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[happy.al]

Check out the new models COMING SOON at the end

http://www.youtube.com/user/daytonagasblowback

Justines Website will be http://www.daytonagun.com
Not currenly live


Taken from

http://classicairsoft.org/forum/viewtopic....f=2&t=11060

[frogfish]

HOLY CANNOLI AN FNC!!!!

[Horsem4n]

you mean "HOLY CANNOLI A $5,000,000 FNC!!!!"

its all limited production. cept his AKs.

Edited by Horsem4n, 04 March 2009 - 02:19 PM.

[frogfish]

His AKs are limited production, the receivers are all stamped xx/20.... I've commissioned him to do one ofs for me before, and I'm not to concerned about his price as they usually never go over $1,600, his work is worth it. I also can't wait for my M249's new gearbox. I've just never seen his FNC or FAL.

Edited by frogfish, 04 March 2009 - 02:28 PM.

[my_plague_666]

woah! GBB SLR! that would be win.
i wonder if he'll start doing drop in kits for AKs and AR15s as well. obviously they wont be as good as the proper systems but i'm sure he'd get loads of interest from people who want to give classics a try but want a system that they can swap between guns and that wont cost the earth and require permanent mods. remember how much interest that escort mechbox prototype got?
it'd certainly be a wise move IMO, i'm sure anyone that could afford a proper conversion would pay for one over the drop in, while the drop in would cater for those slightly less well off.

[planeman]

That M733 is mine

Mike

[ErikBobbo]

He told me 900USD + donor for an AK, so quality costs...

[alexishere2008]

I'm going to get a GBB custom done by him. Good stuff worth the money.

[harborne blue]

Guess it depends how excited you get about backwards evolution but external power sources? No thanks! They've really missed the boat with the AK as well - there's an excellent Kalash conversion kit been around for some time.

Not for me - I'll wait for the next gen from WE etc. with all the bugs ironed out.

[Panzergraf]

Well his AK's have been out longer than the GHK kit, FYI.

I've got a 416 on his worktable, it's gonna be sweet getting it when it's done


IMHO, external > Gas In Mag, any day.

[happy.al]

Guess it depends how excited you get about backwards evolution but external power sources? No thanks! They've really missed the boat with the AK as well - there's an excellent Kalash conversion kit been around for some time.

Not for me - I'll wait for the next gen from WE etc. with all the bugs ironed out.

External Gas isn't for everyone, especially when it costs this type of money. If anyone liked the same thing it would be a very boring world.

It’s well worth it for me, and looking around some others too, and isn’t it nice to see new stuff being brought out, even if it doesn’t really interest you?

[my_plague_666]

They've really missed the boat with the AK as well - there's an excellent Kalash conversion kit been around for some time.

so having a hard kicking, reliable AK with no cooldown is missing the boat? this came out before the GHK, which is very flawed, suffers from all the usual GBB problems and has proprietary mags with a low capacity (not an issue for me, but a turn off for some) and that cost the earth to have a full setup.

[my_plague_666]

double post

Edited by my_plague_666, 05 March 2009 - 04:53 PM.

[frogfish]

External air has so many advantages over in the mag/in the weapon systems it's not even funny. Most (Escort based) GBB classics are built solidly, use cheap AEG mags, have NO cooldown, can run on HPA in below freezing temps, which means you get even more shots/gas than greengas/whatever funky smelling combustible fuel you want to call it. Plus even weak GBB classics would beat the socks off of an in the mags' recoil.

The only drawback that people complain about is the external rig, and it's usually one of two things. First "I don't have anywhere to put it" simple solution, your carrying to much *suitcase* lighten the load anyway. Second "I can't ditch my weapon when I want to because I'm attached to it" well if your an idiot and permanently attached your rig to your weapon, that's your fault, but for all of us who actually read you can use quick detach fittings that are common and cheap, and then using the rig is NO DIFFERENT THAN WEARING A SLING.

Seriously the only valid argument against them is that parts can be hard to come by, but then again these parts just don't break that often to worry about it, and all use standard O-ring sizes that you can pick up at the local hardware store.

Personally I would prefer someone furthering the BV system and LRBs as those truly preform, I mean we're talking ridiculous fps sniper rifle performance at CQB safe velocities, and ROF so fast it'd give most support weapons a run for their money. But mags can be hard to come by (not really if you know where to look) and parts can be hard to find (if they break, and again uses standard size O-rings).

Edited by frogfish, 05 March 2009 - 05:08 PM.

[KTcerberus]

I commissioned him to build the XM110 in the video, and yeah $5000 is a big exaggeration. Final price on the XM110 was around 1700USD. Classics win over gas-in-mag guns any day.

[kken]

let's keep this on topic and stay away from external/GIM jihads. either you have jesus in your heart or you don't.

anyone else but me notice that bizon?

man i am hoping to get my CA XM177 converted to escort this year... i'm going back to gas.

[ThaFlash]

I'm a little annoyed that he uses low end guns as a base.
The Kalash AK has a good body, I like it actually
The A&K support weapons are considerable cheaper than alternatives, so I'll give that a pass.

But I see him using a lot of DBoys M4's as bases. To me that's just uninviting. He's getting these things much cheaper in HK, an extra $150 to use G&P's would be more inviting.

I know he can mod whatever I'd want to send to him, but having the completed product available to purchase would win over more people.

[frogfish]

He's not in it for mass production so it dosen't make sense to have replicas available in stock when the average user isn't going to drop 1k for something that isn't exactly what they wanted. This is very small scale boutique shop not like G&P, his stuff isn't for everyone, it is for those who like it and can afford it.

He uses D-boys replicas as we are all cheap, not everyone want's to spend the extra $150 when they are already spending 1k. If you want something better it's available, but you have to make up the difference in price.

But you've already stated that you knew that... So why are you complaining about something that is a non-issue?

[brooklyn]

oh my god,all the guns look pretty grate

[ThaFlash]

But you've already stated that you knew that... So why are you complaining about something that is a non-issue?

Because I would think that when you're offering a product at $1500 another $100-$200 is not a killer, especially when the difference in quality is going to be very noticeable. It's just that, with all the options available, I just don't get why a DBoys M4 to start.

And the conversion market is a very different market, people who know what it's all about, people who have paid the money before to have parts machined are going to be much more particular.

I saw this a being an effort to attract those who are willing to pay more for something cool, but would want it high end all around.

For example, if I were to want one, I'd want something that would be great out of the box and all around. If I had to go out of my way just to get a good shell, it could dissuade me. But my though is based on the idea that this is an attempt to go more mainstream. If it's not, then whatever; everything I have said is a non-issue.