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[nicktheww2fanatic]

they have one out...for sale!

http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=2640

[Chris North]

Cloners!


I wonder if the design is any different. I can't see what could be changed, but...

The AI plastic adapter is also supposed to be stronger than the old metal one, which is quite understandable.

[Magsz]

I dont know if ASGI wrote that description or if madbull did but wow, BOTH companies are jackasses.

I love how they flat out make ###### up like the fact that the AI plastic propane adapter cant stand the temperatures of liquid green gas so it cracks...Puhlease...

Madbull is TWO steps behind AI. First off, they failed to come out with the worlds first propane adapter and secondly, AI just recently switched from metal to plastic for some very valid reasons.

Sheesh, what a bunch of sheisters. I cant stand sensational advertising, its almost like you're insulting your customers intelligence.

Edited by Magsz, 18 August 2007 - 06:35 AM.

[sekiryu]

What "valid" reasons made them change from metal to plastic? My metal one (and everyone elses around town) is fine.

[Magsz]

Mine is fine too but plastic is cheaper which means the customer saves money. (AI probably makes more money off of the plastic ones too)

Plastic will also bend before it breaks then return to shape.

Ive broken a metal nozzle on one of my propane adapters after the tank was dropped by a friend onto dirt.

I had to scrap the adapter. After bending it back as close to its original shape as i could, it still failed to operate properly.

Id have to say those are pretty "valid" reasons...

[Pariah_WP]

The newer plastic adapter is great. It is pretty tough. I don't know about the metal adapter snapping, as I never dropped ours, but the plastic one does indeed flex quit a lot. I won't intentionally drop it, but I bet it would take it in stride. As for cracking...we will just have to wait and see. We did 11 TM HiCapa mags in a row with it and it did just fine.

Did I mention I live in Hawaii where going from hot-to-cold-and-back-again is pretty much the norm? Well it is. Hasn't cracked or shattered.

Edited by Pariah_WP, 18 August 2007 - 07:07 AM.

[Magsz]

I see that ASGI is reading this thread...cant wait for their response.

[pokethepope]

How come AI didnt patent the design?

[snowman]

I wonder if anyone's going to do a Madbull Vs AI comparison test?

I haven't tried out the AI plastic adaptor yet, but Carl's rationale seems reasonable.

A plastic nozzle will probably give a better seal (the only issue I've had with an older metal AI adaptor is that it doesn't always seal as well as I'd like to all mags) as well as having a bit of give for minor knocks and drops.

Still, interesting to see someone else exploring this market - I guess we can now, at last, all agree that Green Gas IS Propane!

Cheers.

[sekiryu]

I think AI did patent the design.

[evilliboba]

I think AI did patent the design.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And isn't Madbull the company that likes to respect patents and licenses? I won't buy the Madbull even though it is $2 cheaper. I'm going to buy the AI one (since my M1911 is working again) because it is proven to work and they are the people who designed the thing.

Then I go and buy clone AEGs. Call me a hypocrite... But I'm actually trying to stop buying cheapies as I have a job and can sort of afford the high end goodies.

[Mofomilitia]

AGI is my favorite website, but they really have a lot of blatant advertising.
my list includes:

TSD G36s claiming to be fiberglass when they are abs (high quality abs)

putting like scopes and silencers and all kinds of ###### on their pictures of custom guns and MPEGs (see: echo one full metal MP5) and then saying in little words: note: gun does not come with foregrip, aimpoint, or silencer.

the blatant advertising of the madbull adaptor which is pretty dirty, though they do sell both and it is $2 less..

they are still a ton better than sites like shortyusa, hobbytron, and even airsoft atlanta. however they really need to stop trying these rediculous advertising stunts to try and raise business of they are going to lose their credibility which they have built up and many people are going to stop shopping there.

btw i thought the adaptor was patented by AI?

[HannibalSmith77]

I dont know if ASGI wrote that description or if madbull did but wow, BOTH companies are jackasses.

I love how they flat out make ###### up like the fact that the AI plastic propane adapter cant stand the temperatures of liquid green gas so it cracks...Puhlease...

Madbull is TWO steps behind AI.  First off, they failed to come out with the worlds first propane adapter and secondly, AI just recently switched from metal to plastic for some very valid reasons.

Sheesh, what a bunch of sheisters.  I cant stand sensational advertising, its almost like you're insulting your customers intelligence.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agreed.

And isn't Madbull the company that likes to respect patents and licenses? I won't buy the Madbull even though it is $2 cheaper. I'm going to buy the AI one (since my M1911 is working again) because it is proven to work and they are the people who designed the thing.

Then I go and buy clone AEGs.   Call me a hypocrite... But I'm actually trying to stop buying cheapies as I have a job and can sort of afford the high end goodies.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, I'll call Madbull hypocrites. I've been told, in the past, that Madbull is the the same assclowns who do the RAP4 BS. Quite frankly, I think they're POS's in that they think it's fun to try and intimidate and scare other companies into respecting what they copy. Further more, I enjoy how they make everyone else feel like they're morally responsible for buying their item because they "license" it properly and so on. Madbull can suck a big one AFAIK.

[evilliboba]

Agreed HS77.

[yuxi]

Typical Mad ######, slam others for this type of behavior then go out and do it themselves.

May their company go bankrupt.

[Chris North]

That's a little extreme, no?

There is a very very small possibility that there's a difference to the MB adapter, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Edited for spelling.

Edited by ChrisNorthInGer, 18 August 2007 - 07:19 PM.

[angel_wings]

Yea tbh, I like madbull and wouldn't buy any other shells from anyone.

But I won't buy the propane adapter. Simple reason: AI is tried and tested and works.
No underlying hatred for anyone!

[Rapier]

It does seem to be a blatant rip off and you'll see another blatant ripoff on the market in about a month acording to one of my suppliers. It makes me kinda sad because I'm marginally associated with one of the cloners and they are definantly cloning without permission.

And HS77 Madbull/Simon is in bed with RAP just like he is with ASGI and HSS (the gear/training company). As far as I can tell he has a "vested interest" in all those companies, but doesn't actually own any but Madbull.

Also, I agree with everyone else, I'll stick with AI, I'm getting a plastic one because it'll hold up in a ruck WAY better than the brass stem will. I'm not about to run to my friends machine shop every weekend I play to lathe out a new fill stem.

[Magsz]

Heh, one example that i love is HSS's new plate carrier which might as well be an eagle plate carrier with cummerbund.

Its amazing how indignant madbull gets when the concept of clones and patent infringements comes up but at the same time, their own feces doesnt stink.

[FarEast]

Heh, one example that i love is HSS's new plate carrier which might as well be an eagle plate carrier with cummerbund.

Its amazing how indignant madbull gets when the concept of clones and patent infringements comes up but at the same time, their own feces doesnt stink.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You might want to get your facts right mate before mouthing off, Madbull, HSS and Eagle worked closely on the plate carrier as both MadBull and HSS were concerned about infringing on Eagle Industry designs, thats why the HSS version was delayed due to some changes that all parties agreed on.

As for Mabull chasing up others for copyyright infringments, then so be it! They are a buisness not a charity and they are not only protecting thier investments but also that of the companies that produce the originals.

Also no where on Madbulls sites does it proclaim what ASGI does on thier site, also ASGI is a totally different entity to Madbull and the only links they have is that they purchase madbull products through a wholesaler. Madbull has no say on ASGI buisness ethics but if you think that the information is mileading of damaging then it is your resposibility to inform both AI and also Madbull as they can then approach ASGI about thier ethics.

Also Madbull has its roots WAY back in the paintballing industry and RAP4 has been buying the rights to reproduce Madbull stuff for a long time now and is no secret..... as for the RAP4 prices well it's upto you if you buy it or not!

Also AI design is also another ripoff of ASAHI's and Sun Projects CO2 and Propane adapter that was released back in the early days off Airsoft.

I totally respect peoples opinions and there likes and dislikes in the Airsoft market but bitching about something without facts is just misleading and actually hypocritical as your basically doing the same as ASGI.

So before we start spreading the hate guys...lets get our facts right first ...otherwise its just another flame baiting thread also Simon is a very open guy and does reply to e-mails if you think there is a problem then approach him, remember if these guys aren't aware of misleading information of dirty play then they can't do anything about it.