nikoneko Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Guarder's P226 Slide AND Frame is going for $120.00USD(and that's MSRP-HK retailers will be cheaper). But before you get excited, there's a bit of a catch...it's in the raw...meaning you have to "paint" it yourself And you got to do a little bit of "Planish" as they say. So it's cheaper than Prime but you got to do a bit of work... http://www.intrudershop.com.tw/show_produc...p?idproduct=716 Link to post Share on other sites
sp00n Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Got to love when the lazy asses include instructions on how to fix their *suitcasey* casting job. Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 So it's die-cast? Forget that. Link to post Share on other sites
Gene Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 What's bad about die-casting? I'm not completely familiar with it. Link to post Share on other sites
deepsix Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 "So it's die-cast? Forget that." Â So is the engine block on your car. Not a big deal if the metal quality is there.. Guarder should be good to go. Â As far as "instructions on how to fix their *suitcasey* casting job", Prime allready has a kit that's ready to slap on, so that's an option... but the part that's "getting fixed" looks to be the blowback chamber. Just means they kept the tollerance very high, and it needs to be hand fitted. Â Personally, I love the chance to hand fit and build/refinish, so I'm ecstatic that there is a kit like this from a reputable manufacturer... especially at this price, and for what is allready a great gun for it's price point also. Â not everyones cup of tea... but I'm ecstatic. Link to post Share on other sites
the cleaner Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 doh!. . too bad it's not steel. I was hoping it would be being they made a steel slide/barrel for the Marui G26. This is Guarder's 2nd attempt at a metal slide for a gbb too. Link to post Share on other sites
screamin_weasel Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 i think its pretty funky that you can finish the slide yourself. gives the option for some quality custom finishes. Â not that i would ever consider buying a P226... Link to post Share on other sites
the cleaner Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 "So it's die-cast? Forget that."Â So is the engine block on your car. Not a big deal if the metal quality is there.. Guarder should be good to go. Â As far as "instructions on how to fix their *suitcasey* casting job", Prime allready has a kit that's ready to slap on, so that's an option... but the part that's "getting fixed" looks to be the blowback chamber. Just means they kept the tollerance very high, and it needs to be hand fitted. Â Personally, I love the chance to hand fit and build/refinish, so I'm ecstatic that there is a kit like this from a reputable manufacturer... especially at this price, and for what is allready a great gun for it's price point also. Â not everyones cup of tea... but I'm ecstatic. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â exactly. . .also, for $120 for both frame and slide? You just can't beat that coming esp when the Creation slide/barrel cost that much. Definitely will sell more than the Prime kit because Guarder's marketing for the masses. . those who want a CNCed kit (few) will invest into the Prime one. Link to post Share on other sites
Dickens Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Sounds daft but if i had a 226 i would get this kit and i wouldnt even bother painting the kit lol id just stick it on! Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Spezz Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 I'm so buying this. Link to post Share on other sites
Ubar Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 220grams, not really going to give you that solid feeling pistol... Link to post Share on other sites
Utty Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 The P226 is supposed to be pretty light. The stock TM P226's weight already matches that of a real unloaded P226. Link to post Share on other sites
gooseman Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Having fired a real p226, I can tell you it's not light at all. The frame and slide are both made of steel and it really feels heavy when you compare it to a Glock. FYI, the lightest gun I've ever handled is the FN Five-Seven. It's ridiculously toy like when I lifted it. Â Regarding this new Guarder kit. Tis a shame it is Die-cast. Die-cast metal doesn't have as high a tensile strength as machine cut extruded aluminum and the finish is quite porous and rough. It still should be much better than the cheap-*albatross* plastic TM shipped.. Link to post Share on other sites
nikoneko Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 UPDATE: Ok, now they have a black one for $150. "Anodized Aluminum Processing" -Basically it seems they are doing what they did with their M4/16 metal receivers...first in the raw and then black and then OD and then......Porsche P226? Â http://www.intrudershop.com.tw/show_produc...p?idproduct=720 Link to post Share on other sites
deepsix Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 allright, just a quick one. Â "Die-casting is similar to permanent mold casting except that the metal is injected into the mold under high pressure of 10-210Mpa (1,450-30,500) psi . This results in a more uniform part, generally good surface finish and good dimensional accuracy, as good as 0.2 % of casting dimension. For many parts, post-machining can be totally eliminated, or very light machining may be required to bring dimensions to size. " Â PGC's frames and slides, TM's plastic and all the metal, and every part of a WA 1911... die cast, possibly even lost wax. Â if a cast part comes out porous of rough, then either the metal or the mold was not up to temperature. Don't confuse die casting with a poured sand cast. Â also, I cant seem to find any mention of the casting/forming process used on Guarders website. I may have missed that. Â Â BTW... the 226 has an alloy frame. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 deepsix, gooseman: The standard P226 has an aluminum frame but SIG Sauer also make versions with a steel frame. Â With high temperature and pressure and good molds the result of a die cast part is definitely not porous. As deepsix said, they make die cast engine blocks on cars nowadays! Â I'll rather have a kit that you have to fit a little yourself, than a kit that's all loose and rattles. Considering how easy it is to sand and polish critical surfaces on aluminum, it's really no big deal. The best race guns (real steel) are always hand fitted and tuned. Â -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
blam360 Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 erm... im so confused about all the die cast stuff. Â the black kit that guarder just released, that one doens't have to be painted does it? Link to post Share on other sites
nikoneko Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 erm... im so confused about all the die cast stuff. the black kit that guarder just released, that one doens't have to be painted does it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  I would buy the black kit at that price, after all the Creation slide is $115. Now if it turns out good, what do do with my Creation slide? Maybe I'll just buy another P226... Link to post Share on other sites
rizzo Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 The P226 is supposed to be pretty light. The stock TM P226's weight already matches that of a real unloaded P226. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â ~15 bullets add A LOT of weight Link to post Share on other sites
deepsix Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 ~15 bullets add A LOT of weight <{POST_SNAPBACK}>   your not kidding. point 15 bullets at me and my underwear suddenly weigh A LOT more! Link to post Share on other sites
snake_goth Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 http://www.intrudershop.com.tw/product_ima...p?idproduct=716 think it looks okay without it being painted Link to post Share on other sites
partyboy Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I'll be getting a set just for the lower frame, then i'll use my milled creation slide on top and sell the guarder slide as i dont fancy chooping the blowback chamber about and the creation slide is a work of art Link to post Share on other sites
nikoneko Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I'll be getting a set just for the lower frame, then i'll use my milled creation slide on top and sell the guarder slide as i dont fancy chooping the blowback chamber about and the creation slide is a work of art <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â you'll let us know if the two parts are compatible.... Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 They hsould be - they're for the same darn gun. Link to post Share on other sites
skyler8158 Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Not to go off topic, but is the Creation slide a straight swap or is sanding/fitting required? Link to post Share on other sites
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