what is the most powerful gas

[sniperV]

i am asking this because some people say green gas is rubbish and the american eagle is better and about winter an summer gas it confuses me so much

[Chrissyg]

red gas is the most powerful airsoft gas, that is designed for airsoft guns, me thinks. Correct me if im wrong anyone.

Chrissyg

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[R22Master]

Black gas is a fabled gas that rhumors say is CO2. That is the most powerful gas used for Airsoft (and then only ever in some models that are built specifically to take it). Red Gas is next down and some guns will take this instead of green - Most will be destroyed by it though.

 

Green is the next gas down, followed by Abbey Predator and some of the Cybergun and AE gasses.

 

Green is not rubbish, it just doesn't have a particularly great lubricant in it. I have put countless bottles through my collection and it hasn't caused any problems that would have been avoided by using a similarly rated alternative gas.

 

Remember also, the more powerful the gas, the more likely it is to break your gun.

 

Also, using anything more powerful than green gas is likely to take your gun over the maximum power limits and you open yourself up to prosecution for Assault with a Firearm / Deadly Weapon = not clever.

 

My advice would be to stick with green gas as a maximum, and feel free to try the AE, Abbey, or Cybergun gasses for yourself. They are all pretty much the same though.

[sniperV]

is american gas any good then or is it weaker than green gas

[Ghost_Rider]

Amercan Eagle (AE) Winter is a little lower pressure than green, but that's not to say it's no good.

 

I personally only put AE winter gas or Abbey Ultra through mine, on the grounds that a pistol is best used at close quarters and those gasses are powerful enough to give me an accurate shot to 20m. Using green gas makes in too painful for for me to feel comfortable using it at close range.

[R22Master]

What Ghost_Rider said above.

 

Using a gas that is just a tad weaker than Green like Abbey Predator or AE Winter, will result in your gun lasting longer and not breaking. They also contain better lubrication, further protecting your investment. You are unlikely to actually notice any difference in performance anyway, only an accurate chronograph will be able to tell.

 

Also, using Green Gas in warm weather (like in the upcoming summer) will cause more wear and tear to your gun, as gasses expand faster and more violently in the heat.

 

What would be more important to you? A gun with a range that reaches an extra couple of inches, or a gun that lasts you an extra year or two?

[sniperV]

so it would be better to use american eagle summer gas than green gas

[Ghost_Rider]

All gasses have reccomended operating temperatures.

 

Read this:

 

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=/a...rsoft_gases.htm

 

If you have any further questions, then ask again.

[Chrissyg]

what would you guys recommend for a TM Desert Eagle, im thinking that green may break the slide or something inside....what fps would a TM DE shoot with American Eagle gas?

Thanks

Chrissyg

[WMH]

This all gets a little confusing going by the 'color' names for gas. Some people call 134a green, others call propane green and 134a blue?

 

The ET 1600 (red gas), I think Madmax determined it is a mix of propane and ethane, exerting over 200 psi.

 

 

 

Help me with this chart ?

 

Blue = 134a = ~85 psi

Green = Propane = ~125 psi

Red gas = Propane/Ethane = ~200 psi

Black = Co2 = ~600 psi

[urbandork]

black

 

red

 

green

 

AE

 

134

 

I forget where abby and FLON lay

 

I think ive also heard about a blue gas but never seen it.

[R22Master]

so it would be better to use american eagle summer gas than green gas

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Depends on the operating ambient temperature. Your best bet is to buy a few types and try them out. If it is very hot when you are firing, Green Gas is likely to cause problems, and AE Winter might also be too strong. If it is only a little bit warm, AE Summer might be too weak.

 

Your best bet is to try several gasses out in your guns. Just make sure you are not using a gas that is too powerful for the gun in question (your Airsoft vendor should be able to tell you what is safe in your gun).

[R22Master]

This all gets a little confusing going by the 'color' names for gas.  Some people call 134a green, others call propane green and 134a blue?

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134a is definitely not green. I didn't know it had even been assigned a colour.

[Lance Jackass]

What guns use black then?

[R22Master]

IF black is CO2, then there are a few new models emerging that use the CO2 capsule. I cannot confirm that black actually IS CO2 though - it is just rhumor.

[Ghost_Rider]

What guns use black then?

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Virtually no skirmishable airsoft guns will take 'black' because it puts out beebs at stupid high FPS.

 

The KWC mini UZI runs on CO2, as does one of the HFC beretta variants.

[Chrissyg]

Depends on the operating ambient temperature.  Your best bet is to buy a few types and try them out.  If it is very hot when you are firing, Green Gas is likely to cause problems, and AE Winter might also be too strong.  If it is only a little bit warm, AE Summer might be too weak.

 

Your best bet is to try several gasses out in your guns.  Just make sure you are not using a gas that is too powerful for the gun in question (your Airsoft vendor should be able to tell you what is safe in your gun).

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Well im in England, so what would you say is right?

[R22Master]

Is it the GBB version? The Hardkick? If so, green should be fine for now, as would AE Winter and Abbey Predator.

[WMH]

Almost all classic airsofts use c02 with a regulator to get the pressure to a useable level...

 

Madmax is on this thread now! Care to help with my little chart, Carl?

[Ghost_Rider]

Depends on the temp.

 

I find, personally, that Using AE winter means you get a good allround gass that is still safe to use in the summer without causing your slide to break or put out too high an fps.

[Chrissyg]

Is it the GBB version?  The Hardkick?  If so, green should be fine for now, as would AE Winter and Abbey Predator.

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Yeah it is the hardkick Chrome one. Thanks for your help! Also is AE gas only lsightly lower than green because I may use that if it is the case...

[garry]

Green ( propane ) is 60% more powerful than 134a at any given temperature.

 

This is discussed so many times, it might be worth someone writing something VERY easy to understand on this subject and make it pinned. There is far too much mis-information about this on forums and much of the information is blatantly wrong and misleading.

[Ghost_Rider]

'Nuff said

 

Guide to airsoft gas

[MadMax]

This all gets a little confusing going by the 'color' names for gas.  Some people call 134a green, others call propane green and 134a blue?

 

The ET 1600 (red gas), I think Madmax determined it is a mix of propane and ethane, exerting over 200 psi.

 

Help me with this chart ?

 

Blue = 134a = ~85 psi

Green = Propane = ~125 psi

Red gas = Propane/Ethane = ~200 psi

Black  = Co2 = ~600 psi

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Tables I use for design reference:

 

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I haven't actually tested red gas in a laboratory setting. I just made a guess based on the fact that ET1600 is flammable. Ethane and propane are both flammable compounds in the same chemical family. They're both very cheap in industrial quantities so I'm guessing that ET1600 is a blend of propane and ethane. Pure saturated ethane exerts a much higher pressure at room temperature so I suppose it may be blended with propane.

 

Ethane is a precursor compound used in the manufacturing of plastics (i.e. polyethylene) You don't see it as a consumer commodity much, but it's not hard to purchase and stuff into a bottle if you're already a gas bottler.