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[Crimson]

As most of you know i have been reporting news for the last half year, this also means i have been in contact with a few manufactures, well i as talking to the owner of AFC (who made GBB Rifles for a while now when VFC released their aks74un- that’s a while ago) any who, he informed me that WE will release a secret Full metal CO2 GBB to shock the market. So i just thought i would tell you all

AFC's AKS74U's blow back system is totally different with WA's M4. The blow back action is more strongly than WA. This AKS74U's blow back system will use on WE's AK series. WE is a airsoft factory loacted at Taiwan. WE will launch a full metal gas blow back M4 series in this July. The next product is AK series. Those magazines also can use CO2 for it. So the power and the blow back is more strong and powerful.

The ak in question i have linked the in the other PWT thread but here is the link anyway:
http://www.guns.com.hk/
or:
This is the english version but there is hardly any links or as much products as the HK site:
http://www.armedforces.hk/index.php?page=s...rt&Itemid=1

Also interesting is this:
http://www.armedforces.hk/index.php?page=s...rt&Itemid=1

[Dock trinE]

HELL TO THE YEAH! Clone GBB rifles are here!

That didnt take long.

[Crimson]

ITs not a clone its a older and more powerfull than WAs system its been around for about a year now

[Dock trinE]

My bad, I thought WE was gonna use the same system as AFC.

Anyways, it says:

WE will launch a full metal gas blow back M4 series in this July. The next product is AK series. Those magazines also can use CO2 for it. So the power and the blow back is more strong and powerful.

Does that mean that the M4 series will be released first and THEN the AKs? Also does that mean I can use other gas besides CO2 (hopefully green gas)?

[Crimson]

My bad, I thought WE was gonna use the same system as AFC.

Anyways, it says:

WE will launch a full metal gas blow back M4 series in this July. The next product is AK series. Those magazines also can use CO2 for it. So the power and the blow back is more strong and powerful.

Does that mean that the M4 series will be released first and THEN the AKs? Also does that mean I can use other gas besides CO2 (hopefully green gas)?

yeh your right, the ACF engine will be used in the WE AKs, and again yes the M4 will come out first

Yes they are green gas ready on the other thread i posted this on first you can see the video i linked that was using green gas

Edit* i see where you went wrong note i wrote WA as in western arms not WE

Edited by Crimson, 07 July 2008 - 03:28 PM.

[Dock trinE]

Sorry to be bothersome, I'm just very excited, but do you have any word on pricing?

Also, how will the M4 engine work? I couldnt find the specific AFC M4 only the k1custom offering. (Which interestingly enough, is also supposed to come out around this time)

[S.E.A.L.]

So just for comprehension, the WE M4 is based on the AFC M4 GBB blowback system ?
The blowback action looks in this video really good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Fg0u4IPS70

I hope WE will correct their problems with the cool down at this gun.

[Inq Eisenhorn]

Well this is interesting news, and I can imagine some people greeting this with mixed reactions......if you could all see me now, I'm on my hands and knees kissing the floor and thanking God I didn't pay full whack for the WA

I'll be watching this for prices.....it certainly seems the "gas" race is really hotting up, and a GBB AK, I know one guy who'll be interested in that, at least!

Now, this means I only have to put my hands in my pocket for the Inokatsu SCARs.....so WE or whoever, if you're reading this, and willing to do a good job, by all means knock out your M4s and AKs, but tell me now if you intend to build a SCAR......please

[nine]

i dont trust WE's quality

Edited by nine, 07 July 2008 - 04:15 PM.

[Fin]

So getting one to rip it up and stick in my VFC AKS Hopes anyway

[Puding]

So getting one to rip it up and stick in my VFC AKS Hopes anyway wub.gif

had the same idea

[Milith]

Cooldown is also a problem in paintball. (Sorry guys to let you down).

IT's been a problem for as long as the waters were blue.

Unless you use regulated compressed air, it will cool down no matter what, as propane and CO2 have very low operating temperatures.

The only usable fix is using a regular, but even so, the regulator freezes if it gets too cold. So unless they put a sizable regulator in there to let CO2 expand in there, the gun will be cold.

I also fear the price of these mags. Gas mags are never pleasant prices, not even in GBB's.

[Johnny Sasaki]

Nice, just waiting on pricing for this one. Is this the same WE as the ones making the 1911 clones and so on? I wonder if they're going to have a decent AK reproduction... that'll probably be the deciding factor for me.

Any idea if this is gonna be CO2 via 12g capsule or mag-injected CO2?

[fal]

So this is no longer secrete to shock the market then.

I expect it to be hunk of pot metal being WE though. Sigh~

[LordElpus]

seeing as the same gun handles both, i would say mag fed gas as the mag in the youtube video used the same design style as GBB pistol mags.

@Fal: The 1911 wasn't pot metal.. seeing as it only gained a few scratches from the multiple times it fell out of my holster (alway forget to reclip the flap after use.)

Edited by LordElpus, 07 July 2008 - 05:54 PM.

[Catman]

No this looks very promising!!

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The only usable fix is using a regular, but even so, the regulator freezes if it gets too cold. So unless they put a sizable regulator in there to let CO2 expand in there, the gun will be cold....

Paintball guns suffer cool-down a lot more because they use a large volume of gas, they are ~15 times more powerful
To expand on that a bit more: the problem is mainly because airsoft guns that use CO2 are flow-regulated rather than pressure-regulated. Flow-regulated means the CO2 just comes straight out the capsule at 800-1000psi but it's a tiny amount. If a pressure-regulator was used instead performance/constancy would be better and cool-down would be reduced.

Fingers crossed for pressure-regulated mags, I'd pay the bit extra for those!

AK mags could take a good 2x 12g capsules too.

[Inq Eisenhorn]

Well the quality discussion only really means anything once we know the prices, etc.....if WE market this range above the price of WA (which seems unlikely) then they will have to justify that price in terms of function, performance and quality.....if however, it comes in cheaper, and I don't mean a dollar or two, but considerably cheaper, then people will over-look certain issues surely......I mean, the original buyers of the WA dealt with some real interesting problems when they first came out, so I can imagine people giving a cheaper WE GBB M4 some serious elbow room!

[Connery]

@Fal: The 1911 wasn't pot metal.. seeing as it only gained a few scratches from the multiple times it fell out of my holster (alway forget to reclip the flap after use.)

I can say the same thing about my old KWA Glock 19 and my old KJ M9, so I guess they're not pot metal either, right?

[Crimson]

Lol thanks the unofficial news dude aims to please

The price is going to be cheeper if you want a quality one you buy the VFC based AFC AK which is going to cost you $1000, the WE based one will be half the cost so around $500 which is the same as the WA one however it will be full metal and maybe a second mag for free (as they did that with the WE 1911s)

Edited by Crimson, 07 July 2008 - 06:41 PM.

[my_plague_666]

@Fal: The 1911 wasn't pot metal.. seeing as it only gained a few scratches from the multiple times it fell out of my holster (alway forget to reclip the flap after use.)

nigh everything in airsoft is pot metal. that doesnt mean its bad metal, it just means its an alu/zinc alloy. the only exceptions really are things that actually SAY they are alu or steel. just about everything else is pot metal.