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[SWAT 79]

Hello Fellow Airsofters,

As a result of D.E.D’s involvement with the NJ and Federal Law Enforcement agencies D.E.D has just received information that the NJ government is looking in to banning Airsoft in NJ; some of the reasons for the ban are: continued violation of the mandatory orange tip rule, The lack of organized insured playing field, and the lack of regulation concerning recognized face protection.

D.E.D is at the front lines trying to protect the sport for fellow players but WE can’t do it alone!!! Players must stop removing orange tips. We must also bring Airsoft from the back yard to Insured Airsoft field , and mandate the use of Airsoft approved face protection.

Players it up to you to save your sport and D.E.D will help…

Contact dan@dedusa.com to find out how YOU can save OUR sport…

IF IT GETS BANNED IN NJ YOUR STATE IS NEXT>>>>>>


NJ PLAYES MUST JOIN THE FIGHT OR WE WILL FAIL BEFORE WE START

[outlaw]

If you have any new information you need to swing by www.neasg.org they are the largest airsoft body in the area and have a couple threads about the state of affairs in new jersey. What is D.E.D. ?

[SWAT 79]

Ded= diversified equipment distributors. THey are a major retailer in the east coast. www.dedusa.com is there site, and they help train le and military.

[Magsz]

Boy am i glad i moved out of that craphole state.

Isnt there a law in effect stating that the orange tips can be removed for film or private use, or something to that effect?

[SWAT 79]

Thats it from the uk? Here in the us we are helping you keep your sport un banned, however it seems that you dont want to hlep us. WE are supporting you guys like no other and here you are not giving a rats butt about how it is over here.

Edited by SWAT 79, 17 July 2005 - 09:09 PM.

[oikoik]

we care. but in your original post you didnt post a website and we didnt know what DED was..

now we know..

For what its worth, we hope you and DED have a good chance of a fair fight..

[Shao14]

Banning airsoft without banning real steels first is got to be the dumbest thing ever.

Anyways, NRA should be able to help too.

[R22Master]

It's a shame that Airsoft might be banned in NJ, but I have to say sympathy is limited for a few reasons.

Firstly, it seems like the large majority of serious Airsofters are to blame for this, not a small minority of criminals like in the UK's case. For years, professional Airsofters have been removing orange tips and it seems that Arnie's is one of the only places where this is not a condoned activity. If there aren't enough professional playing zones in NJ then either the sport is not very popular there, or people just haven't put in the effort to start sites. If face protection is not being enforced as a rule, then again, it is skirmish organizers that are to blame there.

Secondly, if Airsoft is banned in NJ, you can simply move to another state where it is legal. In the UK, we don't have that luxury. We are UK citizens and if it is banned in our country as proposed laws plan to enact, then there will be NOWHERE we can move to without places like the US easing up on their unbelievably stiff immigration policies.

This may not be the best place for you to rally support, but if there are members here that want to help you, I am sure they will post here.

For what it's worth, I do hope Airsoft is not banned in NJ because it is essentially a safe and beneficial hobby - banning it makes no sense from a safety perspective. However, it sounds like in this case the ban is coming in because Airsofters there repeatedly ignored existing laws as if they didn't matter.

Good luck with keeping it legal there - hopefully some re-education of the area's Airsofters could be the best way to keep things ticking along in NJ.

[Cinder]

New Jersey is such a long way from Maryland afterall

It takes me two hours to drive to CQB at Manassas, you can get from NJ to another state in less time than that.

Also, stop removing the orange in public.

Get another petition going, shouldn't be to hard to rally support for this cause. [I]Especially when the NRA headquarters is about 3 hours away.

Edited by Cinder, 17 July 2005 - 11:56 PM.

[Wood]

I have to agree with everyones comments on this, and NJ's laws in general have always been ridiculous....but R22, while the possiblity of a nationwide banning of the sport does suck, and i hope for all your sakes that it doesn't happen, it'd be an equal pain and hassle just to move out of state...I'm not packing up my business, my family, and leaving a life here just to play airsoft every other weekend or so. Yes i'm on fairly large team here in NJ, so it would greatly affect all of us, but all the NJ teams and NEAG will i'm sure be working together to try to get this sorted out.

Just to point out, there were threats a while ago that Airsoft would be banned in NJ....it seems to come up every time some dumb kid misuses the springer that he got off e-bay.... What we need to do is ban stupid people from breeding and having stupid kids..then the sport will be safe

[dirty mao]

the thing is, if airsoft is banned in NJ, it won't stop there. the next thing that'll happen is that it gets banned in MA (frankly, i'm surprised it hasn't yet, what with MA's general retardation about everything). then it'll prolly be CT and RI. soon, most of new england'll ban airsoft (except NH, the party state). the point is, if we don't help to stop it in NJ, it'll spread. the players can do alot by following laws, as well as sites by getting insured. maybe if us players can show the legislature we're responsible humans.

though i have to say, if they ban the sale of stuff here, i have no problem driving an hour or two into NH or importing stuff. hell, i have to drive three hours to get my guns maintained.

[airsoftfreak14]

Airsoft is already banned in my city, but this happened a while ago


Hopefully the law doesn't spread

[Shao14]

If airsoft guns are banned before real ones, the next thing you know, people will buy real guns, and modify them to shoot BBs.

[airsoftfreak14]

Hmm...I'd just keep them to shoot real steal, It's funner

[Magsz]

Funner eh?

Sigh...

Shao, its funny that you say that. Most of the bonehead people passing anti replica laws are spouting complete ###### about how easy it is to convert these replica's into live firing devices.

Imagine the politicians shock when they find people buying REAL guns just to play a sport.

[Shao14]

Funner eh?

Sigh...

Shao, its funny that you say that.  Most of the bonehead people passing anti replica laws are spouting complete ###### about how easy it is to convert these replica's into live firing devices.

Imagine the politicians shock when they find people buying REAL guns just to play a sport. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Exactly my point.

On the other hand, there're already real steel sports, recognized by the Olympics too.

[skyler8158]

Hasn't airsoft been banned or atleast frowned apon in Jersey for a long time anyway? Many retailers have been refusing to ship to Jersey for years...

[PlasticMag]

I posted a longer version of this on ASR, where the first hype started. I've been sceptical of the claims for awhile, so here's an excerpt:

DED - I'm inclined to believe some of Grim's [another poster] comments, knowing what FAST has done in the past and how your posts on here have usually been in the vein of self-promotion. So, I'm asking you to please provide proof that you actually do meet with international police groups (Interpol? who?) and I would appreciate seeing some evidence to back up your claims, ESPECIALLY given as how (and Grim pointed this out before I could) the legislature is not in session.

Go to http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/ and look at the schedule - NOTHING is planned. Do a search of bills for the 2004-5 session and NOTHING related to airsoft, soft air, air soft, softair, etc. 'Gun' turns up 7 results. None of them are related at ALL to Airsoft. The only thing close was "S1507 - Enhances penalties for trespassing on private or posted property while possessing a firearm" and there is NO mention of airsoft there (2004-05 session).

Having looked through the New Jersey legislature's page, I would like a little more substantial response from BOTH sides here with evidence before anyone else starts jumping up and down like a traind monkey.

http://www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/topic...670&whichpage=3 has my comments and most of Grim's comments.

I must say that at this time I believe this is a whole lot of hype and not much else.