Deepeyes Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 I read this in a forum in airsoftretreat and feel it should be posted here as it affects people in the UK, There is a short film i recomend you see, I personaly thing it's over the top and down right obsserd. http://www.mothersagainstguns.net/index.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Icarus Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 This was posted on the old Arnies, and I find that movie really stupid, how is a 10 year old supposed to get a pistol and be able to handle the recoil..makes no sense Link to post Share on other sites
letterbomb Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Thats the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites
rhino Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 i did a lengthy rant on the old forums about these fools and i am not in the mood to repeat what i said back then, needless to say that they are talking out there A***s and have nothing better to do than call all programmes on the telly that have more violence than the Tweenies "Violent" and spend all their spare time leaning on fences with their hairnets on and their floral pinnies and saying things like "OOO... did you hear what Ethel did to her sausage casserole last night"! Link to post Share on other sites
Deepeyes Posted October 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 It is obserd but on a slightly random not tellytubbies where banned in Austraia because some parent felt that their noses looked too much like nipples, This is not a joke it true. AS for this file, they just want to make there point at all cost event if it's complete fantacy. I think we would have seen on the news if there was a killing field full of dead children. Plus are these kids really smart enough to modify a replica? I know i don't have the recsources (or the will of that matter) to modify a replica. Plus you can't modify an airsfot gun it's impossible, to do so would require youto replace a good 80% to 90% fo the gun, the only thing you would be left with are the grips. Link to post Share on other sites
cazboab Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 it affects people in the UK, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> its been on the web for what nine months now? despite what MAGs think it does no such thing as to affect the UK, US, Canada, Belgium, Lichtenstein, Disneyland, Gracelands or even Dollywood. Link to post Share on other sites
nickorooster Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 As I said somewhere else, this is rediculous. I can see where they are going on their policies on REAL guns, but to (insert word here which starts with an "s" and means "to condemn without information", often used in describing racism. I have had a total mind block here. This is very strange...) airsoft guns is just wrong!!! Nick Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 No, it will only encourage them. The best course of action is to be perfectly civil with them, listen to their arguments and in front of a reasonable audience that isn't either biased or stupid completely and utterly destroy their every debatable point with simple facts, possibly even a demonstration of what would happen if someone converted an airsoft gun to a real one, with the polices permission and within a safe environment, hell even a blank would probably be enough to blow your hand off though. Just shouting, being rude and generally childish will get us nowhere. Course they're all so stuck in they're ways and as they're old mothers they tend just to argue for the sake of arguing, in between malicious gossip of course. Oh well, they'll burn in hell. Link to post Share on other sites
Vindicare Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Great! So the vast majority of peacful, law-abiding airsofters and paintball enthusiasts will get punished simply because a few people converted their weapons into real guns. Well that's just plain stupid. Also the chances of kids of that age having access to a gunsmith who would convert those guns into real firearms for them, completely against the law is laudible. Unless they did it themselves which is incredibly unlikely. By the way I am also going to e-mail them about this, if anybody is interested at all... Maybe we could start up our own Pro-Airsoft gun lobby? (looks to Admins) Link to post Share on other sites
nickorooster Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Yeh, I have emailed them myself, saying that I agree on their views on REAL guns, but cannot beleive how ignorant they have been on the topic of replica guns. EVERY major branded gun has measures put in place to ensure that they cannot be modified into a real gun without a real gun's parts being used. If that was the case, why not just use the gun you already have? No reply yet, but I think if we agree on their policies on REAL guns, it'll show them that we ARE humans who have no intention of injuring or killing another living creature, just of having fun, it'll help. Nick Nick Link to post Share on other sites
Asher Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Yeh, I have emailed them myself, saying that I agree on their views on REAL guns, but cannot beleive how ignorant they have been on the topic of replica guns. EVERY major branded gun has measures put in place to ensure that they cannot be modified into a real gun without a real gun's parts being used. If that was the case, why not just use the gun you already have?Nick <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm. Bear in mind that Brockock's TAC (air cartridge) air pistols were mysteriously elevated to section 5 status in a fairly surreptitious manner. Worse, IIRC this was pushed through after an incident involving some berk who had had his Brockock modded to fire. The resulting media idiocy was enough to push Brockock into a corner, despite their system being well within the contemporary power limit for a .22 air pistol. In essence a legitimate series of air pistols already built to be prefectly compliant with the UKs firearms legislation were removed from circulation on a knee jerk, even though the particular model was in no way proofed for use with live ammunition and as such required specialist tools to modify i.e. intent, which surely in the eyes of the law should be the issue; the construction of a firearm from any base materials. But I digress... Every time there is a firearms offence in the UK involving a replica, the first reaction of the media is "... most replicas can be easily modified to fire live ammo". There is no way of avoiding this sensationalistic, misinformed nonsense. Personally I think the key issue is one that someone touched on above; the issue is not one of guns per se but the perception of them and the various cultural issues that develop around them. If society concentrated on creating balanced individuals prepared to respect human life then people might hopefully stop trying to kill each other. But no one wants to adress the fact that we're losing that particular battle, so they demonise objects instead of people. At the end of the day we ought to be banning idiots, not toy guns. Link to post Share on other sites
snake_goth Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 i remember once on the news the live reporter said " i just walked into a shop and walked out with this blank fireing pitole"....WTF there are hardly any shops in the uk that you can walk into and buy anything to do with guns, also, the reporter is over 18 (altho not mentaly to report sutch c***) i would like to see a under 18 go in and buy one. Link to post Share on other sites
Crandall Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 I think we should e mail them or something and say that there is no way an airsoft gun could be modified into fireing real bullets. Everyone could put in there 2 cents. We should start a petition banning MAG Link to post Share on other sites
snake_goth Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 havock has one 1 sec ill link it.... http://www.petitiononline.com/antimag/petition.html Link to post Share on other sites
Crandall Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 thanks for the link just signed it Link to post Share on other sites
Billy210 Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 I just watched the movie and even more recently, signed the petition. What a stupid idea- I honestly find the idea of ten year-olds shooting each other with REAL FIREARMS for fun insulting . If they call themselves mothers, they outght to A) Know that their kids would (hopefully) have a hell of a lot more sense, and teach their kids some common morals as well. -Billy PS I'm about to email them to give them a piece of my mind (remember- keep your arguments clean and logical - we'll only give them more reason if we resort to insults etc.) Link to post Share on other sites
joeking27 Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Haven't seen that on TV, how many complaints would there be if it was? Link to post Share on other sites
rhino Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 it was like in the old days when mary whitehouse said that Doctor Who was too violent for kids! No matter what the topic or activity is, you'll always get someone who'll be opposed to it. Link to post Share on other sites
Plymouth Roadrunner Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDD Link to post Share on other sites
HaVoC Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 kinda funny we almost have more signatures then them <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, once we do have about 800 signatures or so I'm gonna send it to them, to see what happens. Ta very much snake_goth for linking that Link to post Share on other sites
Crandall Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 everyone sign it inastantly!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Longhairedhippy Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 its kind of sad that groups that know nothing about what they crusade against carry the most weight. Link to post Share on other sites
wildstallion Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 its kind of sad that groups that know nothing about what they crusade against carry the most weight. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sadly I think its likely that MAGS will have more in the way of signatures than us, I would personally however welcome legislation for airsoft or a licensing seems like a fair compromise. I had written out an email to MAGS but then I decided not to send it as I did some research on the woman founder Mrs Cope http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3561071.stm after reading about her story I suspect there would be no reasoning with this very unlucky mother. Maybe I would feel the same if I had a son and something similar had happened to me. However its only unfortunate circumstances that have sent her on this crusade Link to post Share on other sites
joeking27 Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Theres not calibre that will fit an AEG barrel and it would explode under the stress anyway. Ah the long ignored voice of reason. Link to post Share on other sites
Crandall Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 it's insane to think 12 year olds are doing that Link to post Share on other sites
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