snorkelman Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 couple of folks in UK have asked me for details on a basic CO2 rig so heres photos of it going together regulator itself is a palmers female stabilizer that you'll need to source from palmers pursuits in the states https://palmer-pursuit.com/ecom/product_inf...123866450338144 take the +10 dollars 0-250PSI (300 PSI max) option regulator plus option plus shipping should work out around 110 to 120 dollars (60 to 70 quid) you can screw the regulator straigth onto your CO2 bottle bottle itself buy in the UK theres loads of places sell them (you'll want a pi marked bottle to alow you to legally have it refilled without any hissing and spitting and gnashing of teeth that you could get if you turn up with an empty DOT marked US bottle) If you want something small go with a 9oz botte, if you want something manly that'll last a bit longer between fills opt for a 20oz parts are from www.airlines-pneumatics.com which is a UK based company so no need to order abroad for the fiddly bits n bobs part number description price (all qty are 1 unless otherwise stated) 1 101012 LF3000 STUD 1/8" BSPP 6mm (x2) £1.30 each £2.60 2 103100 SERIES 21 COUPL 1/8" BSP FEM £4.23 3 101075 LF3000 STUD 1/8" BSP 6mm £2.10 (1 per gun) 4 103111 SERIES 21 PLUG 1/8" BSPP MALE £0.88 (1 per gun) 5 104204 POLY RECOIL 6x4mm 2M £2.46 (not shown in above photo) all prices are plus VAT and delivery quick detach for the regulator side of the rig screw parts 1 and 2 together (use white PTFE tape around the threads of part 1) quick detach for the gun side of the rig (again use white PTFE tape aroudn the threads before screwing together) gun and rig quick disconnects joined together the two of them are a push fit to lock together To release one from the other just pull back on the knurled part of the regulator quick disconnect and the gun quick disconnect plug will pop out. Dont mix them up the regulator one is designed so that the flow of air from the regulator will be cut off when the gun one is removed (so if you mix them up and fit the gun one on the regulator instead, the air will keep flowing when they are disconnected) regulator (palmers female stabilizer 0-300 PSI version) attached to the recoil hose (part 5 listed above) To attach the hose to the regulator use the remaining part 1 and screw it into the regulator elbow joint (again using PTFE tape for the threads) here we have the gun side quick disconnect plug attached to a sun project M16, these use a 6mm hose feeding directly out of the gun which is a straigth push fit into the gun side quick disconnect some guns have a 6mm push fitting to hook air into the gun for those you just need to cut a short piece of 6mm hose once thats done you just fit it same as you would for the SP an alternative would be to use hosetail quick disconnects each part (regulator quick disconnect and gun quick diosconnect) is a one piece assembly, instead of the hose from gun or regulator pushing into them, each has a hosetail that pushes up inside the hose, the two quick discconects attach to each other in same maner as above (push to connect them pull back on the knurled band on the regulator side one to pop the gun one back out) the advantage of those are theres less parts and you have a smaller junction between the hosse fromt he gun and the hose from the regulator. the downside is they're easier to work loose and place more strain on the hoses having an inch long spike shoved up into each hose. On the opposite side of the palmers regulator from where the hose elbow screws on you can see a silver threaded section, you can remove this and fit a dial guage in its place (0 to 160 PSI, 0 to 300 PSI etc) again use PTFE tapre around the threads before screwing the dial guage in place. Alternately rig up a short piece of hose with the dial guage on one end and a gun side quick disconnect plug on the other, and plug that into the regulator instead of the gun. You can then set the output pressure on the regulator to whatever you want and then remove the dial guage (one less thing to get broken if your carying the rig around) disadvantage of doing it that way is you've no realtime monitor of the pressure while the gun is firing (to see if regulator is stalling etc when troubleshooting), or the ability to quickly change output pressure from 110 PSI to 70 PSI if swapping guns etc, without first hooking the dial guage back up. stevie Link to post Share on other sites
orca Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 nice post snorkel +1 Link to post Share on other sites
Garibaldi Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Great job ! I have my order from airlines-pneumatics on the post. By the way Snorkelman, where do you refill your CO2 bottles ? I have heard it was quite difficult to have it done in the UK (or that it became more difficult lately)... PS: sorry for necro-posting, but as Snorkel is still around, I thought it might be more useful than creating a new topic. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted October 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 I only keep CO2 as a backup got a 9oz cylinder that gets filled from a larger tank thanks to freindly boozer at corner of the street (around here sourcing CO2 is a major pita) Guide is interchangable between CO2 and HPa which is what I personally use (12litre 232 bar faber scubatank feeding a 0.7l 300 bar carbon wrap bottle) as local dive centre fills the scuba for 3 quid a throw. Link to post Share on other sites
Tommygunn Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Very helpful and interesting. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
Garibaldi Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Good, so I guess that for the bottle filling, now I just need a scuba cylinder and a refill station ? How much did you pay for yours ? I see A-clamps from £28 to £50, but they look absolutely the same... The most frustrating thing is having an Escort MP5 since July and not having been able to use it a single time. But I'm getting (slowly) there. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 top tip for anyone reading - always always nail down a source for reflling tank before buying one makes for a much less stresful life a-clamp 232 bar fitting (25 quid incl shipping to UK) <a href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Scuba-Yoke-Adapt...VQQcmdZViewItem" target="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Scuba-Yoke-Adapt...VQQcmdZViewItem</a> 300 bar din type fitting <a href="http://southwestpaintball.co.uk/pw/search.php?Category=49" target="_blank">http://southwestpaintball.co.uk/pw/search.php?Category=49</a> (50 quid) <a href="http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/880/mia/d/p...ion/pid/6140895" target="_blank">http://www.edirectory.co.uk/pf/880/mia/d/p...ion/pid/6140895</a> (60 quid) personally I use a faber 232bar 12 litre tank with adaptable MDE fitting (DIN with an insert for A-type use) I picked up from kent diving I removed the insert from and use as a DIN fitting onto a 300bar fill station pretty much identical to the southwest paintball one, If you want to stick with A-clamp fitting for the ebay listed fill station then just leave the insert in place If you're going to buy a tank might be worth checking with the dive centre you plan on using to fill it, unless they're a huge chunk o' change more to buy the tank fromthan internet based sellers then buying it from them migth be a good option (having let them know what you plan to use it for and confirmed they will fill it before handing over the dough lol). that way you've given em a little more custom and got a foot in the door as it were. If their price is well over the top just confirm they'll fill the damn things and buy one online Faber 12 litre £120 <a href="http://www.divelife.co.uk/product_info.php...products_id=428" target="_blank">http://www.divelife.co.uk/product_info.php...products_id=428</a> these guys seem to offer a 100 free fills voucher with it which is great if you're near them in manchester not much use if you live else where (Ive seen the 12litre fabers as cheap as £109 that was first decent priced example that came to hand so worth a google or two if not planning on buying locally) you can get 12g co2 caplet adapters that screw onto the palmers (Ive got one knocking around somewhere) will give you 100 to 150 rounds if you're easy on the trigger only trouble is its an order from palmers part (would have been an ideal thing to buy at same time as the palmers stabilizer as you could have fired off a few test shots etc while waiting on the scuba to arrive) If you need any info on prepping/checking the MP5 ahead of first firing if its brand new rather than pre-owned just let me know Link to post Share on other sites
maxxxmonster Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 you guys should use compressed air its so much more consistent. theyre much more expensive but its well worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Havent had a problem with C02 so far, done bursts that emptied a 100 round mag with the high rof spring and its dandy. The palmers regs are top notch if you keep them up, which is just regular oiling. Not to mention you should get alot less shots from hpa, and the tank is more cumbersome and harder to place on a vest. Nice guide snorkelman!!! Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted October 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 you guys should use compressed air its so much more consistent. theyre much more expensive but its well worth it. aye is why I wrote "Guide is interchangable between CO2 and HPa which is what I personally use" Havent had a problem with C02 so far, done bursts that emptied a 100 round mag with the high rof spring and its dandy. The palmers regs are top notch if you keep them up, which is just regular oiling. Not to mention you should get alot less shots from hpa, and the tank is more cumbersome and harder to place on a vest. Agreed palmers and escort systems are a great combo Ive even run the MG42 off of a 12gram CO2 caplet with no issues (around 70 to 80 rounds on auto) to be honest in the UK ease of supply is as much a consideration as anything else when it comes to choosing which propellant to use. In some areas you can still pick up CO2 refilling relatively easily in others HPa is going to be a lot less of a probelm to source. Way things are going Id see HPa being pretty much the primary option within next couple of years over here. I use a small kevlar wrap bottle (0.7l /45cu inch) which does the job provided you dont go crazy on auto. Id reckon bottom line for UK players is really to check which of the two is most readily available locally - before laying out money on a rig that might prove the opposite of what you can actually get filled Link to post Share on other sites
Garibaldi Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 If you need any info on prepping/checking the MP5 ahead of first firing if its brand new rather than pre-owned just let me know I took my time but I'm almost all set with the rig My MP5 being brand new, what shall I do before its first test ? Link to post Share on other sites
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