Tokyo Marui M4A1 Socom Carbine

[iZo]

Hi,

For my first post an exciting news from Tokyo Marui : a M4A1 Socom Carbine, with the same blowback system than the SOPMOD. No RIS frontset and a classic 6-position stock. The Mini-S type battery 8.4V 1300 mAh goes in the handguard.

 

 

 

Price 52,290.00 JPY = 529$.

 

Taken from Airsoftnews.fr & Tokyo-marui.

[apmaman]

awesomesauce to say the least

[Pendra]

An other M4, that is soo exciting! And the mags are different, and the nozzle and the gearbox, yet the motor is still not caged. Again, so exciting.

Now I'm sad...

[TheFull9]

Cool stuff, nice to have the option of keeping a more standard battery in the front with the new system at least, should hopefully open up the customisation options for people.

[Warning]

i thought o noes another M4 and then i actually bothered to look and its another EBB AEG, so its forgiven tbh if i had the money i would get one of these rather than the other Marui EBB M4 simply cause of the battery connector

[Isamu]

is it more expensive than the sopmod? I must be getting old :S

[NeoVeNoM]

i thought o noes another M4 and then i actually bothered to look and its another EBB AEG, so its forgiven tbh if i had the money i would get one of these rather than the other Marui EBB M4 simply cause of the battery connector

 

Urm EBB? the electric blowback usually refers to the dustcover right? this thing has recoil.

We need a new abbreviation!

 

R-AEG?

[Horse]

REAEG

 

Recoil Engine AEG

[Azulsky]

G for Gimmick

[John Dee]

Don't knock it before you have tried it. The SOPMOD is a blood good gun out of the box

[my_plague_666]

how long until they make an M16A1?

good to see they ditched the stupid proprietary battery

[Richard Y]

lol typical just got my sopmod today lol

 

nah this is greatnews they need this engine in all there new guns its that good

 

PLUS this means more chance for replacement aftermarket parts

 

wonder what version they will call it.

[Azulsky]

This just introduces more moving parts to an already terribly flawed system.

[fiddlesticks4220]

maby if they can do this at 350 and make it more upgradeable (when a part breaks u r screwed) it says version 2 maby that means version 2 gearbox as well?

[Richard Y]

its an enhanced version 2 i was just hoping for parts and upgrade parts sake they would give it a name.

 

it adds a couple of parts to the system a bar goes from the piston to move the weight block....

 

it should be slightly cheaper but only a little

[NeoVeNoM]

This just introduces more moving parts to an already terribly flawed system.

 

 

Based on? personal experience? do tell!

[Shinden]

I didn't expect the website to be up, but wow this was fast. Anyways, this should keep most people who wanted the stock to be changed on the previous version. I'll be waiting to see a lot of these guns to be on the field soon when more internal parts and upgrades are more official. Still yet, at this rate of TM's guns, the newer models should surprise most players in the near future.

[Richard Y]

you know forgetting all the arguments about price and the recoil and blowbak feature

 

holding my sopmod m4 right now and also in the shop while holding a new Gbb m4 too, the sopmod feels so spot on i dont know how to express to you that simply holding it you realise how much of a step up this gun is over a normal tm gun. im luving the new guns hopefully they keep rolling them out..

[Hammerfall]

Some chap was out skirmishing his for the first time at my site a few weeks back and it went kaput after a couple of games. I didn't care to ask what went wrong with it though. Anyway, it is good to see that marui are still churning guns out, suppose this is a welcome enough edition.

[renegadecow]

More so than seeing new models, I'm sure what everyone is waiting for is a third party manufacturer to start making parts for this thing. Thats the lone deciding factor why I opted to get a GBB M4 first, to see if parts for the recoil engine might follow.

[Azulsky]

Based on? personal experience? do tell!

 

They never even got the version 2 gearbox "right". Now they are onto a new V2 and from what i have read on the thread in the review section a few people got lemons, any upgrades seems to break them, no one has put them through the abuse that normal AEG's have been through.

A. I should not have to put alot of money into upgrading a system that costs this much, Anak says SOPMODS are breaking while still under the 1J limit over in Japan with simple things like FETs

B. They need to cage the damn motor, make the grip too big, doesnt matter, if systema and now china can do it, they certainly can do it, if people start buying this the whole industry will retool to make parts for the specification

C. Blowback is gimmicky to me from what i have seen in every video of the gun, there is not enough energy thrown around in the receiver to even tickle me, not after firing an Escort

D. People claim that accuracy is great, which to me means there cant be much recoil worth speaking of if it isnt moving around enough to upset the accuracy.

 

I do like the notion of the magazines being stopped when its empty, the feature of all bb's feeding has been accomplished with normal mags for a while

I did like the battery compartment on the SOPMOD i just wish we werent stuck with *suitcasey* Marui type batteries

 

I would rather have the above feature list with a gearbox that can take a world of hurt before a marketing gimmick that is trying to keep up with gas rifles.

[Richard Y]

They never even got the version 2 gearbox "right". Now they are onto a new V2 and from what i have read on the thread in the review section a few people got lemons, any upgrades seems to break them, no one has put them through the abuse that normal AEG's have been through.

A. I should not have to put alot of money into upgrading a system that costs this much, Anak says SOPMODS are breaking while still under the 1J limit over in Japan with simple things like FETs

B. They need to cage the damn motor, make the grip too big, doesnt matter, if systema and now china can do it, they certainly can do it, if people start buying this the whole industry will retool to make parts for the specification

C. Blowback is gimmicky to me from what i have seen in every video of the gun, there is not enough energy thrown around in the receiver to even tickle me, not after firing an Escort

D. People claim that accuracy is great, which to me means there cant be much recoil worth speaking of if it isnt moving around enough to upset the accuracy.

 

I do like the notion of the magazines being stopped when its empty, the feature of all bb's feeding has been accomplished with normal mags for a while

I did like the battery compartment on the SOPMOD i just wish we werent stuck with *suitcasey* Marui type batteries

 

I would rather have the above feature list with a gearbox that can take a world of hurt before a marketing gimmick that is trying to keep up with gas rifles.

 

thats all prity rubbish dude why is it trying to keep up with gbbs its simply the same as any airsoft gun trying to attain the most realism as possible, gbbs are simply easyier to make and design becuase they dont have to be built around a gearbox

 

the version 2 gearbox is fine when you know how to use it..

 

its a restricted space, they can only do so much with the space they have, thats why the motor doesnt have a cage, the ptw had to design a whole new motor just to do this. and the systema revolution brand new still doesnt use a cage.. why becuase they are doing the best with the space they have. when they design the gun to perfection like tm does the motor stays in place it doesnt need to be caged

 

every aeg breaks i hate all you nay sayers righting off the whole gun just becuase a couple have broken think about how many have sold and a couple have broken lol oh no quick send them all back.

 

ive fired the latest gbb m4s and ak offerings, theres more recoil but not that much more.. i personaly think the recoil amount is fine, i accutaully dont think id want any more after all, im there to take out the enemy and shot bbs, not stand and talk about whos gun recoils the most. and everyone elses gas kicks out from the cold my guns still working.

 

videos of the guns, read in reviews, how about you go into your local shop pick one up fire one then get back to me..

 

 

 

[CoolHeart_ASN]

Hohoho!!! With the 11" barrel, the short handguard and the old style stock... i´ve got my wished m933!! (yeah! i know that i need the m16a2 lower...)

[Permian]

They never even got the version 2 gearbox "right". Now they are onto a new V2 and from what i have read on the thread in the review section a few people got lemons, any upgrades seems to break them, no one has put them through the abuse that normal AEG's have been through.

A. I should not have to put alot of money into upgrading a system that costs this much, Anak says SOPMODS are breaking while still under the 1J limit over in Japan with simple things like FETs

B. They need to cage the damn motor, make the grip too big, doesnt matter, if systema and now china can do it, they certainly can do it, if people start buying this the whole industry will retool to make parts for the specification

C. Blowback is gimmicky to me from what i have seen in every video of the gun, there is not enough energy thrown around in the receiver to even tickle me, not after firing an Escort

D. People claim that accuracy is great, which to me means there cant be much recoil worth speaking of if it isnt moving around enough to upset the accuracy.

 

I do like the notion of the magazines being stopped when its empty, the feature of all bb's feeding has been accomplished with normal mags for a while

I did like the battery compartment on the SOPMOD i just wish we werent stuck with *suitcasey* Marui type batteries

 

I would rather have the above feature list with a gearbox that can take a world of hurt before a marketing gimmick that is trying to keep up with gas rifles.

 

Have to say that after trying a WA M4 and Tm SOPMOD i can see one of your points but the rest are weak.

 

Yeah the V2 gearbox is fundamentally flawed, but that hasn't stopped it being the heart of the most popular line of AEGs out there. How many people have had lemons with a standard M4, MP5, G3 after a few thousand rounds? Plenty. Equally if you open up a system designed to operate as standard and introducing components outside the designed tolerances you're asking for a degree of trouble.

 

Can you point me to the Chinasoft M4 that has a caged motor? Excluding the Vapourware PTW's? Theres not enough room in the pistol grip, and the reality is that a caged motor is only a benefit for maintenance/ease of takedown. Threadlock negates the need for it is with a properly fitted motor plate.

 

I agree that Blowback is a gimmick, but i've yet to see a WA M4 work reliably in less than 10 degrees, which pretty much eliminates most of Europe and N. America (even Japan) during winter as a potential play zone. This system adds a physical feeling of light blowback, not as much as the WA - but then the WA is still miles off a real rifle.

 

Accuracy is what you make of it. I like the new concepts; the magazines, the new battery system is easy to use, the whole feeling that its a really solid AEG.

 

For TM its an in between system, using portion of their existing stock of parts and components - rather important as they probably don't have alot of cash spare for R&D at present (who does?).

 

I was torn between the SOPMOD and a few other options. I did not got for the SOPMOD in the end, but will probably buy one later on in the year as its a great skirmish package.

 

[Azulsky]

Have to say that after trying a WA M4 and Tm SOPMOD i can see one of your points but the rest are weak.

 

Yeah the V2 gearbox is fundamentally flawed, but that hasn't stopped it being the heart of the most popular line of AEGs out there. How many people have had lemons with a standard M4, MP5, G3 after a few thousand rounds? Plenty. Equally if you open up a system designed to operate as standard and introducing components outside the designed tolerances you're asking for a degree of trouble.

 

Can you point me to the Chinasoft M4 that has a caged motor? Excluding the Vapourware PTW's? Theres not enough room in the pistol grip, and the reality is that a caged motor is only a benefit for maintenance/ease of takedown. Threadlock negates the need for it is with a properly fitted motor plate.

 

I agree that Blowback is a gimmick, but i've yet to see a WA M4 work reliably in less than 10 degrees, which pretty much eliminates most of Europe and N. America (even Japan) during winter as a potential play zone. This system adds a physical feeling of light blowback, not as much as the WA - but then the WA is still miles off a real rifle.

 

Accuracy is what you make of it. I like the new concepts; the magazines, the new battery system is easy to use, the whole feeling that its a really solid AEG.

 

For TM its an in between system, using portion of their existing stock of parts and components - rather important as they probably don't have alot of cash spare for R&D at present (who does?).

 

I was torn between the SOPMOD and a few other options. I did not got for the SOPMOD in the end, but will probably buy one later on in the year as its a great skirmish package.

 

 

The chinasoft PTW have been officially announced by A&K and there is a thread on the first page of the news forum, maybe 2nd page by now. There is plenty of room to wind a motor in the pistol grip, for some reason we have been sticking to Marui's design for years.

 

And apparently you have never seen the damage from a motor riding up the bevel gear on a locked up v2 mech, has happened to a good number of the original clone guns with wood screw held piston heads. The motor cage on the other gearboxes holds it in alignment in all planes of motion. The retarded excuse for a motor cage you call a pistol grip does little to nothing, there is plenty of room for the motor to torque around inside the grip.

 

This apparently wont do well in cold weather either because its got the same *suitcasey* front end as the original v2 so you just smacked yourself there bub.

 

Like i said reports are increasing of these guns breaking at stock power levels from just a FET or upgraded battery.

 

How is accuracy what i make of it, its not an abstract concept, you either can hit the guy at 200 feet or you cant, gun doesnt make the player but i need to expect the gun to operate to a degree of precision so i can meet it halfway.

 

Its all a gimmick, i can think of much better ways to drop this kind of cash. Hell i can go put together about as good of an AK,G36,P90 as i need to with that amount of money. As far as writing off the mechbox due to the motor, its the one thing you cant fix. All the other guns can be tuned to the degree that the piston needs to be replaced every 100K rounds, everything else inside looks just as good as the day it was installed. V2 mechs can have hours spent just sitting there and tuning the motor until the sounds of a cat being run through a wood chipper get tuned down.

 

New concepts are great but when they would rather do that than give us durability my head just explodes.