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[uscmCorps]

From Airsoft-News.EU:

King Arms: Replica of VLTOR VIS
Another interesting announcement from King Arms: they are working on replica of VLTOR VIS upper receiver assembly. As no information from King Arms is available at the moment, let's see what is VIS really about. Explanation courtesy of VLTOR:

One of the most innovative products available from Vltor is the Versatile Interface Structure (VIS) upper receiver assembly. After 12 years of concept, development and testing, the VIS integrated receiver and rail platform is now available.

The VIS is a polylithic upper receiver assembly that ties the normally individual receiver and handguard into an aggregate single part. This combination overcomes many problems that are associated with the traditional “two piece” design, most notably being greatly improved structural strength and repeatable accuracy; while affording the user the benefits of a free-floating barrel and rock solid railed fore end.

I like the fact that they say "Explanation courtesy of VLTOR"... as if VLTOR endorsed this product. Which would be impossible seeing as King Arms is on pretty much every Real Steel manufacturer's sh!t list (especially VLTOR and MAGPUL who really hates them). Pretty cool though.

Although the fact that this is not compatible with G&P lowers (including the VLTOR receiver out there) and the lack of trademarks makes me rather wait for the DYTac VIS (don't worry... the trades on that are 100% accurate ).

[j3T]

Wait? There's a DYTac VIS coming? Well, that just made my day

[Zmarre]

I just came. On a hard, Norris-approved, manner.

[uscmCorps]

Wait? There's a DYTac VIS coming? Well, that just made my day

YEP! They'll be CNC'ed just like the DYTac MURs and will come in two lengths: carbine and rifle length.

DYTac will also be producing Lower Receivers with the correct Stag Arms logo on the left, VLTOR logo on the right (the current VLTOR lowers are actually incorrect (which makes me a little sad... because I have two))... and the DYTac VLTOR lowers will be a heck of a lot cheaper than the rip off G&P VLTOR ones. And yes the logos will be 100% accurate.

Edited by uscmCorps, 30 December 2007 - 02:33 PM.

[Vercingetorix]

Quick question USMC Corps... Will Your MUR fit with any other metal bodies? I would like to create a KAC/Vltor Carbine mix gun, and I don't need the whole set of Vltor stuffs, like the lower body and the rail fore-end on the VIS.... I am going to be getting the Inokatsu MBKs for the M4 when they are finally released... Also are the receiver threads for the fore-end to r-s diameters, because I would like to get and fit a real KAC URX 2 mid length fore-end on it....

[HeartBreaker1317]

Just as a point of interest, why is KAC on the sh!tlist of real steal manufacturers? Unauthorized reproductions or somesuch?

[uscmCorps]

Quick question USMC Corps... Will Your MUR fit with any other metal bodies? I would like to create a KAC/Vltor Carbine mix gun, and I don't need the whole set of Vltor stuffs, like the lower body and the rail fore-end on the VIS.... I am going to be getting the Inokatsu MBKs for the M4 when they are finally released... Also are the receiver threads for the fore-end to r-s diameters, because I would like to get and fit a real KAC URX 2 mid length fore-end on it....

Sorry, but I am unsure if it will fit on any other brand of metal body. If you can find yourself a regular G&P upper from a friend, test that on your project gun, and if it works, the DYTac MUR should fit too.

Just as a point of interest, why is KAC on the sh!tlist of real steal manufacturers? Unauthorized reproductions or somesuch?

Basically, HK airsoft is a very small industry. Everyone knows everyone else. KingArms is just generally not liked by pretty much all other airsoft manufacturers because of their business approach (which apparently isn't good). KingArms is especially not liked by various real steel manufacturers because there's a representative in HK for Magpul and Vltor and some other companies. That rep can't stand KingArms for basically the same aforementioned reason.

[vbtb110]

Just a shot in the dark here, but are there any chances of a DyTac LMT MRP?


I would love them long time if there was

[lin_pointer]

awesome!, anything to fix the barrel wollble problem, hope it would be under 170 usd!

[uscmCorps]

Just a shot in the dark here, but are there any chances of a DyTac LMT MRP?


I would love them long time if there was

This was considered... however the MRP is an unlikely candidate as it's a bit too costly to reproduce.

awesome!, anything to fix the barrel wollble problem, hope it would be under 170 usd!

The King Arms might be because it's made out cast pot metal. As for the DYTac version... unlikely. That's a huge chunk of aluminum that will need to be machined.

[DesertFox]

eewww why anyone would want stag roll marks is beyond me.

[-=OGGY=-]

Any idea of the release date (roughly) for either of the VIS systems?

[uscmCorps]

eewww why anyone would want stag roll marks is beyond me.

Because that's what the real receiver has. People want accuracy.

Any idea of the release date (roughly) for either of the VIS systems?

DYTac within a couple months. KingArms will be no earlier than Easter (probably a while after that).

[birchm]

The King Arms might be because it's made out cast pot metal. As for the DYTac version... unlikely. That's a huge chunk of aluminum that will need to be machined.

So are we talking like 50-100 bucks less than the RS version? Gotta say that was my biggest issue with purchasing the MUR.

[Apotheothenai]

Nice. I can't wait!

[48thRonin]

Looking forward to seeing this put together.........

[uscmCorps]

So are we talking like 50-100 bucks less than the RS version? Gotta say that was my biggest issue with purchasing the MUR.

I'd suggest getting the King Arms one in that case. To be honest, CNC'ed parts usually cost a lot. And these are limited in number too. However, while King Arms will never have the trademarks, they are a decent facsimile for what you get. It's the old adage of "You get what you pay for".

[freq88]

I don't see how anyone can make price comparisons to the RS when it's obvious that the RS cannot work/fit.

[Magsz]

Alot of people like to make comparisons because the real steel pieces are almost always manufactured out of better materials and feature better machining. Hell, a ton of airsoft products are die cast rather than machined.

I think alot of people are disgruntled over the fact that the real steel counterparts are often times the same price or just a tad more expensive yet are WORLDS apart in terms of construction and fit and finish.

I would happily pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars for airsoft parts if i knew i could chop a tree down with them. Real steel parts are made to be as reliable as possible under extreme amounts of stress. Airsoft parts on the other hand crack in half if you look at them wrong.

[cshirk]

Just checked with this on the King Arms website. They are, indeed, doing this. They are making a VIS Receiver Assembly and a MUR Metal Body Kit. King Arms doesn't say anything on their site about trades, though, which is fine for me, since I'd have other things I want to do with it. Overall, looks good, but the net can make anything look good, so we'll see what they come out with. I don't think the VIS will deal with barrel wobble at all...that's up to tightening the delta ring, or getting a good delta ring. What the VIS will do is give you a full-length free-float RIS that allows you to put an M203 on as well. We'll see what actually happens with this, though. No release date as of yet from King Arms.

By the way, USMC Corps. I AirSoftNews.eu just quoted the description of the VIS that you can get from VLTOR's website. That's probably why they said, "explanation courtesy of Vltor." They'd have to to say that, because it's a direct quote.

And freq88, if the person asking the question about a RS price comparison, it's probably because 1) you can use real steel parts on some classics, and 2) because if it's the same cost as a real steel, I know what I'm doing...I'm taking my business to the gun store instead of the airsoft store and then going to the shooting range instead of the airsoft field for a weekend.