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 May 7 2009, 03:21 AM
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Again, a catalogue came with ARMY R27 MEU
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May 7 2009, 03:32 AM
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Adv Member Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 56,232 Country: United States  |
Interesting.... would anyone else agree ARMY=TM for cheap b*******? Well, despite definitive quality differences.
That is really actually interesting. I thought it would only be a matter of time before someone copied (I assume) the TM SOPMOD gearbox/blowback (Again, I assume) design and well, I guess its in the works. I myself, hope for the best (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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May 7 2009, 03:40 AM
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 no you Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,311 Joined: 21-August 06 From: Outside of your peripheral vision Member No.: 26,263 Country: United States |
errrrr... the TM sopmod cant even handle an M120 for too long. wonder how the army will do? i definitely want to get one though....
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May 7 2009, 03:43 AM
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Army is surely on the ball...
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May 7 2009, 03:51 AM
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QUOTE (AdmittingSword @ May 7 2009, 03:32 AM)  Interesting.... would anyone else agree ARMY=TM for cheap b*******? Well, despite definitive quality differences. That is really actually interesting. I thought it would only be a matter of time before someone copied (I assume) the TM SOPMOD gearbox/blowback (Again, I assume) design and well, I guess its in the works. I myself, hope for the best (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) If the Army L85A1 is any precedence to go by, it can't be all that bad. Erik. |
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May 7 2009, 04:00 AM
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what happened with that whole TM patented the recoil engine thing.....well I guess Chinese clone never really cared..
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May 7 2009, 05:13 AM
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Since when have people been able to secure patents outside of china, that would actually stop the chinese from cloning?
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May 7 2009, 06:05 AM
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What will be interesting is what mag system will it use. The only thing that held me back from getting the new TM M4 was that it would effectively mean all my other magazines were useless. I wonder if Army will use the standard type or clone the TM new design.
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May 7 2009, 06:08 AM
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 The King of Parellel Parking Group: Regular Poster Posts: 569 Joined: 7-April 07 From: Minneapolis, Minnesota USA Member No.: 37,120 Country: United States |
they will clone the new design. As that allows the use of the bolt catch.
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May 7 2009, 06:11 AM
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Regular Poster Group: Regular Poster Posts: 759 Joined: 28-July 05 From: West Point, New York Member No.: 8,836 Country: United States |
Well IMO that makes this kind of a waste. Without some way to use the 20-30 M-type mags I have already (an adapter system like that for G36's for instance) I could never justify this thing.
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May 7 2009, 06:23 AM
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 Yes, commander, my hat is large and my cloak is billowing. Group: Forum Regular Posts: 8,727 Joined: 5-January 05 From: Edinburgh Member No.: 3,438 Country: United Kingdom |
Given the TM is unreliable as hell, eeeeeh. Eeeeeeeeh.
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May 7 2009, 06:26 AM
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QUOTE (DarkLite @ May 7 2009, 02:23 AM) Given the TM is unreliable as hell, eeeeeh. Eeeeeeeeh. Funny, that's not what the thread on here indicates. -------------------- Army strong. Kind of. More like Army Mostly Motivated.
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May 7 2009, 07:18 AM
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no you Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,311 Joined: 21-August 06 From: Outside of your peripheral vision Member No.: 26,263 Country: United States |
yeah, the only problem i ever heard of was the stock tube stripping its threads under the blowback weight of an M120.
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May 7 2009, 07:35 AM
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I didn't expect it so soon :|
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May 7 2009, 07:46 AM
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Hear! Hear! Though I love the battery installation feature. I hope this becomes a standard among other AEG makers for rear-wired gearboxes and cranestocks. I presume if Army goes through with this, they'll have the same battery feature.
Though the TM AKS74U with recoil engine is far more reliable than the TM M4 SOPMOD and I love it. QUOTE (DarkLite @ May 7 2009, 07:23 AM) Given the TM is unreliable as hell, eeeeeh. Eeeeeeeeh. |
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May 7 2009, 07:57 AM
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Yes, commander, my hat is large and my cloak is billowing. Group: Forum Regular Posts: 8,727 Joined: 5-January 05 From: Edinburgh Member No.: 3,438 Country: United Kingdom |
QUOTE (PlasticMag @ May 7 2009, 07:26 AM) Funny, that's not what the thread on here indicates. I've seen three in person, and all three failed. All three were stock. QUOTE (Horsem4n @ May 7 2009, 08:18 AM) yeah, the only problem i ever heard of was the stock tube stripping its threads under the blowback weight of an M120. Or the semi auto not working. Or the gear train jamming itself solid. Or both semi and full auto not working. Seems to be the most common issue I've seen and heard about. -------------------- Perks: {Engineering and Demolitions}{Stealthy}{Hunted}{Bloody BB}{Weaponsmith}{BB Magnet}{Blood Donor}{Chameleon}{Ninja}{Helmet, but No Brain}{Minigun Wannabe}{Pack Rat}{Dedicated}{Destroyer of Worlds}{Human Shield}{Tourettes}{Die Hard}{Customizer}{Quartermaster}{Infiltrator}{Ripstop Adept}{Jinxed}{Aww, Nuts!}{Guardian}{Amphibious Operations}{Critical Hit}{Deceiver}{Gun Nut}{Banzaaaaaaaii}{Death Dealer}{Hippie}{Yummy!}{1 of 300}{Combat Engineer}{Combat Medic}{Treasure Hunter}{Death or Glory}{Drill Sergeant}{Rock with your Glock}{David and Goliath}{Boomshot!}{OMGWTFBBQ!!}{Lawnmower}{I Mean Business}{Drama Queen}{Divine Intervention}{Wise Old Man}{Euthanasia}{First Do No Harm}{Fortunate Son} |
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May 7 2009, 11:09 AM
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 I'm not Michael Palin Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,303 Joined: 16-June 05 From: Edinburgh Member No.: 7,876 Country: United Kingdom |
Yep, one guy brought his to the site a couple of months ago - first time he was using it and it jammed solid. That might be one of the times DL is referring to.
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May 7 2009, 12:35 PM
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Were they modified in any way?
This post has been edited by PlasticMag: May 7 2009, 12:35 PM -------------------- Army strong. Kind of. More like Army Mostly Motivated.
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May 7 2009, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE (PlasticMag @ May 7 2009, 12:35 PM) Were they modified in any way? QUOTE (DarkLite @ May 7 2009, 07:57 AM) I've seen three in person, and all three failed. All three were stock...
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May 7 2009, 05:07 PM
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Hmm... very interesting! I thought an ACM company would be so quick to replicate Marui's multinational patented design. But, as China has shown so many times in the past, they just don't give a *fruitcacge*. And that's what I love about them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
While I've only been into airsoft for 5 years now, so I haven't been around that long, I have noticed a recent and rather bothersome trend in Marui's AEG designs. Marui used to to be widely thought of as the absolute king of reliability. Sure, they had plastic bodies and were more expensive than the Taiwanese guns, but people still bought them anyway and paid $100-$200 for a metal body kit to put on them because having Marui internals meant your reliability was top notch. And if anything ever did break replacement parts could be had easily. But in more recent years, since the release of the AEPs and AEP SMGs (like the MP7) it seems Marui's reliability has gone farther and farther downhill and replacement parts availability has gone the same path. Marui's newer gearbox designs like the AEP gearboxes and the blowback & recoil system gearboxes just don't seem to have the reliability Marui was once so well known for. And if a highly respected Japanese company with excellent quality control can't make this M4 SOPMOD gearbox design reliable... why should I think that an ACM company like Army can do any better? I'll pass on this one for now I think. -------------------- حَوّامتي مُمْتِلئة بِأَنْقَلَيْسون
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