Utty Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Interesting What are your thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Romulus Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Another quality way to spend more money on a TM Hi-Capa? Seriously, I am glad to see it since it is definitely helpful in building a low recoil race gun. Personally though, I would like to see them come out with a heavy weight BBU to help give a Hi-Capa more kick. Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 So this thing is supposed to make less recoil? If so, don't think its that necessary for a airsoft gun. Airsoft guns have opposite aims than their RS counterparts. We want our guns louder and maintain the strongest recoil as possible. Link to post Share on other sites
Romulus Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Most people like their airsoft pistols to have more noise and kick but the competitive shooters can want the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Interesting idea - I guess the effectiveness and reliability will only be judged once someone buys it and reviews it. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Romulus Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I know that hkssr20det, ViciousV10's and the4thpower have all ordered them so I'm sure that one of them will be good enough to review it. Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 saw this a few days ago and it will also fit the Tm1911 which is good for peeps such as myself But it does say this is nearly half the weight of the orignal mechanism and if anything should give better recoil. Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Depends what you mean by 'better recoil'. Felt kick is down to a mixture of blowback speed and weight - Reducing the weight without adding more gas to force the slide back is going to reduce the perceived kick I think. I guess the idea is to reduce the weight of the slide to make the slide move back faster with the same amount of gas and then shut faster as the recoil spring will have less weight to shut. Probably a pointless mod with a metal slide and only really of interest to practical shooters, but interesting nonetheless. What's probably most interesting is the different blowback unit with the o-ring - Potentially this could give a better kick. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Felt kick is down to a mixture of blowback speed and weight - Reducing the weight without adding more gas to force the slide back is going to reduce the perceived kick I think. Interesting i didnt think of it like that. I though less weight would make the slide move faster and giving it a better response and kick. Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 The Hi-Capa already has a lightning fast cycle (mainly due to the featherweight slide in stock form), but it possesses virtually no felt kick at all compared with anything. I imagine this gadget is intended to make the cycle EVEN faster for those for who 1/100ths of a second between shots make a difference (practical shooters). Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Given that lots of practical shooters switch to metal slides for durability, this part helps to counter the undesired weight effect. Also there's a difference in balance if you compare a plastic slide with a heavy lump of metal in the rear, and a metal slide with a lightened rear end. This part should improve the slide speed in both directions and decrease gas consumption as a side-effect, but perceived recoil can be actually reduced. A mate of mine has this part already installed on his 5.1 Hi-Capa, but I can't really tell what difference this very part made - there's so many other custom parts on that pistol that I think only the hop-up assembly and magazines are original. I didn't shoot it in "before" condition, but it's a really nice shooter now. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
screamin_weasel Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 little train of thought, i could be wrong : tm 1911's dont have the biggest gas reservoir in the world, if i put a metal kit on my stock TM, gas consumption will increase, yes ? because of the weight ? so i could install this lighter mech to reduce the overall weight and counteract the new heavier slide, to keep the snapiness there. im not fussed about recoil, i'd prefer a nice snappy action and minimal hand movement, and im just a bog standard skirmisher. Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 little train of thought, i could be wrong : tm 1911's dont have the biggest gas reservoir in the world, if i put a metal kit on my stock TM, gas consumption will increase, yes ? because of the weight ? so i could install this lighter mech to reduce the overall weight and counteract the new heavier slide, to keep the snapiness there. im not fussed about recoil, i'd prefer a nice snappy action and minimal hand movement, and im just a bog standard skirmisher. Thats my thinking Weasel...and why I ordered it. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 The little train of thought is right on track in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Romulus Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I would have to agree that that seems to be a decent idea. I would consider it as well if I wasn't always trying to increase kick. Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I have a Tm1911 with pgc spring metal frame and body, barrel etc but upgraded the hammer,mag valve and recoil spring. And it shoots like a mule whatever the whether but now considering this upgrade as well. Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Yeah, the theory's good - Can't see it making enough difference to really be worth the trouble for the average skirmisher though. Cheers. PS HOW does a Mule shoot....? Link to post Share on other sites
Chris North Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 $50, seems a little inexpensive, no? Not that anyone should complain... Link to post Share on other sites
1st_shooter Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 lol i ment to say kicks like one. But hell have you seen a mule shoot its load? its just nastly lol Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted March 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 PS HOW does a Mule shoot....? lol i ment to say kicks like one. But hell have you seen a mule shoot its load? its just nastly lol You just had to ask, didn't you Snowman? I hope you're satisfied now. Anyway, I think this is probably best suited for the 1911, for the reasons s_w pointed out. Link to post Share on other sites
onebigbagostupid Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 i am definately going to buy one Link to post Share on other sites
Cephas Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 This will work on both the Hicapa and 1911? Link to post Share on other sites
hkssr20det Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Yes. Their blowback units are the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I would have liked to see it anodized - wear on the rails might lead to less than steller functioning once someone puts a lot of milage on it. 6061 T6 isn't as hard as Marui casting Zn. Still nice though, I'd put on in my 5.1 if I still had it. Hopefully AS does a P226 version. Link to post Share on other sites
shinjinMC Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 doubt material hardness would play much of a role since the whole thing is held more or less in place by that screw in the back and shouldnt walk around too much, not matter how much you cycle it still, this thing isnt much more expensive than a TM unit should you manage to bork a stock one (ahem, possibly by increasing kick. =p) this might be a good alternative to buying a tm replacement also going back to the o-ring system vs the newer cup system might result to more blown o-rings in hotter weather I have one 5.1 setup with a cup seal and another setup with an o-ring for this reason Link to post Share on other sites
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