greg Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Hello, I'm thinking about getting one or two of these. If you have one or have used one, could you please share your opinion? Thank you. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I believe Rob_15 is currently raving about these. Must admit, they do look very impressive. It'd definitely be my "BFG" of choice. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Indeed, the only thing that has stopped me buying one (Well, two) so far is that JD's online checkout system doesn't work and I'm too lazy to phone them. A guy I know went to JD a few weeks ago and they let him try one out there and from the sounds of it he was very impressed with it, although i've yet to see one in action myself. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Be there any reviews on these? Link to post Share on other sites
RSM Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Quick video review, more indepth one here (Apologies in advance for profanities and sounding like a nonce:P) http://www.manc-as.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=7013 Link to post Share on other sites
-Angel- Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 So effectively a slightly nicer looking, but overall more expensive Dynatech. The promise of 'different charges' doesn't really do anything for me, considering Bang = Dead at every place i've ever played. Why a puff of smoke and bang, or a triple bang? Its not neccesary. The reliance on a bespoke cartridge doesn't sound great either. Anythings got to be better than the tornado mind... Link to post Share on other sites
galactica Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 triple bang should be obvious, surely? 1. Man sees grenade come through window. 2. Man runs out of room to avoid being hit 3. Man runs back into room to retake his door/window 4. Man is hit by second charge 5. LULZ. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 To be honest its the prospect of a 'thermo' style charge for them with a brighter flash and but a quieter bang that interests me, main reason being I know of sites which will only allow thermos due to noise restrictions. As it is with just a mk5 flashbang charge its £1.50 + the cost of the grenade for something a £0.50 blank can do in a regular BFG, but if i'm honest I don't really care because those look awesome and that counts for a lot in airsoft A £1.50 thermo type charge would be a winner for me though compared to £3+ for a single use thermo. Link to post Share on other sites
-Angel- Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 triple bang should be obvious, surely? 1. Man sees grenade come through window. 2. Man runs out of room to avoid being hit 3. Man runs back into room to retake his door/window 4. Man is hit by second charge 5. LULZ. I don't believe the bangs will be far enough apart for that situation to occur, the cartridges look too small to engineer any kind of delay between them. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I would assume the triple-bang setup is designed more for distration purposes. A couple of these lobbed into a room prior to entry, or chucked across a clearing as a decoy, would be enough to cause most people to flip-out for a couple of seconds. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Multibangs could also give the impression of more people attacking with pyros rather than just being one person with a single grenade..... ...none of that really matters though, as far as I can tell the only reason to buy multibangs is because they leave a much bigger grin on your face when they go off! Link to post Share on other sites
creepingfear Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Anythings got to be better than the tornado mind... Mk 9 Thunderflashes Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Well, I was hoping you guys would know more about this.............. What I've found so far was via google, which lead me to Thomas Lowe Defense (the manufacturer?), JD Airsoft (supplier) & a thread on Mancairsoftforums. I don't think it was made with airsoft in mind. It is described as a reusable distraction device, for use with a variety of cartridges in training situations. The grenade is a 2 part affair. The spoon/pin end houses a hammer & percussion cap. Releasing the spoon allows the hammer to strike the percussion cap & a fairly loud 'snap' is audible. This takes getting used to, as it could lead to confusion as to 'who takes the kill'. I see it as a warning of impending doom, fitting in with a few sites request that you shout 'Grenade' before deployment. This in turn sets off the fuse of a cartridge placed in the main body. This is a heavy gage steel basket, with holes, allowing heat/light/noise/pressure to escape, while containing most of the debris from the detonated cartridge. There appear to be 3 recommended manufacturers/suppliers of charges, 'Zink', 'Spectrum' & 'Umarex'. Currently there appears to be only one cartridge available for general sale to UK airsofters, a 2 (ish) second delay, mark 5 (120db). However others are made for other markets & include a 5 (ish) second delay mk7 (180db) & triple. Screeches, screech/bangs, flash/bangs, thermos, smokes, & various delays are mentioned. I guess these will be available if there is a market for them. Because of the modular construction, different types of charge can be swapped in seconds. The percussion caps can be returned & recycled (reloaded), & this equates to a 50p cost reduction, per cap. Thus far Dyno's have been the only successful reusable. I never liked them because of the size. The GR-20 fits into a pistol mag pouch, so carrying a few won't load you down. More importantly, the charges are small & it is very easy to reload (needing no specialist tools). If 'smoke' & other charges become available, this will allow a variety of small charges to be carried. You could then make choices pre (or even mid) game, as to what you need, smoke cover, bangs etc. Instead of being weighed down with larger disposables & a verity of cardboard & Dynos. It will also allow practice of drills with the same device, instead of having to use different pyros at different sites. You know the score; 'only mk5's here mate' etc. I know the dynos can do this but smokes & thermos? The spoon is a flyer. Spares are available but I'd suggest cabling it to the main body. As Rob15 says, it looks awesome. As a paper weight, it's a masterpiece. Food for thought............... Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
Clot Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I have seen two of these in use, side by side to a bfg.. You can reload a bfg from start to finish in the time it takes to get the spent cartridge out of this thing. It is however extremely frosty in looks, and works very well. It just takes FAR too long to reload! You need to save the screw in detonator cap, which is like a 9mm primer with a thread on it. You can get these replaced cheap if you save them, but it will still work out more expensive than a 9mm blank. It is also quite annoyin to try remember to keep them, especially if you are used to just chucking the 9mm blanks away without a thought. I like the idea of the thermo cartridge. The mk7 is just FAR too loud for indoor use, or even confined street use... MAYBE in woodland, but definately not anything less than a wide open space. You WILL deafen people. The spoon is easily lost, just cable tie it on and have it loose enough so that you cant use it Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 You can reload a bfg from start to finish in the time it takes to get the spent cartridge out of this thing. It just takes FAR too long to reload! I like the idea of the thermo cartridge. The mk7 is just FAR too loud for indoor use, or even confined street use... MAYBE in woodland, but definately not anything less than a wide open space. You WILL deafen people. Right on both counts, however, reloading gets a lot quicker with practice. As for the mk7, this is a 'men only' device. As official 'crash-test-dummy', I let a GR-20/mk7 off at my feet..............It blew my hat off! Literally. I mean my hat flew off on detonation. Not because my head moved or anything. It just blew my boonie clean off my head. & my left ear rang a bit. Thankfully I did this in the open, In a confined space, I doubt anyone would see the funny side. Mk5's & thermo's please. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 The silly thing here is its still just about possible to get Mk5 thunderflashes for about £1.50 each if you buy in packs of ten and upwards, for practicality (And for woodland so I don't loose it!) I think I would rather just throw & forget them rather than have an expensive grenade + £1.50 a shot charges. I think its probably a catch 22 situation for the manufacturer, most players probably won't buy one or more until something like the smoke or thermo charges are on sale, but the manufacturer probably doesn't want to put up the cash to do that until they've sold enough units.... Regardless, if JD just got their online checkout working (Its been down for over a year now afaik) i'd order two of the damm things and 40 charges in a shot! Link to post Share on other sites
Skully Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 F&O Asylum won't let you use these so I don't know about their other sites too. Might not be able to use it at most places? Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 The silly thing here is its still just about possible to get Mk5 thunderflashes for about £1.50 each if you buy in packs of ten and upwards, for practicality (And for woodland so I don't loose it!) I think I would rather just throw & forget them rather than have an expensive grenade + £1.50 a shot charges. I think its probably a catch 22 situation for the manufacturer, most players probably won't buy one or more until something like the smoke or thermo charges are on sale, but the manufacturer probably doesn't want to put up the cash to do that until they've sold enough units.... Regardless, if JD just got their online checkout working (Its been down for over a year now afaik) i'd order two of the damm things and 40 charges in a shot! But you have to light the mk 5's & they don't look cool. Holding the spoon down & pulling the pin is well worth the extra £60. They ain't answering the phone either! You have to wonder, two customers, probably 4 grenades & charges(£300?) & no money changing hands. That's the way to run a business. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 F&O Asylum won't let you use these so I don't know about their other sites too. Might not be able to use it at most places? Why not? Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
Skully Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 From their forums. We have trialed this and as of now there are too many issues with them so the only non pyro we Allow on site are Dynatec blank firing grenades with a maximum of a 9mm blank. These are available from site and still offer the best alternative to pyro Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 From their forums. I wonder what they mean? Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
RSM Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Greg, Felix who runs the Asylum was at Copehill Down as the head of our militia family so was also present while I was filming Duffy chucking the GR20 about. I think they have been used in game since and due to the snap going off people were calling themselves out prematurely but what may not bee too visible from the pics at the end of my vid is that the card outer on the charges can plug the vent holes and send smouldering bits about and the metal stays quite warm after a detonation, and I don't think they want the carpets in some of the buildings getting scorched/set alight. As the device is also venting there is the 'derpderp' factor if someone released the spoon to cook the thing off and it went bang in their hands. At least with a BFG I understand that these vent around the loading cap/top rather than out the body. Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Greg, Felix who runs the Asylum was at Copehill Down as the head of our militia family so was also present while I was filming Duffy chucking the GR20 about. I think they have been used in game since and due to the snap going off people were calling themselves out prematurely but what may not bee too visible from the pics at the end of my vid is that the card outer on the charges can plug the vent holes and send smouldering bits about and the metal stays quite warm after a detonation, and I don't think they want the carpets in some of the buildings getting scorched/set alight. As the device is also venting there is the 'derpderp' factor if someone released the spoon to cook the thing off and it went bang in their hands. At least with a BFG I understand that these vent around the loading cap/top rather than out the body. Thankyou. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I spoke to JD Airsoft today & they were very helpful. I have ordered a GR20 from them & hope to receive it, some time next week. I'm looking forward to it & will post my thoughts after giving it a go. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
greg Posted October 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 Please keep us posted fella! I'm quite interested in these myself, as a long term investment vs buying throw away pyro. I would definitely buy 3-4 if and when they bring out more charges for them. I like the idea of the smoke, multibang and thermo charges, but they would have to come in cheaper than buying the equivalent in bulk from the manufacturers. Basically if the refils come in at under £1.5-£2 each i'm interested, otherwise.... Best you ring & speak to JD yourself. I believe multi-bang & smoke are on the way, possibly before Christmas. Thermo is a different story. Cost is in your reach (£30/20 bangs, going down to £20/20 for repeat orders, if you return the percusion cap holders) so give 'em a ring & place an order. I should have mine on Mon or Tue & will post my findings soon after. Greg. Link to post Share on other sites
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