[BigAl]

Cool, gotta get a couple.

[Shao14]

So, any updates on these?

[gooseman]

So, any updates on these?

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I managed to pick one up and the new SCW3 hopup system looks very promising. They basically copied the TM hopup system. The bb now sits directly behind the hopup bump just before being shot out.
The old WA system had the bb sitting behind some "speed bump" that was before the actual hopup bump (This was necessary because the speed bump had to keep the bb from being pushed out the barrel because the floating valve's strong spring was pushing against the bb). The end result was the bb had to get out of the "staging area" precisely on every shot without any unwanted spin being imparted on it. In practice, this rarely happened and that's why WA guns tend to shoot left/right as the bb goes past 40 ft. (because of the slight lateral spin put on the bb as it passes through the speed bump).
The SCW3 system completely removes the staging area, and now has the bb sitting directly behind the hopup rubber (just like Tokyo Marui hopup system).
To neccesate this new system, the floating valve spring has been drastically weakened (because it can't be too strong or else it will push the bb past the hopup rubber and the bb will end up rolling out of the barrel prematurely).

In short, the new SCW3 system looks to be much more accurate than the previous WA systems. I haven't tested it at long ranges but I'm confident there won't be any left/right bb spin anymore (since the only rubber piece spinning the bb is the actual hopup rubber).

[snowman]

Is the gas system the same as SCW2?

Cheers.

[Vektor]

I assume that these MagnaTechs and SCW3s still accept regular WA SCWX magazines (21 rounders)?

[gooseman]

Is the gas system the same as SCW2?

Cheers.

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Yes, from the looks of it, they didn't change the gas system at all. The muzzle loader thingy is identical to the SCW2 as is the gas valve in the magazine. Blowback is hard and crisp as before. Looks like WA finally ironed out all of their wrinkles... at long last a WA gun that shoots as good as it looks.

[gooseman]

I assume that these MagnaTechs and SCW3s still accept regular WA SCWX magazines (21 rounders)?

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Yea, I was able to use my old SCW2 magazine in it and it shot fine. No worries in that regard.

[Catchv22]

I hope they sell these new hop up/barrel systems seperately...

How's the build material? They were supposed to switch from HW to ABS weren't they?

[sacairsoftsn00py]

A friend of mine who recently made a purchase from den put an order for one for me. He said it came in the mail today. I'm meeting with him tomorrow to pick up my new WA SCW3/Magnatech Colt 1911A1 Military and a spare 21rd magazine for it.

I couldnt wait so I asked him a few questions about it.

Priced at 13,800 JPY...It is cheaper than the list price for the TM M9 Military.

Here's what I found out from asking my friend questions about it:

It has a fixed rear sight. This means that the rear sight along with the front sight is made of plastic (similar plastic used in the TM M9 Biohazards).

This also means that the slide does not have cutouts for the front/rear sights as the slide/front sight assemble is in one piece. While some would say "that sucks", it is actually a good thing. Why? Because cut outs means that the plastic's structure is more sturdy. That and there won't be screws to to get loose. No more missing front/rear sights.

Other than that, these parts are metal:
1. Outer Barrel
2. Recoil Guide Rod Assembly
3. Magazine Release
4. Thumb Safety
5. Grip Safety
6. Mainspring Housing
7. Slide Catch

The Hop System

According to my friend, it is not similar to that of the SCW/SCW2 ones. On the Newest model, the Hop System is fixed.

The question is...what weight of BBs will get you good range?

The Hammer System

It is similar to the SCW2 transfer hammer system. No worries about pins falling out (like what the SCW1 systems did)

That's it for now. I'll confirm wether these are all true within 24 hours. I could also put some photos up.

[screamin_weasel]

if anybody could report how saefly this will run on propane, it would be greatly appreciated

[Utty]

This also means that the slide does not have cutouts for the front/rear sights as the slide/front sight assemble is in one piece. While some would say "that sucks", it is actually a good thing. Why? Because cut outs means that the plastic's structure is more sturdy. That and there won't be screws to to get loose. No more missing front/rear sights.

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Right... but that also means that metal upgrade kits will have to include sights as well.

[sacairsoftsn00py]

if anybody could report how saefly this will run on propane, it would be greatly appreciated

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IMO This will hold up great with propane provided that it is not 90-100 degrees Fahrenheit outside.

I'm uploading photos in a moment and will be posting them shortly.

[sacairsoftsn00py]

Right... but that also means that metal upgrade kits will have to include sights as well.

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True. If you think about it, PGC already has front sights built in with their 1911A1 Military Metal Slide. I don't see how making a metal slide with a fixed rear sight would be an issue.

Again, there wont be any worries with the rear sight comming off of a metal slide with both a front and rear sight permanently affixed to the slide.

[sacairsoftsn00py]

I've shot a couple of hundred rounds with the pistol already...here are some photos as well as my comments about the gun.

Sorry, I'm not in the mood for writing a more detailed review but my input on the WA Magnatech Colt 1911A1 should be more than helpful...

Trademarks are hollow. Similar to KSC Glock trademarks.

It does have a fixed rear sight.



It uses the same firing pin/hammer assembly as the WA SCW2.



The Hop is fixed. Notice that there is no set screw (to where they go on the older SCW system inner barrel/hop assemblies).




It was no more than 65 degrees outside today. I used Green Gas and tried the following BB's:

Excel .20g BBs
Marui .25g BBs
Straight .30g BBs (off-white)

Both the Excel and Marui brand/weight BBs curved up.

Straight .30g BBs sail. They chrono about 240-250 FPS with that weight of BBs (sorry I didnt chrono it with .20g BBs).

I know that it is a gas pistol and you can't really compare it to AEG/Spring Rifle FPS outputs. But, a Maruzen APS2 SV (which shoots 328 FPS with .20g BBs out of the box) shoots about 260 FPS with Maruzen .30g BBs.

The pistol shoots 10-20 FPS lower than that. If the two FPS output between the Maruzen APS2 and the WA Magnatech 1911A1 Military, the pistol would be shooting right around 308-318 FPS with .20g BBs.

I'm sure some of you guys will be able to find a way to fiddle around with the hop so you could use lighter weight BBs.

So, if .20g and .25g BBs curve up...how's the range with Straight .30g BBs?

I was hitting a garbage can that was 63 paces away. I'm estimating that its a good 150+ feet. It was shooting just short of my 360 FPS CA M249 Para (then again I was using .20g BBs through it...but still!)

[BARsrule2]

Damn! Sounds pretty good for USD 112! I think I may have to pick this up.

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[sacairsoftsn00py]

Damn! Sounds pretty good for USD 112! I think I may have to pick this up.

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You better believe it!

I've owned a few WA .45's over the past 4 years. I don't keep my stuff because I get bored of them.

I think it just replaced the TM M9 as the best bang for the buck.

Then again the TM M9 magazines hold more BBs than these...That and WA mags cost a bit more...But, an M9 isn't a 1911

[Utty]

Very interesting - impressive results.

[BARsrule2]

Too bad about the hop-up though, would have liked to use .25s. Would it just be a matter of making/buying a softer bucking?

[snowman]

Maybe it'll be less aggressive with a bit of wear?

Cheers.

[screamin_weasel]

i hope so. i use almost exclusively .2's in all my guns, i dont want to have to start shelling out for .3's, especially as i use pistols quite a lot.