uscmCorps Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I knew about the Mk18 CQB... but the M2 .50 BMG!?!! I had no idea they were making it!!! Info from airsoft-new.eu: Exciting news from Asia: Andrew sent in pictures of VFC Browning M2 (!) and VFC Mk18 CQB. Mk18 is long confirmed and eagerly awaited and M2 (if confirmed) is certainly a very interesting replica. Pictures are property of Monda International, but we took liberty to watermark them. More here. No mention of prices yet, but I can't imagine the M2 will be cheap. That said, I'm sure it'd be worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 .50 BMG AEG? I lol'd. Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Now they just need Catman to do the internals Looks great, I wonder if it's steel or aluminium? Link to post Share on other sites
Fond6 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 1 Avril ? Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 1 Avril ? Could be, but this showed up on airsoftnews yesterday, 30th of March. Link to post Share on other sites
Abelius Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 My calendar says 31st March. But yeah, imagining a sewing machine inside an M2 BMG isn't fun. Link to post Share on other sites
Fond6 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Could be, but this showed up on airsoftnews yesterday, 30th of March. My calendar says 31st March. But yeah, imagining a sewing machine inside an M2 BMG isn't fun. One fish was be eat fastly , but his preparation is done in advance If this news is true, I would also be happy Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Anyone know what sight that is on the Mk18? Link to post Share on other sites
Glenn Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I'm more excited about the Elcan Spectre DR on the Mk18...that version is very rare, and very expensive...I'm hoping thats a forthcoming replica. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 as unlikely as it is, it'd better be a GBB. an AEG Mk.2 doesnt work. its not right. and whats this about 'long confirmed and eagerly awaited'? first i've heard about it... unless it was confirmed a couple of years ago or something. Link to post Share on other sites
Beast06 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 and whats this about 'long confirmed and eagerly awaited'? first i've heard about it... unless it was confirmed a couple of years ago or something. It's referring to the Mk18, which was announced quite a while ago. Link to post Share on other sites
Catman Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Now they just need Catman to do the internals *blush* but more credit to MadDog he's the genius behind it's gas system as unlikely as it is, it'd better be a GBB. an AEG Mk.2 doesnt work. its not right. Hehe exactly; hrhrhr "get some!", that thing can be heard firing across our site Hmm the body work on ours isn't great and still needs finishing... *wonders about cheating* Link to post Share on other sites
Harvahammas Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Did you Catman copy escort's design? Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Not sure why people have issue with the possibility that the M2 is an AEG. There are M134 AEGs, M240s etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Guinness Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hmmm an early April Fool's gag on the Ma Deuce? Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Not sure why people have issue with the possibility that the M2 is an AEG. There are M134 AEGs, M240s etc etc. I lol'd at those too. Link to post Share on other sites
Catman Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Did you Catman copy escort's design? oh no, you can see all the internals in the build thread - custom design to be as efficient as possible (see sig for link) Not sure why people have issue with the possibility that the M2 is an AEG. There are M134 AEGs, M240s etc etc. I guess it's because there's no real point, M134 (7.62mm) has crazy ROF so that makes up for it, M240 (7.62mm) and M249s (5.56mm) aren't too bad, they're just support guns, you could argue an MP5K with a drum mag does the job just as good. But an M2 AEG? Might as well stick with a M249/M240, same performance/experience and lighter. A .50Cal M2 needs to be a suppressive gun, it's presence needs to strike fear and intimidation. When it starts to shoot everyone has to know about it, you're not going to get that on a sowing machine, it's going to be just another AEG, ie nothing special apart from pretty eye candy Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hehe exactly; hrhrhr "get some!", that thing can be heard firing across our site Hmm the body work on ours isn't great and still needs finishing... *wonders about cheating* So the guy that made those M2 youtube vids shared the same forum with me all this time? Wow. I.. am.. honored sir. *hats off* And you're right. You're M2 is the way airsoft .50 BMGs should be. I'd crack up in the fields and get myself shot if an AEG M2 is fired upon me, but your's does strike fear. (I'm not putting this down for those who actually like it. Just one perspective of things here.) Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Catman, I don't want to take anything away from your achievement because it is indeed a bloody brilliant one at that! I can tell by the videos that hearing that beast in field would generate a great deal of fear. That being said, it seems that a lot of the sound generated from your gun is from the barrel slamming back and forth. Could it not be possible for a similar end result with an AEG? The barrel movement and the firing of the AEG could be two completely separate systems. The timing may be off between the two, but a similar effect could be simulated. When someone says they laugh out loud at an M240 or M134 I wonder to myself their reasoning behind such comments. They're still shooting the same rounds (BBs) as that of the Gas powered M2. It's pure intimidation factor. Some players see a big gun, they may think it's going to be deadly on the field. When I see the M134 on the field mounted on the back of a technical, I find cover and fast because I know that that thing can lay down some serious ROF with consistent power behind it and a long reach. In truth it really is not much different than someone with a long barreled rifle, an insane ROF and a box mag. At the same time people can say that while the gas M2 looks and sounds intense, it should still be governed by the same fps rules as all other airsoft guns on the field and the ROF isn't that impressive compared to most AEGs as the gas M2 is trying to have a similar ROF as the RS. So people could easily reason that the gas power M2 has more bark than bite. It's airsoft. We're pretty much all shooting 6mm BBs at (hopefully) the same fps limits. A jack hammer sounds scary but it all comes down to the psychological effect is has on the player. Knowing that it has to abide by the same rules as all other airsoft guns, I'd rather face off against that than an M134 with ridiculous ROF and range. But that's me. Other players' reactions may vary. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 IMO theres no point in having something that looks big and intimidating unless it sounds it as well. it really needs to stand out and make itself known in the field. TBH i'd say the worst thing about an AEG M2 would be the lack of feedback. from a gun that size and calliber i'd want a good bit of noise, recoil etc. otherwise it's little more than a glorified *generic Americanski assault rifle* (or equivilent) Link to post Share on other sites
Catman Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 So the guy that made those M2 youtube vids shared the same forum with me all this time? Wow. I.. am.. honored sir. *hats off* And you're right. You're M2 is the way airsoft .50 BMGs should be. Thanks uscmCorps: No worries Our M2 is far from a perfect gun. There's a lot of steel moving about in it, it has a stop plate which is really a sort of "slap" plate. If you fancy, you can see the whole construction process here: http://www.stealthstudios.co.uk/catman/50cal/m2.html When people say "AEG" you just think of a wimpy little V2/V3/etc gearbox, put that inside the M2 and you still got room for your packed lunch. Could you make some kind of impact plate for an AEG based system? Yeah I think you could, you'd need some clever engineering and some beefy internals. Wouldn't be as loud or recoiled though, there'd also be a lot more to go wrong inside. You'd need a whopping amount of voltage too, especially if you wanted to reciprocate the barrel - the batteries could go in the box mag. When we made ours we tried to make the ROF as close to the real thing as possible at about 450-550rpm. Most AEGs will spit out at around 800rpm, though at our site full auto guns are limited to 350fps, we have the M2 doing 400fps @ 150psi (min engage distances apply), its got a lot more range than the AEGs. We also have a gun hit rule, if your gun is hit then it's out of action for 60 seconds, this rule doesn't apply to the M2 as it's a massive BB magnet We didn't set out to make it the best performer, could have done that with an AEG, some upgrades and a box mag - slap together some 40rps monster kicking out 350fps. Certainly an M134 would do a better job at taking people out but then that's got no recoil and no "ka-thunk" every round it fires that you have to shout over if you want to be heard. We were originally going to make it using a P90 gearbox but we decided that it had to have the shooting experience of firing a huge heavy machine gun (watch how much the 3mm steel plates flex around from the recoil). Also you'd also most likely run around with a M134 whereas the M2 ends up being static in an entrenched position because it's full steel, weighs an absolute ton and needs it's own air tank. I was going to buy a M134 to be vehicle mounted behind the same sort of armour plating but tbh they cost so much money to buy and to run I've come up with a much better solution (imo )... but I'm going to be a tease and not reveal anything about it now. Airsharp have their M2, which is PVC plastic body with internals from an M14. I know P3 have a gas powered M2 but it's 8mm (which imo is what it should be in many ways but damn 8mm costs too much for another other than a single action gun) and from the video it appears to be recoilless. I don't know of any others out there to buy, I've seen a few other custom homemades but afaik ours is the only one that recoils. I'm curious to see how much the VFC is going to weigh and what internals are going to be in it. Certainly a gas system would do it the most justice but I highly doubt we'll see that, Escort could maybe have done something with it but considering how much trouble they're in at the moment I'll be surprised if we see anything from them in the future (or have they already gone under?). Edit: Oh yeah: From left to right; .50cal, 7.62x51mm, 5.56x45mm, .357 magnum, 9x19mm, .32 Auto and to complete the picture a 6mm BB (0.36g). Link to post Share on other sites
hhairsoft Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 WOW, that thing looks awesome! an airsoft .50 BMG ... what will they they think of next. Now i just need to raise the funds to afford this, mount it in a nice little sandbag bunker, then we're in business! This gun will DOMINATE the field. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 This gun will DOMINATE the field. hardly. it'll be stuck in one bloody place all the time with no better performance than your average ubernoob running about with his rail smothered, stubby 249 para hooked up to an 11V li-poly. sad, but true. this gun will only be for those who dont care about disadvantaging themselves for the sake of coolness. just had an idea... how cool would it be to run one of these (or anything belt fed) from 'lowcap' belts? just have a looped single stack ammo tube running through the belt and have it load under the feed cover like it should. now THAT would be the ultimate in coolness. Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 your average ubernoob running about with his rail smothered, stubby 249 para hooked up to an 11V li-poly. better watch what you say buddy...I carry a G&P Mk46... haha jk but this Deuce looks awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 hardly. it'll be stuck in one bloody place all the time with no better performance than your average ubernoob running about with his rail smothered, stubby 249 para hooked up to an 11V li-poly. or this: the M2 wont sell because of kids like that. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
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