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[happy.al]

According to SniperX the mold company have lost the molds so no more can be made.

http://www.classicairsoft.net/forum1/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8423

[RedScare]

can you maybe quote it, because im not going to make an account just to read some little article

[Wupjak]

The gist is this:

Escort acquired the remaining inventory of Youth Engineering MP5 receivers, internals etc. and modified them to the 'Escort MP5' state. The success of the project has resulted in the last of those YE MP5 base guns being depleted. At some point (prior to Escort making the decision to modify the YE MP5 to their spec), the molds for YE's receivers were 'lost' or destroyed. The tooling costs to recreate said molds are prohibitive for Escort, so MP5 availability will end when the last of the base guns is converted to an 'Escort MP5' and sold.

Edited by Wupjak, 27 October 2007 - 12:01 AM.

[TDS]

According to SniperX the mold company have lost the molds so no more can be made.

http://www.classicairsoft.net/forum1/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8423

Oh no, false statements making imaginary demand! the mold hasnt existed for years they bought old gun bodies.

[RedScare]

is this some viral marketing?

[juicymeat]

Oh no, false statements making imaginary demand! the mold hasnt existed for years they bought old gun bodies.

Uh, how do you know this for sure? I've never seen you make a positive comment about Escort powered guns so I'd honestly like to see what facts that statement is based off of.

[SGCDude]

/cry

However, I see a silver lining: what delight will come from them next? An updated M16 that requires no work? A battle rifle of some kind? Maybe a plastigun such as an AUG or G36... maybe it will be more kits like ones done for the Inokatsu M60s. I look forward to Escort's next move.

[snorkelman]

Well we can argue about the motives behind it (cynical ploy or genuine heads up for folks looking to buy) but impression I always had was that the guns were being assembled from unused YE stock. Why machine a piston chamber that still has a YE feed hole that then needs blanked off, why drill a hole for the hop unit adjustment after the receiver has been painted etc.

bigger issue for escort is more of a what next - one thing to have a big stockpile of MP5 receivers and trigger groups etc that just need assembling and fettling to bring in dough another entirely to be without that particular income stream and reliant on custom builds of AKs 416's etc Clones might offer them a bit of wriggle room - with the dboys being a reasonalby close impression dimensionally of the VFC AKs they could conceivably up production on AK internals without several hundred dollar millstone of a VFC hanging around the neck of each one.

[Wupjak]

The limited inventory was made clear from the get-go. If anything, the timeframe of the molds being lost/broken/whatever was the unclear bit of the original post.

I have one. It's eh. Chops BBs and isn't skirmishworthy except for the first 100-200 cycles after I tear it down and lube it. I like it though and it'll be my 'rainy-day tinker around with it until it irritates the hell out of me again' gun until I either bash it into pieces or it works like the examples I read about on the intarwebs. Paul helped me out considerably via AIM and email but the sweet spot has yet to be found on my particular gun. It's miles ahead of the SP16 guns though, just not quite there in my case.

[Dusk]

Damn, a gun that is unreliable and unskirmishworthy is going out of production?

What will we do.

[That_One_Person]

Damn, a gun that is unreliable and unskirmishworthy is going out of production?

What will we do.

Tsk Tsk

[Pinkfloyd]

Alright Escort, if you're gonna cut Mp5 production, build us a GBB Calico or a GBB sterling.

[snorkelman]

can be a bit exasperating whern they dont work properly my secondhand one was a real pita to shake the niggles out of (missaligned piston chamber, knackered hop up and sloppy lower receiver plus an airshaft collar area that had seen better days) since I sorted those out its been fine.

On my DIY kits the issues were different but easy enough to fix - BB chopping on those was down to a lip that had formed where the feed tube mates to the piston chamer. That just needed reamed out to allow free feed of the BBs into the chamber (oherwise they could foul on the lip only get half way in and then decapitated by the airshaft as it came back home on return stroke)

Sticky airswitch valve pin I traced back to a tiny oring at front of the valve stem (not the main oring on the stem) removal cured it without causing any fresh ill effects.

slight misalingment in the hole to adjust the hop meant that whenever the piston chamber was bolted down tight onto the front of the reciever in what looked to be the correct postion there was no way to adjust the hop - again an easy fix. all of them despise the supplied star midcap though Ilearned that lesson with first one and use mine with G&P metal midcaps much better fit in the magwel and much more reliable feed and spring tension.

with niggles ironed out all three of them work pretty much flawlessly now with range and bb trajectory very similar to my VFC AKSU (similar barrel length and power) though the AKSU will edge them out in the accuracy stakes.

Spare airshaft is handy to have 'just in case' as the collar is the real weak point of the design and Id rate spare hop up rubbers as essential (if no other reason than avoiding having to put an order in all the way to japan just to grab a few more later).

[AustinWolv]

Oh no, false statements making imaginary demand! the mold hasnt existed for years they bought old gun bodies.

Oh, look who appeared to dog Escort yet again? Took a little break to hide out after getting called on it before and decided to start up again, huh?

Damn, a gun that is unreliable and unskirmishworthy is going out of production?

Mine works fine and has been skirmished. Ranges just fine as well. They have their issues; Escort-internal guns can be frustrating.....but a bit of time and taking some time to talk to sniperx results in detailed help if you need it. They aren't for casual users, you are correct. And when things are working as they are supposed to.....there's nothing more fun in airsoft.

The biggest PITA? Getting spare hop rubbers sent to you in any sort of timely fashion.

SCAR is what Escort is looking at.

Wup, drop me a line with your symptoms...perhaps I can help.

[snorkelman]

Alright Escort, if you're gonna cut Mp5 production, build us a GBB Calico or a GBB sterling.

presuposes they have the cash to lay out to develop externals for a sterling though (calico would be a complete ###### to try and use an escort system with) I suspect if they did then retooling for the MP5 wouldnt be an issue (though admitedly the MP5 has a fair amount of churn in the secondhand market that might well not make it worthwhile to tool up for an enormous additional run anyway).

Sten would be a better option for a 'complete in house gun' from a simplicity of manufacture POV though does need the system to run open bolt (and bolt travel in the original while firing is way more than what would be acheivable using any expanding chamber blowback system). When it comes right down to it thought the sten is a bit of an ask it would be a niche weapon inside a niche market, trying to sell an external fed blowback in any sort of sensible numbers is hard enough without choosing one thats going to be of limited appeal to the mainstream market.

better advised to spend their efforts on coming up with a drop in (or near drop in) engine for something that could already have the externals for had 'off the shelf'. Ideally that would be engines that could be dropped in with next to zero mods to host gun involved or at worst mods that didnt affect its ability to be returned to a previous AEG state (lets folks turn one gun into dual purposes). Add to that the guns are much easier to fix 'hands on' than remotely - which lends itself towards getting someone in each country to act as a repair point with spares on hand, rather than stuff having to be sent to/ordered from japan. Othwise you end up with risk of excessive amounts of secondhand churn eating into what would be sales of new units.

Edited by snorkelman, 27 October 2007 - 03:46 AM.

[Tumerboy]

just to be clear, the fact that the YE MP5 Body molds were lost/destroyed, has been known for a LONG time. This was made clear when Escort first stepped up to the plate. Honestly I'm amazed that they had as many as they had.

[happy.al]

Just to say my MP5 has been great, it did have a few teething problems but they where quickly fixed with help from CA.net and SniperX. Now it's a great weapon and I did use it every game, until I bought a SP M16 Now the MP5 is my spare.

[TDS]

Oh, look who appeared to dog Escort yet again? Took a little break to hide out after getting called on it before and decided to start up again, huh?

What because there havent been any new threads to warn people of overpriced, brass-internaled, low power, poor accuracy, finky rifles with underwhelming recoil ive been "hiding"? I mean they are decent if you are easily amused by the "recoil" and your site doesnt have ranges over 100ft or so.

just to be clear, the fact that the YE MP5 Body molds were lost/destroyed, has been known for a LONG time. This was made clear when Escort first stepped up to the plate.

TM: We lost the molds for the P90RD! Everyone Panic *quietly increases prices due to conjured up rarity*
Everyone: *panics!*
TM: We are rereleasing the P90RD! Sorry for screwing you to make a buck there for a year or so! its cool! *gangsta handshake*

Edited by TDS, 27 October 2007 - 01:57 PM.

[Wupjak]

Wup, drop me a line with your symptoms...perhaps I can help.

I'll do that, thanks man.

Just to clarify, I like the gun. My post wasn't meant to be trashing the thing like everybody's buddy TDS. It's worth what I paid for it in cool factor, but MY PARTICULAR GUN isn't skirmishworthy and it's irksome. I never had success troubleshooting my SP16, either so perhaps I'm the borked part of the equation. Lots of folks have good luck with these and play with em. I hope to sort mine out at some point and enjoy it on the field as well as at the workbench.

[happy.al]

What because there havent been any new threads to warn people of overpriced, brass-internaled, low power, poor accuracy, finky rifles with underwhelming recoil ive been "hiding"? I mean they are decent if you are easily amused by the "recoil" and your site doesnt have ranges over 100ft or so.

LOL,

There have been loads of new theads lately, I've been part of most of them.

I don't know what your problem is with Escort guns, but I have seen many of your pervious posts and it seems that you have a personal problem with SniperX rather than any problems with the products.

I don't a NEWS forum post is the place for your personal gripes, if you started a new post in general I'm sure many people would like to hear your views (again).