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Magpul Masada AEG Rate Topic: ****- 7 Votes

#261 User is offline   uscmCorps 

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE (cazboab @ Jan 5 2009, 04:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, since this is out before the magpull pts version, its kinda hard for it to be based on its design one would think, and if they are sucsessfull in enforceing a ruleing based on the real steel, the only guns you'll be able to buy in any of the countrys its enforcable will be public domain items(armalites, 1911s etc) or the "official" version, wich in most cases would be more expensive than better "knock off" versions.

True, but an IP is still an IP. Regardless of internal workings (be it RS or airsoft), an overall aesthetic still has legal bearing and until the Masada's aesthetic is commonly used by multiple different RS manufacturers and thereby becomes public domain, it's still Magpul's, no one else's. To that end, regardless of whether or not a pre-existing airsoft Masada has been produced, Magpul PTS has exclusive license with Magpul to reproduce the Masada in airsoft. So based solely on overall aesthetic, Magpul PTS has precedence in this case against any other Masada by any other airsoft manufacturer, unless the other replicas out there deviate significantly enough in overall aesthetic. If that were the case, then the alternate design would be considered a unique piece of IP.

But I understand what you're saying cazboab. The potential for this to be used maliciously by the likes of Cybergun et al, is highly worrisome.


QUOTE (Bareknuckle @ Jan 5 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think anyone is saying that the Madbull officially licensed stuff is overpriced or bad. Their stuff is great and actually quite cheap! It's just that for every Madbull, you have a Cybergun or Umarex that would rather buy up ACM stuff and put on (sometimes inaccurate) trademarks and jack up the price rather than doing what Madbull does and put their (great) trademarks on quality stuff. If what Madbull and Magpul are doing catches on, I can see a few more Cyberguns and Umarexs jumping into the market. That doesn't help anyone.

And while I support Magpul and Madbull, I don't support Cybergun or Umarex as the latter two are clearly in it for financial gain and care little for what is actually produced. The point that a few of us have been trying to make is, that while Cybergun and Umarex are very much the definition of licensing gone wrong, Magpul and Madbull are two companies that are doing things right (or at least appear to be earnestly trying to do so). Don't penalize Magpul for the detrimental things other companies have done to the industry. Judge them on their own actions.
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#262 User is offline   Kaworu 

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE (kodiak22 @ Jan 4 2009, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
its because Magpul took the Inititive to sign on for a training division( airsoft) that's what Magpul PTS is, an airsoft company/division( how ever you look at it) and they own the rights to produce all of Magpul USA items. i dont see Beretta having a Airsoft division. and Sig doesnt they have just rebranded TM and KJW, but lately i guess they( well Actually Swiss arms) worked with ICS for the 551, and 552( which i think was cool by them), and im not talking about trademarks here( like Cybergun and umarex) i am talking about the copyrights/patents Magpul PTS has to produce the Masada/ACR and other Magpul items.


edit: and its RX4 btw


p.s. very sorry if im sounding like a *** , im really not trying to lol


But the Beretta/Mazda RX9 biggrin.gif (or just RX4, thanks correcting me), and probably some of the replicated airsoft guns (Are Armalites actually open-domain? With only 45~50 years? Sounds strange to me...) are protected from the same laws as the Masada here.

Just because Beretta DON'T have a airsoft division isn't a good answer, sorry. Glock also has the right (copyright/patent) to produce their guns and won't gave it to anyone. Neither another weapon factory (as the case of HK and the way Classic Army payed thje royalites of the trademark), nor an airsoft company (KSC, Tokyo Marui, etc.), and people doesn't make zillions of postos discussing this.

But putting aside the fuss, better having NOW a nice discussion like this, than doesn't have it and seeing this whole thing passing by us. (PT-BR: é *fruitcage* ter palavras para escrever e não conseguir as expressar escrevendo agora /PT-BR) My only thought, for me here is why ONLY Masada and ONLY Magpul. The rest... we put aside and play airsoft. (with or without Masada)

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#263 User is offline   kodiak22 

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Posted 06 January 2009 - 12:15 AM

QUOTE (Kaworu @ Jan 5 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just because Beretta DON'T have a airsoft division isn't a good answer, sorry. Glock also has the right (copyright/patent) to produce their guns and won't gave it to anyone. Neither another weapon factory (as the case of HK and the way Classic Army payed thje royalites of the trademark), nor an airsoft company (KSC, Tokyo Marui, etc.), and people doesn't make zillions of postos discussing this.


the reason its the masada is because Magpul PTS are the only airsoft company that owns the right to make it, and the other RS companies havent done that with their products. and about Glock, that is out of context because if i remember right we were talking about buy, and using Licensed/ unlicensed replicas, not companies that don't allow their products to be made. and if if an airsoft company were to have the IP/copyrights/ patents and whatever else to make products by beretta, FN, IWI or whatever company then i would most likely do the same for them as im doing here.( and please forgive me if i dont make any sense, not the type of person to be able to properly write/say what he really means lol)

and about M4/M16 to quote UsmcCorps

QUOTE (uscmCorps @ Jan 5 2009, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
until the Masada's aesthetic is commonly used by multiple different RS manufacturers and thereby becomes public domain.


believe its that concerning them

This post has been edited by kodiak22: 06 January 2009 - 12:21 AM

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 12:19 PM

just to add to this, the real Magpul PTS one is due in april according to my local supplier, who got the news off his guy in HK (who has been appointed Magpul PTS's official agent) and will be modeled on the ACR

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 05:13 PM

bounce.gif ............... ill be even more happy when i see it.
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Posted 07 January 2009 - 08:37 PM

my only concern is the lack of news on the PTS one! maybe its going to be a big suprise! tongue.gif

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Posted 07 January 2009 - 10:05 PM

QUOTE (Svack @ Jan 7 2009, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
my only concern is the lack of news on the PTS one! maybe its going to be a big suprise! tongue.gif



once again i cant wait have loved the Masada/acr sense Shot 07, and would wait 30 years if need to finally get a one( Magpul please dotn take my 30 years seriously was just showing how much i love it biggrin.gif )
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Posted 12 January 2009 - 09:20 AM

Just a quick update on this. I should hopefully receive mine tomorrow, if it does turn up I shall provide pictures and I will also try my best to do a video as well.
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Posted 12 January 2009 - 07:07 PM

Hopefully we will have more news about the Magpul PTS ACR at this upcoming shot show.
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Posted 12 January 2009 - 07:50 PM

i cant wait to get some news from Shot biggrin.gif ........ hopefully its good news lol. only 3 days left, wish i could go there......... but im not special enough sad.gif .

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#271 User is offline   Magsz 

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 08:09 PM

QUOTE (kodiak22 @ Jan 12 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i cant wait to get some news from Shot biggrin.gif ........ hopefully its good news lol. only 3 days left, wish i could go there......... but im not special enough sad.gif .


If i have computer access while im up there i will let you guys know what i see.

Im planning on heading to the Magpul booth first and foremost when i get there.
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Posted 12 January 2009 - 08:16 PM

QUOTE (Magsz @ Jan 12 2009, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If i have computer access while im up there i will let you guys know what i see.

Im planning on heading to the Magpul booth first and foremost when i get there.



oh please do. im sure all of us would really appreciate it.
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 09:47 AM

Ok its that moment we've all bee waiting for

Here she is











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Posted 13 January 2009 - 09:48 AM














Only things I've noticed so far is

  1. Incorrect rear iron sights
  2. plastic hop up


Other than that expect a proper review when I get home from work wink.gif
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 11:44 AM

Mine arrived too! http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r7/Alex...01/100_1006.jpg

It's browner than I thought it'd be but to be honest, I'm very impressed!
Full ambi controls and working bolt relaese below the trigger guard.

A Hicap Pmag! yes!

No battery

Glossy instruction manual

Incorrect rear sight as Starmonkee said. however, it is a really nice one. the circle is tight though.

adjustable stock, folds, extends. Cheekpeice raises, doesnt come back though - i dont think... (instructions...)

really loving this. will skirmish it on sunday.
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 12:03 PM

Infact, As this is so good. I'd tell Magpul PTS to fully endorse this product! slap some trades on, work on other colours and lengths. It's ace!

My other AEG is a VFC SR16 E3 urx. The quality is just as good aesthetically! There are mold marks here and there but it's a composite rifle.
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE (alexallan @ Jan 13 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
adjustable stock, folds, extends. Cheekpeice raises, doesnt come back though - i dont think... (instructions...)

mine arrived this am aswell ,I"m also more than happy with it !
as to the cheek raiser open the stock slightly and then push the raiser back with your fingers on the two ridged sections and you should be able to then push it up and back (its very stiff at first)

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 02:08 PM

were did you all buy your masadas?
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 02:31 PM

Andy's airsoft but there was only 30 of them in stock
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Posted 13 January 2009 - 05:44 PM

Interesting that the box says ACR on it when that is clearly a Masada. Gotta love...details... biggrin.gif
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