TSI Armories Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Yes to both questions. In order to avoid additional R&D costs, the AEG is the platform on which all the new development is done. The final configuration for the GBB model will be "packaged" into the same shell, and should have about 80% commonality parts wise with the AEG. Link to post Share on other sites
bknewcomb Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I wish Guy was a master joker and I would get a package at the end of the week. I am quite interested in seeing what everyone does with their Tavors when we all get them. The Ares review thread has some interesting setups. I notice one of the RS Tavors in one of the pictures has a vert. foregrip. Who woulda thought? Link to post Share on other sites
FallenGuard Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I coudn't resist anymore and preordered a CTAR now Link to post Share on other sites
GaMeFrEAK1018 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I'd love to pre-order one, but I'd really like to have an externally-fed (don't mind rigs -- already have one for some BV guns) GBB rifle. So until I know the details of the GBB mech, I'm going to have to hold off. My dream gun is a GBB Tavor with externally fed gas and working bolt catch (PTW mags or new TM M4 mags could aid in this). Ohhhh man, what a skirmish piece that kinda gun could be. Please make it happen, TSI! Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 There have been bolt catch systems that worked on slightly modified AEG mags, in fact most of the Escort 416s have this mechanism, I wouldn't worry about it. Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 I'd love to pre-order one, but I'd really like to have an externally-fed (don't mind rigs -- already have one for some BV guns) GBB rifle. So until I know the details of the GBB mech, I'm going to have to hold off. My dream gun is a GBB Tavor with externally fed gas and working bolt catch (PTW mags or new TM M4 mags could aid in this). Ohhhh man, what a skirmish piece that kinda gun could be. Please make it happen, TSI! Why would you want a state of the art assault rifle with tube attached to gas bottle that you have to carry around when you can have a self-contained CO2 mag? I don't get it. Does the gas bottle and tube unnaturally stuck to the rifle look cool? Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 No, its just alot better then a gas in mag design. Link to post Share on other sites
FallenGuard Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Maybe not the right place to put this - but wouldn't it be possible to design a "Magazine" that allows for an external Rig? It would be like a regular M4 GBB Magazine. At the Bottom it has a connector for the Hose. The BB Supply could come from a smaller insert, similar to the AEP Magazines. This way, the Gas-in-Mag and the external Supply (which has advantages) could coexist... Link to post Share on other sites
GaMeFrEAK1018 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Why would you want a state of the art assault rifle with tube attached to gas bottle that you have to carry around when you can have a self-contained CO2 mag? I don't get it. Does the gas bottle and tube unnaturally stuck to the rifle look cool? Consistency, my friend. As well as adjustability. I don't mind the hose or small tank. I have a coiled one attached to a PPS regulator and it never gets in the way and never goes taught, since the coiled format stretches pretty far. No, its just alot better then a gas in mag design. Thank you! Maybe not the right place to put this - but wouldn't it be possible to design a "Magazine" that allows for an external Rig? It would be like a regular M4 GBB Magazine. At the Bottom it has a connector for the Hose. The BB Supply could come from a smaller insert, similar to the AEP Magazines. This way, the Gas-in-Mag and the external Supply (which has advantages) could coexist... Either way, you'd have a hose running to the gun. It's better to just use the mag's internal real estate for more BBs. You can already do this fairly easily to the GBB mags. In fact, in some of the YouTube videos of these GiM GBBr's, the tester has a hose running to the mag from an external source so that he can fire past ~50 shots to demonstrate the gun. Thing is, is it worth it for a mag with only 30-60 rounds? Not really. Link to post Share on other sites
bbstriker Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Consistency, my friend. As well as adjustability. I don't mind the hose or small tank. I have a coiled one attached to a PPS regulator and it never gets in the way and never goes taught, since the coiled format stretches pretty far. Thank you! Either way, you'd have a hose running to the gun. It's better to just use the mag's internal real estate for more BBs. You can already do this fairly easily to the GBB mags. In fact, in some of the YouTube videos of these GiM GBBr's, the tester has a hose running to the mag from an external source so that he can fire past ~50 shots to demonstrate the gun. Thing is, is it worth it for a mag with only 30-60 rounds? Not really. That's what i thought. With a 30 or 50 round self-contained GBB mag why would you want an antiquated gas bottle and tube attached? Please Please Please Please TSI Armouries- follow WE's example and produce a self contained CO2 mag and keep it as close to real as possible. WE's Propane amd CO2 Mag works extremely well proving that the technology has evolved and moved forward! Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Because antiquated hoses and tanks make me feel like a sexual tyrannosaurus! Grawr! Also, I don't just play in the summer months, but also in the spring and autumn, and even, get this, in the winter. Link to post Share on other sites
GaMeFrEAK1018 Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Also, I don't just play in the summer months, but also in the spring and autumn, and even, get this, in the winter. Likewise. Propane and winter? ....not good bedfellows. Link to post Share on other sites
darkhold Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Why would you want a state of the art assault rifle with tube attached to gas bottle that you have to carry around when you can have a self-contained CO2 mag? I don't get it. Does the gas bottle and tube unnaturally stuck to the rifle look cool? because you can then buy ANY STANAG AEG magazine you want, not just gas mags that cost >$50 apiece. Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Not to mention the fact that GIM has power issues, depending on the external system I can set the power to the legal velocity of the field. I also don't have to deal with cool down, leaky mags, or carrying a propane bottle or dingly co2 capsals to refill my $40 mag that dosen't even work properly. Our antiquated system has proven itself to be effective for over two decades, some people won't even touch gbb pistols. Not to mention that my antiquated bv rifle outshoots most anything I encounter on the field and it's older than I am (23). Now when I see a gbb rifle that can come out of the box and shoot well for 20 years then I'll consider external gas antiquated. So TSI if your R&D dept. Has brains in their skulls they will make the tavor externally powered. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Not to mention the fact that GIM has power issues, depending on the external system I can set the power to the legal velocity of the field. I also don't have to deal with cool down, leaky mags, or carrying a propane bottle or dingly co2 capsals to refill my $40 mag that dosen't even work properly. Our antiquated system has proven itself to be effective for over two decades, some people won't even touch gbb pistols. Not to mention that my antiquated bv rifle outshoots most anything I encounter on the field and it's older than I am (23). Now when I see a gbb rifle that can come out of the box and shoot well for 20 years then I'll consider external gas antiquated. So TSI if your R&D dept. Has brains in their skulls they will make the tavor externally powered. TSI will probably first and foremost look at it from a sales stand point. How many gas in mag systems vs. external rig systems they'd be able to sell. That's factoring the high popularity of gas in mag rifles nowadays (WE, WA, GHK) plus the potential for law enforcement and military training sales (which, let's all admit, are very unlikely to be accepting of an external system). The external rig BV style system, while a simpler and more reliable system, is more popular amongst the niche classic airsoft crowd. Just looking at it from just a numbers standpoint, which gas system do you think they'd sell more of? Because from a business point of view, it just makes sense to R&D and sell the system that'll see better sales. Even though the choice might seem to be obvious from where you're sitting, they may have different priorities. You can't make everyone happy, but if you can make the majority happy, then your sales will hopefully reflect that. So the question is, are the classic airsofters the majority or the minority when it comes to potential buyers of a drop in gas system for their Tavor? My gut says minority. Which probably means their R&D dept. are using their brains in their skulls for the system that'll sell more units. Kinda makes sense doesn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
bknewcomb Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Anyone know what the approximate weight of this rifle will be? Link to post Share on other sites
Sayeret Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 6.85 lbs Link to post Share on other sites
TSI Armories Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 That was actually a typo in the original press release - the actual weight is 8.65lbs Link to post Share on other sites
sixblade Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 any new news? Perhaps some pictures of the non prototype shell to hold us over Link to post Share on other sites
TSI Armories Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 How about me shooting it last weekend instead? For those who wonder about the gun/human proportions, I am a very compact 5'8" Link to post Share on other sites
bknewcomb Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Oh.... Teasing is not nice! What are we at now, 3-5 weeks to go? Link to post Share on other sites
Agent47 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 How about me shooting it last weekend instead? For those who wonder about the gun/human proportions, I am a very compact 5'8" holy ###### that thing is huge, you need like an NBA player to make it look proportional...(or are my eyes tricking me?) (user is 5' 9") Link to post Share on other sites
Kipper Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Woah.. I thought It was a little thing. That's a lot bigger than I imagined. Link to post Share on other sites
TSI Armories Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 The gun is 683mm long - the same size as an AKSU... Link to post Share on other sites
bknewcomb Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 the Ares does look fairly small when people handle it. But that is a STAR with extras. Wonder what they look like side by side. (course, that would be CTAR's instead ) EDIT: Will say the camara angle is kinda odd too Link to post Share on other sites
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