 PTW Style hop for Regular AEG, Uhh why? |
Rating
|
|
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
  |
 Oct 28 2009, 09:50 PM
Post
#1
|
|
 Regular Poster  Group: Regular Poster Posts: 255 Joined: 27-March 07 Member No.: 36,684 Country: United States   |
From Airsoftews.eu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etb6tuKs9qo...player_embedded Made by Deepfire Why do we need a PTW style hopup for regular AEGs when the current hop up systems are the best there is, to my knowledge. -------------------- Not enough ICS!!!
|
 |
 
|
|
Oct 28 2009, 10:01 PM
Post
#2
|
|
|
Rockin' the Paradise Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,113 Joined: 23-August 07 From: Kennesaw, GA Member No.: 43,053 Country: United States |
How about a AEG hop up for our PTWs?
-------------------- WTB:KAC PDW set up
WTB EI/AI RLCS items. Please shoot me a pm if you have any thing. WTS:Guns, Gear, Mags, Parts |
|
|
|
|
Oct 28 2009, 10:02 PM
Post
#3
|
|
|
Adv Member Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 7-September 04 Member No.: 198 |
Many consider your traditional armalite hopup unit to be a weak point with regards to accuracy and consistancy, with greater preferance going towards drum style hop units as found in the p90, g36 etc. Unless your armalite is an ICS model in which case I believe it has a drum style hop up, many armalite users may be interested in taking a look at this if they want something else to help improve consistancy and accuracy. Assuming it actually works well.
|
|
|
|
|
Oct 28 2009, 10:12 PM
Post
#4
|
|
|
Regular Poster Group: Commercial User Posts: 251 Joined: 7-September 08 From: Orange County Member No.: 55,450 Country: United States |
I agree with tirpitz....
One of the factors that holds the M16 platform back from being an excellent dmr platform is the current hop up system. When these are available, I will most definitely be purchasing one for my nbb platform... -------------------- Need Air Rig Help? Looking for a Cold Shot*? Shoot me a PM. *Built on case by case basis only. |
|
|
|
|
Oct 28 2009, 11:23 PM
Post
#5
|
|
 Regular Poster Group: Regular Poster Posts: 298 Joined: 13-November 05 From: Near wild heaven- not near enough..... Member No.: 11,697 Country: United Kingdom  |
Wait, is the PTW hopup not considered to be the worst out?
-------------------- QUOTE _Melody_: I need to stretch it though _Melody_: it's very tight TappetPlate: still a virgin |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 12:21 AM
Post
#6
|
|
|
Regular Poster Group: Commercial User Posts: 251 Joined: 7-September 08 From: Orange County Member No.: 55,450 Country: United States |
Are they?
I haven't owned an AEG in years... Kinda out of the loop. -------------------- Need Air Rig Help? Looking for a Cold Shot*? Shoot me a PM. *Built on case by case basis only. |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 12:32 AM
Post
#7
|
|
|
Rockin' the Paradise Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,113 Joined: 23-August 07 From: Kennesaw, GA Member No.: 43,053 Country: United States |
Ptw hop ups are not better than normal AEG hop ups. In fact they suck... Thats my biggest complaint of the PTW.
-------------------- WTB:KAC PDW set up
WTB EI/AI RLCS items. Please shoot me a pm if you have any thing. WTS:Guns, Gear, Mags, Parts |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 12:36 AM
Post
#8
|
|
|
Regular Poster Group: Commercial User Posts: 251 Joined: 7-September 08 From: Orange County Member No.: 55,450 Country: United States |
darn... looks like i am going to have to make my own hop up then
-------------------- Need Air Rig Help? Looking for a Cold Shot*? Shoot me a PM. *Built on case by case basis only. |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 01:38 AM
Post
#9
|
|
 Have gun - will travel Group: Forum Regular Posts: 3,945 Joined: 19-October 06 From: Southern California Member No.: 29,472 Country: United States |
I've been hearing people complain about the M4 hopUp for years but I'm still not entirely sure I understand what it's weak points are. I've got a lot of M4s, and a smattering of non-M4s ... I've been getting very satisfactory results from my M4 hopUps.
-------------------- Photos: My Photo Album
Review: King Arms "Lancer Systems L5" AEG MidCap Review Tutorial: How to make a skirmishable "Heat" Hockey Mask Review: Bitter End Airsoft Goggles™ Review Review: "Army of Two" Airsoft Skirmish Masks Review Tutorial: How to modify a Sansei Mask to work with ESS Goggles Review: TSI Armories™ Galil Series Review Review: Sykes Airsoft Face Mask Tutorial: How to modify a real VLTOR MOD/EMOD Stock Tutorial: Magpul Ranger & "L" Type Floor Plate Installation Tutorial: Making a Portable Metal Target Box |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 06:58 AM
Post
#10
|
|
 Сучка Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,484 Joined: 13-March 07 From: Saint Paul, MN Member No.: 36,096 Country: United States |
This is perhaps one of the most pointless airsoft products I have ever seen come to market (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
The PTW hopup is absolutely awful and you're always seeing PTW owners struggle to find ways to improve it or replace it. So why on earth would any AEG user want to put a less effective hopup system in their gun? Even the standard M4 AEG hopup, which is often complained about, is miles ahead of the PTW hopup. I just don't get what Deepfire was thinking on this one. -------------------- حَوّامتي مُمْتِلئة بِأَنْقَلَيْسون
The bodies are covered in solid gold encrusted with chocolate chips. |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 09:43 AM
Post
#11
|
|
 Regular Poster Group: Regular Poster Posts: 610 Joined: 1-December 06 From: Muscles from Brussels Member No.: 31,399 Country: Belgium  |
It's all about marketing.
-------------------- (22:17:02) (frub) if you're in britain, giving it away could be dodgy
(22:17:21) (Edmiles) yeah, but to an airsoft friend (22:17:36) (frub) i see you're way ahead of me. (22:17:44) (ZMarre) yeah (22:17:46) (ZMarre) he has friends (22:17:51) (ZMarre) harhar (22:17:52) (Edmiles) gahahaha (22:18:00) (frub) :/ twunt.  |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 11:02 AM
Post
#12
|
|
 never talk about mom :( Group: Forum Regular Posts: 3,013 Joined: 21-October 04 From: Denmark Member No.: 1,895 Country: Denmark  |
Thanks Deepfire.
BUT NO THANKS. 8| |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 11:14 AM
Post
#13
|
|
 Regular Poster Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,023 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Locked up in my Fruitcage, banging my head against the bars Member No.: 9,064 Country: Norway  |
QUOTE (uscmCorps @ Oct 29 2009, 02:38 AM)  I've been hearing people complain about the M4 hopUp for years but I'm still not entirely sure I understand what it's weak points are. I've got a lot of M4s, and a smattering of non-M4s ... I've been getting very satisfactory results from my M4 hopUps. Some M4 chambers don't keep their setting very well, and are hard to fine-tune. They can be easily fixed by placing a small shim between the larges adjustment wheel and the screw that holds it in place, though. Makes adjusting it very hard, but once its done, it stays put. The drum types are better in every way, though. --------------------  |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 11:36 AM
Post
#14
|
|
|
Regular Poster Group: Regular Poster Posts: 387 Joined: 13-January 05 From: Surrey Member No.: 3,635 Country: United Kingdom |
What's wrong with the PTW hop ? Also CA seem to be using a new drum style hop in their AR designs, can they be used in non CA receivers and are they available to buy seperately?
-------------------- In 2007 a bunch of airsofters were sent to the welsh border for a crime they didn't have the sobriety to commit, they promptly shot the place up, drunk much beer and drew curly mustaches on everyone ... if you're in trouble, if no one else can make things more insane, maybe YOU can hire the OP:MA Team ... MA:4, ma4ness given form
User not exiled to Alaska ... damn you! |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 11:56 AM
Post
#15
|
|
 FUMOFFU!!! Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,221 Joined: 6-September 06 From: Everywhere and nowhere. Member No.: 27,184 Country: Belgium |
QUOTE (uscmCorps @ Oct 29 2009, 02:38 AM) I've been hearing people complain about the M4 hopUp for years but I'm still not entirely sure I understand what it's weak points are. I've got a lot of M4s, and a smattering of non-M4s ... I've been getting very satisfactory results from my M4 hopUps. same here. I don't get what the fuzz is all about. Sure they sometimes don't stay on their place and finding the right setup isn't easy, but I simply install another better M4 hop up. so far I like the prometheus hop up unit combined with TM hop up rubber & nub. --------------------  Challenge everything!! BOYCOTT UMAREX |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 12:38 PM
Post
#16
|
|
|
Regular Poster Group: Forum Regular Posts: 4,726 Joined: 4-June 07 From: West Landern Member No.: 39,428 Country: United Kingdom |
QUOTE (NeoVeNoM @ Oct 29 2009, 11:56 AM) same here. I don't get what the fuzz is all about. Sure they sometimes don't stay on their place and finding the right setup isn't easy, but I simply install another better M4 hop up. so far I like the prometheus hop up unit combined with TM hop up rubber & nub. That's funny. You 'don't get what all the fuss is about' & then you list what the problems are & suggest replacing the unit with an after market part. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That is exactly, what all the fuss is about. If the hop unit was trouble free, you wouldn't be replacing it would you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Greg. -------------------- QUOTE (MistyAssasin @ May 18 2009, 04:46 PM) My site allows them ive checked and ive found of from wolf armuries in london and i think they do Two Tone spray jobs so i try them |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 05:24 PM
Post
#17
|
|
|
FUMOFFU!!! Group: Forum Regular Posts: 1,221 Joined: 6-September 06 From: Everywhere and nowhere. Member No.: 27,184 Country: Belgium |
QUOTE (greg @ Oct 29 2009, 01:38 PM) That's funny. You 'don't get what all the fuss is about' & then you list what the problems are & suggest replacing the unit with an after market part. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That is exactly, what all the fuss is about. If the hop unit was trouble free, you wouldn't be replacing it would you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Greg. Strange that you don't dare to say that against USMCorps. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) That's funny, I though people were displeased by its design in general. Regardless of it being a replacement or not. Many hop up units are unsatifactory, just by replacing it with a good one the problem is solved. But I guess criticising a popular AEG model is easier, instead of going after all bad hop up units by brand and design, regardless of the AEG model. I had to replace it, because the Marui 2 piece hop up unit cannot be used in a g&p body. In it's stock form it performed flaweless. If I really want it to be trouble free, I just go and buy myself another TM, preferably a g36. -------------------- Challenge everything!! BOYCOTT UMAREX |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 05:44 PM
Post
#18
|
|
|
Have gun - will travel Group: Forum Regular Posts: 3,945 Joined: 19-October 06 From: Southern California Member No.: 29,472 Country: United States |
QUOTE (greg @ Oct 29 2009, 05:38 AM) That's funny. You 'don't get what all the fuss is about' & then you list what the problems are & suggest replacing the unit with an after market part. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That is exactly, what all the fuss is about. If the hop unit was trouble free, you wouldn't be replacing it would you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) So to clarify, some brands of M4 hopUps, especially some stock ones that come with some guns aren't the greatest because they don't keep their setting very well, and are hard to fine-tune. The best solution is to replace them with decent aftermarket hopUp units like Systema and Prometheus HopUps? I can't speak for anyone else but I really don't find that a big deal. Unfortunate that you have to spend some more money? Yes. But at $32-$38 I'd hardly classify that as the end of the world nor is it a huge crippling issue. It's an easily fixed issue by replacing a parts set and in a hobby in which many people spend a lot of time and money replacing/upgrading lots of parts on our guns regardless of whether or not the guns are M4's or whatever else ... I'm still not seeing why the M4 HopUp has arbitrarily been dubbed the worst HopUp out there. In comparison, the PTW hopUp has major issues, and there aren't any readily available solutions for it. Now THAT is a crippling issue. I'm just trying to get some clarity on why there's such sweeping dislike for the M4 hopUp. -------------------- Photos: My Photo Album
Review: King Arms "Lancer Systems L5" AEG MidCap Review Tutorial: How to make a skirmishable "Heat" Hockey Mask Review: Bitter End Airsoft Goggles™ Review Review: "Army of Two" Airsoft Skirmish Masks Review Tutorial: How to modify a Sansei Mask to work with ESS Goggles Review: TSI Armories™ Galil Series Review Review: Sykes Airsoft Face Mask Tutorial: How to modify a real VLTOR MOD/EMOD Stock Tutorial: Magpul Ranger & "L" Type Floor Plate Installation Tutorial: Making a Portable Metal Target Box |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 05:49 PM
Post
#19
|
|
|
Regular Poster Group: Forum Regular Posts: 4,726 Joined: 4-June 07 From: West Landern Member No.: 39,428 Country: United Kingdom |
QUOTE (NeoVeNoM @ Oct 29 2009, 05:24 PM) Strange that you don't dare to say that against USMCorps. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) My apologies if this has caused any offense. I just thought it was funny. USMC, didn't answer his own question. You did, ('I don't know what all the fuzz is all about' etc.) which I thought was odd. I wasn't picking up on the fact that the hop doesn't perform as well as some alternatives. It was the fact that you seemed to contradict yourself. Greg. This post has been edited by greg: Oct 29 2009, 05:55 PM -------------------- QUOTE (MistyAssasin @ May 18 2009, 04:46 PM) My site allows them ive checked and ive found of from wolf armuries in london and i think they do Two Tone spray jobs so i try them |
|
|
|
|
Oct 29 2009, 06:00 PM
Post
#20
|
|
|
Have gun - will travel Group: Forum Regular Posts: 3,945 Joined: 19-October 06 From: Southern California Member No.: 29,472 Country: United States |
greg, no offense taken on my end. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of people's beliefs and opinions on the matter.
If the biggest issue is with trying to keep the HopUp's setting to not slip, then aside from a shim, has anyone tried using a tiny o-ring as a spacer? I have personally not experienced any big issues with fine tuning over the years of playing. -------------------- Photos: My Photo Album
Review: King Arms "Lancer Systems L5" AEG MidCap Review Tutorial: How to make a skirmishable "Heat" Hockey Mask Review: Bitter End Airsoft Goggles™ Review Review: "Army of Two" Airsoft Skirmish Masks Review Tutorial: How to modify a Sansei Mask to work with ESS Goggles Review: TSI Armories™ Galil Series Review Review: Sykes Airsoft Face Mask Tutorial: How to modify a real VLTOR MOD/EMOD Stock Tutorial: Magpul Ranger & "L" Type Floor Plate Installation Tutorial: Making a Portable Metal Target Box |
|
|
|
|
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 22nd November 2009 - 01:48 AM |