GHK AKS74U CLONE?!, dammit i was gonna buy a gold MEU! Options

[bart_dude]

http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/news2/7944

i cant decide over this, or my plan on customizing the new ARMY GOLD MEU'S

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[snorkelman]

dont think its a clone as such more a tie up between the two companies (Im pretty sure there were some kalash publicity photos released two or three months ago that had a small gas blowback logo on them suggesting they were going to do a deal with GHK)

[fiddlesticks4220]

hmm gas ak maybe steel?

[snorkelman]

RK01S externals (the PR stuff mentions as steel outer barrel too), I suspect the usual GHK zinc alloy internals

Be interesting to see the price

[bart_dude]

man i dont even know what i want now

i mean it sounds pretty obvious in words, a trust worthy MEU approved by so many people
or some clone GBB AK with no guarentee in quality, with like no? aftermarket parts?

BUT COME ON ITS A GBB AK!! DAMMIT

anyone care to help me out?

[Frontiers]

Boyi/Kalash made a deal with GHK to not release their clone version of the model for next 3 months, so need to wait it out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) its on final stages but it wont be released before the time passing because of the agreement with GHK.

[snorkelman]

man i dont even know what i want now

i mean it sounds pretty obvious in words, a trust worthy MEU approved by so many people
or some clone GBB AK with no guarentee in quality, with like no? aftermarket parts?

BUT COME ON ITS A GBB AK!! DAMMIT

anyone care to help me out?

Is pretty much same design as GHK used originally by looks of it, so theres a whole set of aftermarket steel internals available: 1 company do the fireselect parts, 2 companies are doing the bolt carrier, and 1 of those is doing an NPAS adjustable bolt and a CNC'd aluminium hop up unit

Other than the springs, the mag, and the recoil rod you can pretty much buy every part from a third party so I wouldnt say its got no aftermarket parts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[bart_dude]

is the design efficient? how high is the gas consumption?
alright guys got exams now ttyl (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[MegaMan3k]

Is this the gas in magazine GHK AKS74U or the external gas GHK AK? Or am I getting confused and some other company was modifying GHK AKs to use external air?

[leejinwen]

GOLD MEU'S?

[iwanejko]

my understanding of the original GHK, was that they only transplanted their GBB mech into the body of a kalash ak.

surely then, this is nothing new from what we have already in the market........

I think it will be very interesting to see if this is the same or (hopefully) lower price.

cheers

Rich

[my_plague_666]

i think it'll be interesting to see how cheap Dboys' own mags will be (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
thats was a major turn off for me right from the GHK's announcement.

[snorkelman]

tbh Im not sure how low the mag price could ever really go - GHK's 45 bucks per mag was better than price for the various M4 GBb mags doing the rounds - most folks in the M4 camp would have bitten your hand off for mags at that price (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

three ways I can see this gun going

If they stick out same gun, same material for internals and same price I dont see it being that successful as its likely to be plagued with same hassles as the original.

They could drop price significantly versus what GHK were asking - that would make the unreliability pill a bit easier to swallow but ultimately, short of giving them away for next to nothing, I dont see many folks willing to spend much of anything on a gun that cant be relied on holding together for more than a few mags of use.

best option would be to stick with GHK style pricing but up the internals - better materials, bit tighter tolerances and an adjustable NPAS bolt as standard. Power thats tuneable for a variety of skirmish conditions/local laws, and parts that dont see you reaching for the chequebook to replace them with steel parts the same day you take it out the box.

[my_plague_666]

Is this the gas in magazine GHK AKS74U or the external gas GHK AK? Or am I getting confused and some other company was modifying GHK AKs to use external air?

are you thinking of daytonagun?
GHK made a gas in mag design, while daytonagun convert AKs to use an externally powered escort based system. no one was modifying GHK for external use.

@snorkelman: i know that the GHK mags are more reasonable than the likes of the WA M4, but still at $45 a pop that works out at $450 to carry 500 odd rounds loaded in mags. add the cost of the actual gun, upgrades to replace some of the brittle stock parts and the long term costs of gas and you're looking at a very expensive primary. personally, i just dont have that kind of money at the moment, and if i did i'd probably rather go the daytonagun route.

[Horsem4n]

i would buy it if the price was below 300. i would expect to have to replace the internals with stuff from DG and RAtech. however, it doesnt bother me to buy either if the price is the same. if the price is the same, ill still be buying the GHK AK105 instead of the 74u.

[Frontiers]

i would buy it if the price was below 300. i would expect to have to replace the internals with stuff from DG and RAtech. however, it doesnt bother me to buy either if the price is the same. if the price is the same, ill still be buying the GHK AK105 instead of the 74u.

price will be very low when DBoys release it, i would wait for that one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Horsem4n]

how come you flaunt the info you have in our faces and never actually just tell us the info?

you should make your own thread called "the *suitcase* i know about clones" or something and just lay it down every time you find something...

This post has been edited by Horsem4n: May 15 2009, 03:38 PM

[Frontiers]

how come you flaunt the info you have in our faces and never actually just tell us the info?

you should make your own thread called "the *suitcase* i know about clones" or something and just lay it down every time you find something...

ok, i dont talk about prices anymore as it seems to upset some people, sorry if i offend anyone for that, wont happen again.

[snorkelman]

@snorkelman: i know that the GHK mags are more reasonable than the likes of the WA M4, but still at $45 a pop that works out at $450 to carry 500 odd rounds loaded in mags. add the cost of the actual gun, upgrades to replace some of the brittle stock parts and the long term costs of gas and you're looking at a very expensive primary. personally, i just dont have that kind of money at the moment, and if i did i'd probably rather go the daytonagun route.

bearin mind that the mags weigh in at 530 grammes with caplet and BBs (just an ounce or so over the weight of a real mag) AEG midcap tips the scales at just under 180 grams, so to carry ten of the GHK mags around you'ld be humphing 5.3kilos - pretty much equivalent of 29 AEG mids.. likelyhood is most folks would settle for three or four and get used to reloading a bit more regularly.

far as the brittle parts go comes down to wether they lower the price significantly versus GHK and stick with same materials for those parts, or wether they upgrade the materials used and maintain the GHK pricepoint (in either case cost of the gun plus any neccessary upgrades is likely to be similar to the current GHK asking price)

The daytona is a definate option if folks are willing to go the external route but if 450 dollars on mags for the GHK is a bit rich for them then I dont see 550 to 600 bucks for a decent HPA setup (tank, regulator, hoses, quick disconnect fittings, fill adapter and bulk store scuba tank) going down all that well either.. much more consistent and cost effective in long run but does come with compromises of its own

[Horsem4n]

ok, i dont talk about prices anymore as it seems to upset some people, sorry if i offend anyone for that, wont happen again.

what? they wouldnt get mad at you. your the guy who knows, they have to deal with it. thay have no right to get angry at you and you dont have to change just cause people get angry. nobodys going to show up at your door with angry mob cause you gave them some info. feel free to flaunt your information, its more annoying to know that you know and yet, dont say.

i hope you understand that correctly.