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[SlickAxe]

Looks like BIOVAL is back and at full speed again. Their distributor announced today a new line of BBB products, the BBBMAX. This will be the ultimate BIO BB since it is not only degradable and nature-friendly (non toxic) but also reduces the amount of Green House Gases during the production of the BBBs. It is ironic to see that some of the Bio BB's on the market are less nature-friendly than regular BB's since the products process costs a lot of Green House Gases. Read along for the latest on BIOVAL.

NEW! BIOVAL BBBMAX! - 18/03/2008
Announcing the new and revolutionary BBBMAX. With this new bb Bioval will reduce the amount of Green House Gases generated when compared to the production of conventional plastic bbs and even biodegradable ones. The BBBMAX reduces the resources and the energy consumption normally associated with the production of plastic and biodegradable bbs and improves the level of achievable sphericity and ballistic stability by eliminating the presence of air bubbles. Quality control is guaranteed.

Since they are transparent they will absorb the light of the surrounding environment and will become virtually invisible when the finally hit the ground. When fired they are invisible to all but the shooter. The hardness is such that they will smoothly flow through even the most demanding Airsoft weapons without problems. Small (average 5.92mm) and fast they are the most accurate bbs in the world. If you can't fire smoothly and accurately with these BBBMAX then change your gun!

Edited by SlickAxe, 18 March 2008 - 04:33 PM.

[scorch]

They look pretty slick. Will be interesting to see the price tag.

[Silas5150]

I agree with you scorch. I'm worried about the price tag. A lot of sites I play at I feel obligated (if not required) to use Bio bbs in my SAW, and that's gets ridiculously expensive at times. Hopefully these will be at least near the same price range as bio bbs being currently produced.

[WAAPURR]

Ive was able to inspect a small amount and shoot about half a mag couple weeks ago.  No jamming issues (6.01 barrel) but QC should be interesting once it officially hits the market.  

I feel like I only got to test a "hand picked" batch so I would def second guess putting a brand new un-opened bag through my gun, without some serious inspecting of my own.

They look and feel like polished glass and I believe they weigh around .27 NOT .28  

I will give credit to the fact they are clear.  Shooting semi auto while looking through my scope, I was able to trace the bbs out to the target, but it is extremely hard to track if your not looking down the barrel.  I was a bit scared to test full auto for the idea of experiancing a jam. (still had some game time left that I didnt wanna sit out in case)

I think everyone is correct in saying PRICE will dictate the sales of this product.  BIO bbs are horrible quality and exspensive...hopefully these are neither.

[NeoVeNoM]

I agree with you scorch. I'm worried about the price tag. A lot of sites I play at I feel obligated (if not required) to use Bio bbs in my SAW, and that's gets ridiculously expensive at times. Hopefully these will be at least near the same price range as bio bbs being currently produced.

Stop spraying then.

No really, that's the disadvantage you have when playing with a supportgun. But you have a huge advantage with your boxmag.
(unless everyone runs around with a M4 with C-mag )

[Utty]

Small (average 5.92mm)

Small? That's a good thing?  

Edited by Utty, 18 March 2008 - 06:00 PM.

[Panzergraf]

Ive was able to inspect a small amount and shoot about half a mag couple weeks ago.  No jamming issues (6.01 barrel) but QC should be interesting once it officially hits the market.  

I feel like I only got to test a "hand picked" batch so I would def second guess putting a brand new un-opened bag through my gun, without some serious inspecting of my own.

They look and feel like polished glass and I believe they weigh around .27 NOT .28  

I will give credit to the fact they are clear.  Shooting semi auto while looking through my scope, I was able to trace the bbs out to the target, but it is extremely hard to track if your not looking down the barrel.  I was a bit scared to test full auto for the idea of experiancing a jam. (still had some game time left that I didnt wanna sit out in case)

I think everyone is correct in saying PRICE will dictate the sales of this product.  BIO bbs are horrible quality and exspensive...hopefully these are neither.

.27 and no jams, eh?
I might just check if the shop I work at can start importing these.

[choffman10]

I can garuntee my dad will be picking some of these up... The transparency is pretty awesome I must say, although:

Small? That's a good thing?  

I have to agree.

Edited by choffman10, 18 March 2008 - 08:42 PM.

[oldman1980]

Aren't standard BB's atleast 5.95mm and not 5.92mm? Just a question. Cause the extra .0'X'  does make a difference. I run 6.01mm barrels in all my guns and that from a .03 prom. or a .04 TN or a .05 BS makes a big difference. But on topic, just wondering about the BB size.

[Beast06]

There is really not a big difference between a 6.03 and a 6.01mm.

Yes, usually BB's are 5.95mm +/- 0.01mm. Some are also 5.98 as well.

[choffman10]

Airsoft Elites are 5.98mm +/- .01mm, and Madbulls are 5.98.

Wouldn't these bb's make your gun much less accurate?

[Dock trinE]

I hope these are widely available.  I have no problem paying a higher price, as long as it's not extremely ridiculous, since I'm not much of a sprayer.

[Beast06]

Airsoft Elites are 5.98mm +/- .01mm, and Madbulls are 5.98.

Wouldn't these bb's make your gun much less accurate?

You wouldn't really see much of a difference - They are the same weight.

[choffman10]

You wouldn't really see much of a difference - They are the same weight.

Yes, but wouldn't it have the same effect as having a wider barrel? The bb's could bounce around more, thus making it less accurate - lemme make a comparison:

5.98mm bb traveling in a 6.08mm equals .1mm of "wasted space", and a 5.92mm traveling a 6.02mm barrel equals .1mm of "wasted space".

See what I mean?

[SlickAxe]

interesting indeed, but i think weight is more important to accuracy than size...

[Utty]

interesting indeed, but i think weight is more important to accuracy than size...

Aha.
It's just that BBs that are too small cause a lot of jamming, doublefeeding, misfiring and general badness in my experience.

I'm currently using PHX .20gs for testing, and they're definitely smaller than my KSCs (PHXs slip through certain GBB mag feed lips without resistance, while the KSCs get held back by the same feed lips), and I can only conclude that smaller BBs are a bad, baaad thing: erratic groupings, unreliable feeding, lower fps.

BB size is exactly why I recently ordered a selection of Xtreme Accuracy BBs in various weights, because they're supposed to be larger than average, resulting in awesome performance. We'll see.

No Biovals for me, in any case.

[Chris North]

Excels seem to have the same problem as the PHX.  IIRC I accidentally came across eight or so threads about GBBs jamming that ended up being due to Excel BBs' smaller diameter.  Could be from their inconsistentcy, though, and I think most people have said they work well enough feeding-wise in AEGs.

These BBs seem pretty cool and a good idea regardless.  Interested to see how they turn out.

[Pariah_WP]

Any word on a US distributor for these yet? Thanks.

[monkey530]

Any word on a US distributor for these yet? Thanks.

Dedusa

[Hedganian]

Where does it say these are biogdegradable? The information quoted from Bioval, and the advert pictured, seems to say they are "inert" and intert - to me - means will not break down. At all. Ever.

The standard non-bio plastic BBs are made from inert plastics. They have no known half-life and thus could theoretically remain unchanged until the Earth is consumed by the sun in another few billion years.

So are they inert, or biodegradable, becase I don't think they can be both...