neilgoth1974 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Is the hinge area wher the folding stock locks on made of metal? On the DBoys SCAR users in the Philippines that part is the common area of breakage since it's made of plastic. Heard it uses an A&K gearbox, how about the plastic hop unit? Does it use the proprietary A&K hop rubber or would any aftermarket hop rubbers be used? Other than that looks like a good performer after some tweaks... though the longer than normal airseal nozzle would look like it will be the culprit for airleaks. Link to post Share on other sites
Pariah_WP Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I am SO waiting for the Magpul offical guns to come out. I have one question: I am hearing rumors that MagpulPTS is releasing their aeg and that it will have an M4 grip/lower, really large charging handle in a new position and lacking iron sights. Magz, do you or anyone else know if this is true and if so why? The Masada grip is too sweet and it better have iron sights! Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I am SO waiting for the Magpul offical guns to come out. I have one question: I am hearing rumors that MagpulPTS is releasing their aeg and that it will have an M4 grip/lower, really large charging handle in a new position and lacking iron sights. Magz, do you or anyone else know if this is true and if so why? The Masada grip is too sweet and it better have iron sights! Thanks! Where did you hear that from? I heard nothing of the sort from Magpul PTS. Also, as far as lacking iron sights, i doubt it since there is a build in flip up in the front. The gun MAY not come with a rear simply because they want you to purchase their MBUS's but thats pure speculation, i have no information in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites
ianhaz Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Holy ###### did someone say FMG-9? Awww yeaah cant wait for that one! Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Well I am just going to wait it out and see, and buy when it finally hits the shelves. Every other Magpul product I own is simple in design and ergonomics, which makes it so brilliant. I do hope they will do something with the PDR. an AEP or GBB maybe? Link to post Share on other sites
Pariah_WP Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 An old friend of mine was at a pretty exclusive shooting range when he spotted what he thought was a SCAR at first. He said it turned out to be Bushmaster. He is where I heard the rumor that the ACR had the M4 grip and had modified (and enlarged) the charging handle. I really hope this isn't true. I REALLY REALLY hope this isn't true, but usually what this bloke tells me about what he is seeing comes out. That scares me. I like the Masada and ACR I have seen. I really hope this was some frankinprototype. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 An old friend of mine was at a pretty exclusive shooting range when he spotted what he thought was a SCAR at first. He said it turned out to be Bushmaster. He is where I heard the rumor that the ACR had the M4 grip and had modified (and enlarged) the charging handle. I really hope this isn't true. I REALLY REALLY hope this isn't true, but usually what this bloke tells me about what he is seeing comes out. That scares me. I like the Masada and ACR I have seen. I really hope this was some frankinprototype. that doesn't sound like the ACR at all. the pic i saw from shot makes it look about the same as last year. Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 The ACR that was at shot show 2009 is the same one that was at the show in 2008. Having said that, the rifle IS being modified but the basic design elements will stay the same. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 ah thanks mags for clearing that up, but that still doesn't sound like the ACR with the M4 grip Link to post Share on other sites
Pariah_WP Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Thank God almighty and the level heads at both Magpul and Bushmaster. OK. I am real happy now! Do want! Link to post Share on other sites
tcl Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Magpul PTS MASADA/ACR is on the way. More good news coming. Please be patient. It is four month pass... Is the shipment still on the half way from Mars? He means the ACM version= more then likely ABS for the plastics, and the Magpul PTS version= probably Polymer like in their Pmags. I think its called Dupont polymer? I am sorry! The MIC Masada's upper are aluminum CNC and lower are made by polymer. That is almost close as real Masada use. Sorry! I get to get one first, can't wait.... and will buy the Magpul PTS Masada after it out. Link to post Share on other sites
kodiak22 Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I am sorry! The MIC Masada's upper are aluminum CNC and lower are made by polymer. That is almost close as real Masada use. Sorry! I get to get one first, can't wait.... and will buy the Magpul PTS Masada after it out. maybe you should check when i posted that, back then it wasnt out, and we had crappy pictures. Link to post Share on other sites
Spooky Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Hi, Anyone has news about the rest of the ACM stock? I can't imagine that only 30 pieces has been made. Regards, PS: There also French fan of the Masada Link to post Share on other sites
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Mike_West Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hi, Anyone has news about the rest of the ACM stock? I can't imagine that only 30 pieces has been made. Thanks to Magpul PTS and some Azkrak the Barbarian who shall remain nameless thanks to my bad memory, the ACM Masada is considered counterfeit goods and subject to confiscation if anyone admits he has it in his stock. So either they're in some dump after being repeatedly run over by a steamroller, or stuck in a Guangdong warehouse with their future unclear. Link to post Share on other sites
Pariah_WP Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Thanks for the news, Mike! I was wondering what was going on with this. Any word from Magpul itself on THEIR AEG? Link to post Share on other sites
Victory Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Thanks to Magpul PTS and some Azkrak the Barbarian who shall remain nameless thanks to my bad memory, the ACM Masada is considered counterfeit goods and subject to confiscation if anyone admits he has it in his stock. So either they're in some dump after being repeatedly run over by a steamroller, or stuck in a Guangdong warehouse with their future unclear. Pretty sure his username was "A3" on a different forum...not 100% sure, though. -Vic Link to post Share on other sites
Spartan452 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 So magpul can actually force ACM producers to stop selling the "counterfeit" Masada? Then what stops HK or Colt and FN from stopping every other company like TM, G&P to stop selling replicas and then making it so that only cybergun can produce their weapons? Also couldn't the ACM producers call it something different and then sell it? I mean from what i hear the proportions and stuff are off, and essentially it was an original ACM design since the ACM producers didn't have a real masada to copy it part per part... It just looks like a masada but it really isn't a masada... Car companies like KIA and Hyundai do it all the time.... The hyundai genesis looks like a G37 but it really isn't a G37... Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Thanks to Magpul PTS and some Azkrak the Barbarian who shall remain nameless thanks to my bad memory, the ACM Masada is considered counterfeit goods and subject to confiscation if anyone admits he has it in his stock. So either they're in some dump after being repeatedly run over by a steamroller, or stuck in a Guangdong warehouse with their future unclear. Most likely the latter of the two. I'd be shocked if they made anything less than 500 units in the first production run. And they probably need to sell at least that many to make their R&D money back. Chances are the ACM company probably lost a lot of money on this deal. Just having the rifles sitting in boxes and not being sold to retailers and distributors is probably costing them as the finances they invested in the project are all tied up in those rifles. The same probably goes for the ACM UBR. So magpul can actually force ACM producers to stop selling the "counterfeit" Masada? Then what stops HK or Colt and FN from stopping every other company like TM, G&P to stop selling replicas and then making it so that only cybergun can produce their weapons? Also couldn't the ACM producers call it something different and then sell it? I mean from what i hear the proportions and stuff are off, and essentially it was an original ACM design since the ACM producers didn't have a real masada to copy it part per part... It just looks like a masada but it really isn't a masada... Car companies like KIA and Hyundai do it all the time.... The hyundai genesis looks like a G37 but it really isn't a G37... The reason why Magpul has so much power in this compared to other real steel manufacturers is because Magpul PTS is based in Hong Kong and is working within the Hong Kong and China legal system to prevent the sales and distribution from happening. Most real steel companies don't have that kind of legal knowledge in order to attack that kind of copyright infringement. The most they usually do is ensure that it isn't sold or distributed within the US where the vast majority of their target consumer resides. As for renaming the Masada something else and getting away with it, that's not going to cut it. The standard M4 and AK design/aesthetic has been reproduced enough times by other real steel companies that the "look" of those guns have somewhat fallen into the realm of public domain. Cybergun can't stop people from making and selling a M4 or AK AEG... but they can stop people from branding that M4 with Colt trademarks and selling it in countries where the copyright is enforceable. That's why most M4s you can find at US retailers have had their logos/trademarks "altered" before importing it. However, occasionally Cybergun will license an Airsoft manufacturer to be able to use the Colt markings (like ICS and King Arms). Back to the Masada, the overall aesthetic still falls under the intellectual property ruling as it's "look" does not fall into public domain. While the Hyundai Genesis looks extremely similar to the G37, in order for Hyundai to get away with it, a certain percentage of the Genesis' overall design has to be different from the G37. Looking similar is one thing. A direct copy based on photos is another. This has all been rehashed so many times now. No matter which side of the argument you believe in, in the end, either the ACM Masada will or won't come out. No amount of bitching and whining on this or any other forum will change that. Magpul PTS are going to keep trying to do what they believe is in their best interests and within their legal right. Nothing said here is going to change that. Link to post Share on other sites
Aitch Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 They can be bought if you know who to ask, but after seeing them in Pics I'm not too keen now, that and I just won new G&G blowback GR16 from AirsoftWorld yay for armalite #5, thank god it's a free one albeit I may still buy one of these Masada if my cat decides he doesn't need the vet again, £110 last week, that's almost a new gun Link to post Share on other sites
Spartan452 Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Thanks to Magpul PTS and some Azkrak the Barbarian who shall remain nameless thanks to my bad memory, the ACM Masada is considered counterfeit goods and subject to confiscation if anyone admits he has it in his stock. So either they're in some dump after being repeatedly run over by a steamroller, or stuck in a Guangdong warehouse being rebranded by Magpul PTS with a price tag costing twice as much as the original because all Magpul PTS can do is put up *suitcasey* airsoft training videos. Sorry i'm just pretty angry that Magpul PTS is pulling this *suitcase* against the ACMs... I mean if they actually had their Masada out and then the ACM copied it and resold it for cheap, I wouldn't feel so bad for PTS. Btw I just gotta say i'm not too fond of clones, infact I really hated it when the JG HK416 came out and all these noobs ran around with them and it made my VFC 416 feel unspecial, but what Magpul PTS is pulling is just not right... Link to post Share on other sites
Praying Mantis Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 ACM Masada was just arrived in my country(thailand) yesterday and the price is about $150-160 Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Whining. You're coming across as nothing more than a child with statements like that. Either have some patience or dont. If you want a Masada that bad track down one of these ACM monstrosities otherwise sit back, take a tall drink of quiet down and wait for the PTS version which will no doubt be well worth the wait. Some times you cant have what you want when you want it. Link to post Share on other sites
Aitch Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 A source told me that these "monstrosities" are built off the designs PTS are using (speculative), it does seem odd with no access to a real Masada that they managed to produce this so quick and from the looks accurately ? I guess we'll know when the PTS release appears as it surely must be in production if they plan on a summer release (yeah yeah ) It is also annoying that no other weapon manufacturer gives a *suitcase* about airsoft manufacturers copying their stuff, I personally think Magpul USA need to kick PTS to the kerb and concentrate on what they do and leave the Airsoft sector to itself, atleast their schematics might be safer in their own hands ? Link to post Share on other sites
1st Commando Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Am I the only one thinking there is a possibility that the cheapsoft version was a product that was supposed to be made for sale by PTS and that the only reason PTS threw toys from the pram is because the company that were making them for them put some out through other distributors rather than exclusively through them ? I hope it gives PTS the much over due kick up the *albatross* to actually make and release something they have promised for years as they do have a habit of announcing a new product and then it never sees light of day Link to post Share on other sites
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