UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 As many M14 fans know I'm in the process (or was in the process) of fitting a TM M14 into a real M14's fiberglass Stock. Here is the step by step photo history of what I did to accomplish the daunting task. (Maybe this could make its way into the projects section on Arnies ) Part 1: Aquiring the Stock and Invisioning the Future Look Aquiring the stock was fairly easy. One of my friends' dad owns real M14's and has fiberglass stocks laying around, for 25 Bucks i purchased a Woodland cammo painted stock. This is the easiest part of the entire project! Invisioning the project took little more then two pictures, msn paint and some editing time. Here are my invisioned photos! (sorry for large or crappy quality pictures as I have an old digital camera!) Original Post Conversion Part 2: Plan of Attack No project should ever be done without a plan of attack... This lays out what needs to be done in order to accomplish the task! My Plan of attack is very simple to spell out but dificult to do. Pictures done with MSN Paint, WOOT! The Two stocks Together Stuff in Yellow is To be Removed Work Begins Using a Dremel, Drill Bits, Files, and Chisels the following work has been accomplished within a days worth of working. No Photoshopping has been done on the following pictures. Top Bottom Work Nears Completion To Date the M14 stock is nearly finished. During the dremeling phase I accidently breached the walls of the fiberglass stock creating 4 some odd holes in the side of the gun. You will see these in the pictures. I have a Fiberglass repair kit so I will have to fiberglass up the entire handgrip area and parts around the trigger assembly. Overall the entire gun will need a new Krylon coating of paint. To my astonishment M14 stocks are filled with a styrofoam under a thin layer of fiberglass (all except the outermost layer) I have also determined that the wall around the hand grip is too small to dremel out for the motor so be carefull and if you attempt this you may have to get a fiberglass repair kit and patch some holes! Fiberglass is tough so i'm sure it wont break especially if you put a layer of very small wire mesh over the hole area and around the hand grip and patch it with fiberglass repair kit stuff. Pics To Date: The Battery Compartment More Pictures soon, just thought I'd lay down the update and a Warning to all trying to do this conversion! In the pictures above, I have not had a chance to clean off the internals or the outer apparel so the white powder is actually fiberglass dust! By the finished product the entire gun will be back to its black/woodland cammo scheme for all to enjoy and drool at! Link to post Share on other sites
mateo Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Looks good, but will the motor/gearbox have enough room so it doesn't overheat? The tm stock does have a l ittle more room though and you are going to dremel out some. Just something to consider, but I don't know a whole lot about tm m14's Good luck Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Looks good, but will the motor/gearbox have enough room so it doesn't overheat? The tm stock does have a l ittle more room though and you are going to dremel out some. Just something to consider, but I don't know a whole lot about tm m14's Good luck <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The thing I noticed is that it all fits in there quite well since the holes are already punched into the side, its just a matter of getting some fiberglass repair stuff to patch over them and around the stock to firm it up a bit. As far as the stock is concerned its done, thats the finished product minus the new paintjob and the fiberglass repair stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Uh dude, its not like the fiber stock is any different. Its not fan cooled or anything, so aslong as you dont empty like 6 hicaps in a single burst, you will be fine. Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge133 Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Damn PeaceKeeper that is a NICE job! You had better send me a pic of it when its done, I just may have to go out and buy a real M14 wood stock and do the same thing! EDIT: I didnt notice that the top picture was the finished project I thought it was one you found on google or somthing, anyways great job! Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Damn PeaceKeeper that is a NICE job! You had better send me a pic of it when its done, I just may have to go out and buy a real M14 wood stock and do the same thing! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hate to break it to you but this WILL NOT work on a real Wood Stock, the walls on the wood grip will shatter if you dremel them out this much. Under any use the real wood will crack and break in half. I have just ran into a major problem, My hop up tuning nob just broke off leaving half of itself in the hop assembly, I managed to recover all the parts (i think, and hope) Now i'm on a quest for either a.) a new hop up dial, or b.) an entirely new hop up... the later of the two is impossible as no replacement parts have been made yet (GOD DANGIT this blows) I'm not so sure I can find a replacement dial screw either... This ###### me off as this is my pride and joy and unfortunately, I might start crying. (I have my Gas Pistol as a back up but its just not the same ... I'm hoping TM Will release replacement hop ups soon because i'm ######....) Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge133 Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Wood stock: >< damn I really wanted my M14 to have the real wood goodness *Cries* Hop Up: that sucks man, how did you break the knob? I havnt even touched mine after I set it. Was it when you put the internals into the stock? I think your better off putting the M14 back together, selling it and buying a new one as I dont think the replacment parts for the M14 will be out within the year. Then when you get your new one you can be like me and baby it so much you regularly go over it with a dust cloth Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 well, wgc does have a KM all steel 1 piece hop up nob for sale. Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Wood stock: >< damn I really wanted my M14 to have the real wood goodness *Cries* Hop Up: that sucks man, how did you break the knob? I havnt even touched mine after I set it. Was it when you put the internals into the stock? I think your better off putting the M14 back together, selling it and buying a new one as I dont think the replacment parts for the M14 will be out within the year. Then when you get your new one you can be like me and baby it so much you regularly go over it with a dust cloth <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not an option man, and yes it was when i was putting it back together. Dusk, your a life saver man, I looked forever and didnt notice anything in particular that looked like it was for the hop up unit! +1 when i get a chance to. New metal thing for TM m14, en route! Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge133 Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Dusk you beat me! I just found that part too! PeaceKeeper I was joking, I know you would rather cut your own hands off before you sell your M14 Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Dusk you beat me! I just found that part too! PeaceKeeper I was joking, I know you would rather cut your own hands off before you sell your M14 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dang straight man dang straight! Waiting for WGC to give me my final invoice so i can send my money off and fix my gun... took the time to clean all the fiberglass dust off and put a swab down the barrel so sometime in the future i'll get some of it put back together and take it out and see how badly my HOP is messed lol. I'm actually more worried about not putting the hop back together correctly then anything. I found the little nub thing that is under that nob and thank god too! just a matter of figuring out why it wont be loose again like it was before (it sticks for some strange reason) I'll find a guide on that later when the part arrives Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge133 Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 But if by some chance, hell freezes over, and i eat a zebra whole that you sell your M14 I get to cut off your hands...not that I dont want to Link to post Share on other sites
Loe Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Impressive, im doing a conversion on a tanaka m40a1 and putting a mcmillan stock on it. Link to post Share on other sites
Catchv22 Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Well, if CAW can make a wood stock for the TM M14, I don't see why one can't be modified with time consuming detailed work. Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Well, if CAW can make a wood stock for the TM M14, I don't see why one can't be modified with time consuming detailed work. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With wood, it has certain grains that run in one direction... If to much pressure is applied to them they will break the wood stock... CAW's wood stock for the TM M14 is one of a few special styles made by numerous gun manufacturers called a Big Red Birch, the handle is about 1/8'' to 1/4'' ('' = inches mind you) larger on both sides of the handle. It was made for people with large hands. Someone else on the forums was putting their tm m14 into a big red birch one but i'm not sure the status of it I chose fiberglass because fiberglass is extremely strong even in thin layers. So as long as the walls stay an 1/8'' from the outside with the wall, the gun will remain extremely durable. Thats why i'm going over the handgaurd again with wire mesh and a fiberglass repair kit. I dont want my gun breaking in the field and i think that the hand gaurd is too thin in some spots (although it has 0 give to it, i cant compress the SOB for the life of me) Link to post Share on other sites
Dusk Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 a wood stock will work. I'm almost done with mine, but you can buy pre madewood ones from wgcshop. Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 a wood stock will work. I'm almost done with mine, but you can buy pre madewood ones from wgcshop. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well Just dont land on it funny, many ppl i've talked to said that theirs snapped when they landed on it... Now if your using it for a wall hanger thats a different story Link to post Share on other sites
Sarge133 Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Well Just dont land on it funny, many ppl i've talked to said that theirs snapped when they landed on it... Now if your using it for a wall hanger thats a different story <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which is a sad sad existence for such an effective rifle, me im gonna stick with my plastic stock and use it in battles, no damage so far I baby mine far more than my M15A4 which is in perfect condition because I havnt been able to take it out in a skirmish yet. Cant wait for spring then I have M14 and M16 goodness for my loadout Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Which is a sad sad existence for such an effective rifle, me im gonna stick with my plastic stock and use it in battles, no damage so far I baby mine far more than my M15A4 which is in perfect condition because I havnt been able to take it out in a skirmish yet. Cant wait for spring then I have M14 and M16 goodness for my loadout <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dunno, maybe I should revoke your M14 Brotherhood membership jk More pics coming soon, i just got my gun all cleaned up and it is one SEXY rifle... still has the damn holes in the stock though Bondo/Fiberglass repair kit is going to be my friend as my dad and I are going to bondo the entire handgrip area and the trigger gaurd area as well... Still lots of work not to mention other minor tasks such as the Hop Up stuff... Link to post Share on other sites
Blastyman Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 You said it can't be done to wood but it has been done to wood and I am not the only one. I been using this gun since august with a wood stock almost every week. Its as solid as a baseball bat. Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 You said it can't be done to wood but it has been done to wood and I am not the only one. I been using this gun since august with a wood stock almost every week. Its as solid as a baseball bat. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> is that the CAW one or is that a real M14 stock converted? Link to post Share on other sites
Blastyman Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Real one I bought for 25 bucks at local gunshop. I would never pay that ridiculous price for the CAW one. Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Real one I bought for 25 bucks at local gunshop. I would never pay that ridiculous price for the CAW one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just out of curiosity have you tripped and fell with it yet? have you actually been rough with it? I'm curious because fiberglass is supposed to be tuffer then wood but i'm not 100% sure yet Link to post Share on other sites
Blastyman Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 What do you want a video of me cracking heads with it. Like I said the thing is tough. I am not sure of wood but its a very sturdy kind. I have tripped with it and knocked on a good many trees. (m14 being so long and all) If the stock felt flimsy I would not be using it cause last thing I would want is the gun falling apart on the field. Link to post Share on other sites
UrPeaceKeeper Posted December 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 What do you want a video of me cracking heads with it. Like I said the thing is tough. I am not sure of wood but its a very sturdy kind. I have tripped with it and knocked on a good many trees. (m14 being so long and all) If the stock felt flimsy I would not be using it cause last thing I would want is the gun falling apart on the field. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> weird... i'm hoping to finish my stock and go skirmish with it... The gun still works so everythign is good to go just need to get my hop put back together and holes patched and some special spacers made to fill in gaps in the stock and BOOM i'm cocked locked and ready to rock! Link to post Share on other sites
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