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[Frontiers]

KART is making SAIGA-12 with fixed stock and skeleton stock!!! release date in 2 months, metal body i was too tired to make anything watermarks but these obviously are not the real model pictures but factory gave me these ones!also they plan to make after that GALIL SAR! will be a good year for KART!

Edited by Frontiers, 22 April 2009 - 06:57 AM.

[thartwig]

Lol, i didnt know there was a SAIGA crowd. If there is they probably havent heard yet. As for a Galil, the only way it'll sell is if its cheap and/or has the working thumb selector.

[m35reo]

if the saiga is a semi auto shottie like it should be, then cool as hell! if it takes shells etc. but im guessing its an aeg? which wont cut it at all for me
look forward to being proved wrong on that.

[renegadecow]

Well Karts only made AEGs so far so I doubt there would be any major leaps in engineering on this one. Unless it has a custom sector gear that has three nubs to chamber thrice on a single revolution giving you a semi-auto shotgun AEG, at least thats how I'd tackle it.

[Frontiers]

well atleast its something new, not the easy way out to make some M4 or normal AK set. those we have millions...

[babuka]

Wow! This is something new...

P.S. Abit ugly???

[Pendra]

If you load 3 BBs the FPS / BB will go down to 1/3. That leaves you with a gun that shoots 3 BBs at ~120 FPS. For some odd reason I feel it will be a pump shot shotgun. Just look at the forward grip.

[renegadecow]

I have to point out that mass is not directly correlated to velocity when equating from a constant energy output.
A gun shooting at 1J will send a .20g bb at about 328fps.
Tripling the weight to .60g (3 bbs) will send each projectile flying at 188fps.

[Pariah_WP]

There are other 3 BB firing shotguns that do not have 120FPS. As a matter of fact I have actually used one that shoots around 300FPS (might have been more, but 300 for sure). I hope it is like those. An AEG would be nice too...if it had a BB spread it would be fantastic!

[DarkLite]

If you load 3 BBs the FPS / BB will go down to 1/3. That leaves you with a gun that shoots 3 BBs at ~120 FPS. For some odd reason I feel it will be a pump shot shotgun. Just look at the forward grip.

Erm, that's the Real Steel Saiga.

[Pendra]

I have to point out that mass is not directly correlated to velocity when equating from a constant energy output.
A gun shooting at 1J will send a .20g bb at about 328fps.
Tripling the weight to .60g (3 bbs) will send each projectile flying at 188fps.

Didn't do the math, stupid me. However, the point is, the FPS would be pretty low.

[Frontiers]

Didn't do the math, stupid me. However, the point is, the FPS would be pretty low.

does it always need to be 450+fps? those speeds anyways you cannot play pretty much anywhere without downgrading things

[MotoSam]

It had better be multi shot, triple barrel would be best, based around a 3 shot hop unit as in the tm shotties, having looked at the guts of those, it could be done with an aeg, but I won't be getting excited until they confirm its been done properly, single barrel will raise legality issues here with the 1 joule legal limit, so we would be looking at 1/3 of a joule per bb maximum, unless its multi-barrel.

Edit: Having looked at the image above, that is a pump system if ever I saw one, rather than one of the semi auto only models.

Edited by MotoSam, 22 April 2009 - 03:50 PM.

[Pendra]

The 3 barrel idea is problematic. The volume of the air inside the cylinder equals to the volume of 600-650mm long inner barrel. So if you add 3 barrels they can be 200mm each, maximum. Otherwise you will have vacum and suckback inside the inner barrels. However, given the nature of the gun, you will not require any kind of accuracy.
I think 3 crappy Chinese short alu barrels, cheap .12s, no hopup and double load mech, with a 1.5-1.7J spring is destined to result extreme scattering at like 10-15m. You can send 60 BBs down range in a sec (6BBx10 rps) without any accuracy.

Edited by Pendra, 22 April 2009 - 04:54 PM.

[chownsy]

The 3 barrel idea is problematic. The volume of the air inside the cylinder equals to the volume of 600-650mm long inner barrel. So if you add 3 barrels they can be 200mm each, maximum. Otherwise you will have vacum and suckback inside the inner barrels. However, given the nature of the gun, you will not require any kind of accuracy.
I think 3 crappy Chinese short alu barrels, cheap .12s, no hopup and double load mech, with a 1.5-1.7J spring is destined to result extreme scattering at like 10-15m. You can send 60 BBs down range in a sec (6BBx10 rps) without any accuracy.

you say that about the suck back, well PDI's vacumn piston (for snipers) was designed to eliminate that, do the same to the AEG' piston and it would prevent that. thus allowing 3 longer barrels.

Edited by chownsy, 22 April 2009 - 05:40 PM.

[Robinio]

Hey guys, maybe its a GBB or GNB? think about that to, or shell ejecting like some shotguns..,

[chownsy]

Hey guys, maybe its a GBB or GNB? think about that to, or shell ejecting like some shotguns..,

if it was Shell ejecting it would be FTW

[chas]

How about semi-auto gas?

[chas]

Sorry abou this double-post. the site is doing strange things lately.

Edited by chas, 22 April 2009 - 07:58 PM.

[Victory]

If it's an AEG, I would:

-Lower the FPS
-Increase the ROF
-Add a MOSFET w/Burst Capability

-Vic