. The only primary with the flexibility to succeed at CQB, woodland, MOUT - close and intermediate range, where most shooting occurs - is an assault rifle. The HK416 is a modern design with plenty of rail space for whatever I need and it has the all-important Marui accuracy. However, if it comes out in time, my choice will be what I reckon will be the ultimate recoil AEG in terms of construction and performance - the EBB RealSword Colt M4A1. Airsoft Surgeon Infinity Carry Pistol: This has all the upgrades I want installed as factory, including a steel chassis for weight, aluminium slide, grips and barrel for ruggedness, and all the internal upgrades. The Hi-Capa platform is renowned for its reliability and its big gas reservoir; high quality magazines are available from ProWin and I expect CO2 versions to arrive eventually. It's a flexible weapon in that with a C-More or Trijicon RMR I could use it as a racegun, and enhance its performance as a secondary and as a primary in pistol-only matches. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 tm g36c - not sure about pistols - are hfc m190s still good? Link to post Share on other sites
TnL Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 WE XDm, or a TM XDm if metal slides can still be bought, XDm is by far the nicest pistol I've ever used, ergonomically that is some gas rifle for primary, doesnt matter I'll rarely use it, just no sewing machines, If I had to choose, it'd be a WE M14 Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Systema ptw m4, TM 4.3 hi cappa. the primary was a hard choice between a ptw and a tm m4 recoil. so hard to choose :-P. the secondary, easy choice, i own one and it rolls like a train all day every day :-D Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 TM 416 + G17. There's probably slightly more accurate/longer ranging electric guns but if you can't do any upgrades then those are going to be what I'd go with OOTB. Unless it's a case of it being an extremely long/difficult process to replace parts when the guns eventually have issues, in which case it'd be a real sword Type 56 for the primary. Watched some Scandinavian girl on YouTube doing a torture test one one of those a while back and I don't reckon there's a tougher airsoft gun in existence. Link to post Share on other sites
Leon Kennedy Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 TM 416 or SCAR-H + TM Night Warrior. Great all around. I'd run one now if I had the cash! Link to post Share on other sites
Philbucknall Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 G&P M4 RIS and a WE M&P. I've had easily a dozen G&P M4 variants and love them. Dependable and easy to use in woodland or urban scenarios. The M&P is just so damn nice to shoot and so pointable too so that's me. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 TM P90 and a TM pistol of some sort, hell, might even go for an aep of some sort (MP7 or M11/M10 forget which mac is an aep). Link to post Share on other sites
Kenworth W900 Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 A tough question... Tokyo Marui M14 Olive Drab & Tokyo Marui Glock 17 Link to post Share on other sites
Curly68 Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 PTS Masada or TM recoil and my TM XDM best GBB pistol I have had. Link to post Share on other sites
Baddbaz Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Real sword dragunov no mods needed , its that good out of the box Kwa m93 r . If not the dragunov , any real sword assault rifle . Ak , 97/ 97b . Built to last a lifetime .. Link to post Share on other sites
Sallinen Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 What if you already have the guns but you have to give away everything else than the said 1 primary and secondary? In said case, I would keep my Guarder AKS74U with daytonagun internals and KJW MEU with flush co2 mags. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 mate, that sounds awfully like the situation in spain... not so restricted, but having a lot of guns is a PITA and I have made myself the same question. If I had to use only a gun, it would probably be an ICS M4 lower with several uppers and a KJW 1911 CO2 version as a backup. Its an affordable duo which can be upgraded and with plenty of spares to improve performance. Link to post Share on other sites
Inari Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 It is always difficult to narrow it down beyond a certain point, or at least it is for me. I am interested in airsoft for a multitude of reasons, and skirmishing is only but a part of it. There is also plinking/target shooting, the collection aspect, and customising/personalising and as such it makes it quite difficult. If I was to look at it from a purely practical point of view, I would go with the TM HK 416D Recoil series and a TM Beretta M9A1; being in Ireland I'm limited to <1j just the same as Japan, so the out of the box performance is literally perfect. However, if I was to look at from the plinking side of things, it'd be a different kettle of fish altogether; TM MP7A1 GBB and Inokatsu 1911 - both of which are easily the most fun guns to shoot. The Inokatsu 1911 is sublime - looks fantastic, shoots excellently and actually has something close to recoil. The MP7 on the other hand is laser-accurate, great feedback/recoil and just incredible fun...especially on full auto with a tracer unit! The collector in me would give it to the TopTech/G&G SIG 552 and the KSC Beretta M9; the full steel receiver of the SIG 552 is incredible, and the colouring of the furniture really adds to the overall appeal of the gun. Lockable bolt with strong spring means hitting the release gives a very satisfying and resounding 'clank' - lackluster rate of fire can be forgiven. The KSC M9 on the other hand is spot on for weight distribution which puts it over the TM M9A1 as far as look and feel goes, not to mention the complete lack of magazine rattle! Functioning decocker is a lovely touch, and adds to the authenticity of it. Given that my favourite pistol growing up was the Beretta M9, and favourite rifle in CS was the Krieg Commando...is it any surprise? Just depends on what aspect I find more appealing at the time! Link to post Share on other sites
TnL Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 well, to be honest, if my government started regulating what toy guns I can and can't have, I would just be a criminal, cause they can go to hell, I'm keeping all my guns Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 well, to be honest, if my government started regulating what toy guns I can and can't have, I would just be a criminal, cause they can go to hell, I'm keeping all my guns Been there done that. My question is: How much internal work can be done to make it worth while? Totally stock, or some mods allowed? Link to post Share on other sites
Kenworth W900 Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Loving the attitude there... Link to post Share on other sites
TnL Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Loving the attitude there... well I don't mean Ill start going out and shooting ppl or something, I just mean id be deemed one, cause I wouldn't start registering or turning in my guns, they have no right Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Right, so, tell me what off the shelf rifles / pistols you're gonna buy That is just so unfair for me. But if it came down to that: TOP Ultimate M16A1 Marushin Dual Maxi 1911A1 If it's down to 2 guns I'd spend the rest of my money buying shells by the bucket. Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 PolarStar PR-15 Carbine Sheriff steel 1911 Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 well I don't mean Ill start going out and shooting ppl or something, I just mean id be deemed one, cause I wouldn't start registering or turning in my guns, they have no right I can understand why a government wants to restrict access to real guns as they have potential to cause harm, and as a tool to bypass the proper social/legal regulatory processes which govern the growth and decay of society. But as soon as they restrict access to toys, or arbitrarily set criteria on what is considered a weapon, then there is something either fundamentally wrong with the country, or the lawmakers are clueless fear driven tw4ts, or both. But thats not really the discussion for here. Off the shelf: For the modern look, the newer Marui M4 SOPMOD/HK416 looks to be the solid multi-role platform to go with. Otherwise the Marui AK74MN seems to also be a good contender, but these offerings, even though they are well build, shoots fantastic, they are too low powered and unsuitable for countries with less FPS restrictions. For the classic look, the Marui Thompson with 20rnd mags. Accurate, solidly built, and tough as war machines. For a gas rifle, it would be the old Tanaka KAR98K. For a Modern pistol, it would be a Marui M9A1 even though the KSC M9 is higher power, the marui would be more accurate without mods. For a classic pistol, it would be a Maruzen P38. Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted April 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Guys, guys, guys....the govt. Thing was just a scenario plot line to give the question a context. I see the TM HK416 getting some love. Have they been released in the UK yet? I also notice a lot of places selling the TM SOPMOD with no trades, anyone have any idea what's going on? Link to post Share on other sites
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