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[GuzziHero]

Commercial post, with thanks to Marlowe.
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Thanks to a collaboration between Unreal Airsoft and Future Developments (a company owned by a veteran of the lubricants, oils and aerosol industry), we are very proud to announce the introduction of a new brand of green gas.

Kickass Gas, which will be sold only through selected outlets (Unreal Airsoft being one), is being produced right here in the UK. It has been playtested by skirmishers and has received a two thumbs up rating by all.

It comes in 750ml cans with a long fill nozzle and unlike some other manufacturers, FD ensures that you get exactly what it says on the tin. FD's extensive experience of chemical containerisation means that the cans are fully EEC regulation compliant, as you'd expect, and they have passed the required high temperature pressure tests with ease. And all this for just £7.50 per can (plus postage). Thats only 1 penny per ml!

I personally wouldnt put my name to something that was tat, but here is my experience: I took my brand new Marushin Five-seveN 6mm to the game on Sunday just gone. I put 134a in. It fired 12-14 of the 18 BBs, then vented because it was too cold. With Kickass Gas, it not only emptied the mag on a reasonably fast fire rate, but I loaded in 12 more BBs and it fired them too. This was at about 5 degrees C.

Currently I believe, Unreal is the only outlet with Kickass Gas currently available for sale. Pick it up on the eBay shop here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...%3D1&_rdc=1

All I can say is, try it for yourselves

Edit: forgot to say...we will be chrono testing this vs other types of green gas this Sunday. Results will be posted when I get them.
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Please note: Do not contact Future Developments directly to purchase this gas. They have selected their chosen suppliers and will NOT deal directly to the public.

Edited by GuzziHero, 25 February 2009 - 10:51 PM.

[thartwig]

Will we see Kickass gas (lol i thought was a joke at first) in the US?

[GuzziHero]

Not sure yet, but the manufacturers may be interested in international links once this has become established in the UK. Only time will tell.

[Isamu]

Looks good... does Unreal ship to spain? looks like I will send them a mail tomorrow... too sleepy now

[GuzziHero]

Not sure...I doubt it at this very moment, friend.

[babuka]

All I can say is, try it for yourselves

Thank's a lot!
Will try some on this weekend.

Edited by babuka, 25 February 2009 - 11:13 PM.

[galactica]

I would like to volunteer to test the cool-down on my Maruzen MP5ks

[L4byr1nth]

Will this power a Tanaka gas rifle? I currently use Winter Green Gas (American Eagle/Cybergun).

Ben.

[mrpugster]

wow something that's made in the UK ... i'm buying some just based on the name itself :-)

[fiddlesticks4220]

So, will this outshoot propane?

[Mr.Hyde]

Looking forward to see what happens with this kickass gas. I am an avid user of GBBs, and honestly propane is not doing it for me.

I have been using redgas, but the cool down is pretty bad. I've got my KWA 1911DS working well in 25 degree weather. Now with that gas system and this gas, I think we've found a way to make GBB's mainstream.

[DesertFoxRomel]

lovely name!

[Mat]

As this is in news rather than a private retail section, It would appear there's at least one other seller out there, or at least on ebay and competitively priced too. Brand new seller though and this is their first listing (and currently only), so looks like someone doing it specificaly to swll gas... but with no feedback the usual risks apply. *shrug*

I'm assuming the ebay thread you link to is yours Guzzi, I was wondering why it quotes two different prices for shipping, is the £5.99 for bulk deals?

Edited by Mat, 26 February 2009 - 06:44 AM.

[GuzziHero]

One of our players has a gas MP5K...I'll ask him to fire some through

The Tanaka...I would think so Although as I believe that this is green gas (HFC-22), I'd expect it to perform the same/similar to green gas.

Although Future Developments are not directly supplying this to the public, they are looking for overseas marketing opportunities.

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There will be another outlet (a regular airsoft store but I can't name them till they list it, really). We are just lucky that the manufacturers owner comes from the same city as Unreal Airsoft.

Edited by GuzziHero, 26 February 2009 - 06:41 AM.

[fireman]

Well if you believe that it is just green gas then it's just liquefied petroleum gas with a silcone lubricant added. As HFC-22 refrigerant gas does not exsist, but HCFC-22 does (which depletes the ozone layer so we would not be able to use it as a propellant). So what exactly is any green gas that is classified as HFC-22..... I have a material safety data sheet in front of me from a green gas manufacturer. Its states its ingrediants as 95-100% liquefied petroleum gas and 1-5% trade secret lubricant. Now LPG's for propellants can be primarily propane, primarily butane, or a blend of the two. The most common blend is 60% propane 40% butane. This blend can be adjusted for the temperature range it will be used in... more propane for winter, more butane for summer. What this tells me is this new gas may just have more propane in the mix. You say Future Developments does not deal directly with the public for sales, but being the manufacturer of the gas they should be able to provide a material safety data sheet of their product, and are required to do so by law if they try to market it in the USA.

Will it out perform straight propane.... I doubt it knowing the composition of green gas (the so called HFC-22). Straight propane would have a higher pressure and expansion then a blend of propane/butane. Hence the reason for adjusting the blend for temperature ranges. But thats going on the assumption that it uses the typical blend of LPG's. A material safety data sheet will give me all the information to give a more exact answer. So I may contact them for the MSDS.


As for red gas... never really researched into it. Possibly it is just straight propane or some other gas. As a few retailers that list in on there webpages, one has a bottle that states green gas right on the label. So like I said it may be just straight propane. If anyone has a name and contact information for a manufacturer let me know and I'll try to obtain a MSDS.

Edited by fireman, 26 February 2009 - 09:30 PM.

[L4byr1nth]

HCFC-22

The correct designation being R22.

Ben.

[GuzziHero]

Far as I know its propane and 2% silicon lube. If you are interesting in distributing it in the US, feel free to contact FD. They just will not supply end product directly to the public.

[transist]

At least it isn't named *albatross* Gas.
;D


Ohoho, how long has that wordfilter been there?

Edited by transist, 26 February 2009 - 11:58 PM.

[fireman]

The correct designation being R22.

Ben.

You are correct that R22 is one designation but it is also listed as HCFC 22, Genetron 22, and Freon 22. But enough about that.

Now if Kickass Gas is 98% propane and 2% silicone oil that would explain the better performance over other brands of green gas, as they will be a blend of Propane and Butane, in various percentages. So it should perform on par with propane using a propane adapter. The only advantage will be the premixed lube. What it will boil down to is cost. If it still costs the same as other brands of green gas. Then I will stick to my propane adapter and the extra step of adding silicone oil.

No not interested in being a distributor, but I do know some people that might. I'm interested in the technical side of things ever since the whole green gas is propane debates, etc.

If it does give better performance than the currently available gas in the US, it will be welcomed. One question, do you know if it has a US department of transportation approved container? That will be a deciding factor on if it will be available in the US.

[Chris North]

Am I correct in assuming that commercially canned propane in the UK is about 6 GPB? I can see the attraction then.

Does this stuff have any foul smell, or is it the usual flowery green gas scent?