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[nightfire6]

Its now for preorder at Redwolf.

For $105.

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airs...&menu2=45#21444

[HaVoC]

If this is anywhere near as nice as their 1911, they're onto a winner. I know the gun itself isn't new news, but y'know

Edited by HaVoC, 27 October 2006 - 10:36 PM.

[MagicalNinjaBuddy]

Direct Link- http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/prod...sp?prodID=21444

[Stealthbomber]

Can't really see the point myself.

Seems a bit cynical and underhanded of TM to produce a G17 and compete with KSC/KWA for sales rather than producing a different model of gun altogether.

For the same amount of R&D it took to produce a gun which can't really be much better than an existing product, we could have had a new HiPower or a 5-7.

[Rapier]

Umm, they didn't have to do much in the way of R&D. They already have the internals for a glock. There are lots of existing full frame glocks on the market. All they had to do was rip one off for the mold. Done! Hell, it's going to use the same mags as the G26 advanced!

Oh, and I can promis you those are not Tritium sights. Try photoluminecent, IE glow in the dark paint.

Edited by Rapier, 27 October 2006 - 11:00 PM.

[Stealthbomber]

Umm, they didn't have to do much in the way of R&D. They already have the internals for a glock. There are lots of existing full frame glocks on the market. All they had to do was rip one off for the mold. Done! Hell, it's going to use the same mags as the G26 advanced!

Oh, and I can promis you those are not Tritium sights. Try photoluminecent, IE glow in the dark paint.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So, you buying one?

[Rapier]

Umm, no. I am not a big glock person. Great guns but they just don't fit my hand right.

However I may buy one of the CYMA glock AEP's just so I'll have a cheap sidearm for playing in the winter.

[Stealthbomber]

However I may buy one of the CYMA glock AEP's just so I'll have a cheap sidearm for playing in the winter.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Heh. Actually I was just thinking exactly the same thing. Anything for an easy life.

[Sale]

I think TM has done enough market study to be quite certain their Glock 17 is going to sell really well. When a manufacturer makes a product, they want to sell it. Honestly I think TM knows their business strategy better than the average airsofter, who questions the point of this gun. The Glock 17 is the basic gun and there's a market for it. That's enough points to make one.

-Sale

[Shao14]

I know I'm getting one to accompany my KSC G17. Not from Redwolf though.

[Stealthbomber]

I think TM has done enough market study to be quite certain their Glock 17 is going to sell really well. When a manufacturer makes a product, they want to sell it. Honestly I think TM knows their business strategy better than the average airsofter, who questions the point of this gun. The Glock 17 is the basic gun and there's a market for it. That's enough points to make one.

-Sale

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Indeed.

As you'll be well aware, no self-respecting hobbyist from Japan or HK can bear to be seen without THE latest gizmo. Gotta have the latest mobile phone, the latest MP3 player and the latest airsoft stuff.
Rampant consumerism FTW.

Sure, people will flood to buy it for a few months, until something arrives to replace it. Then it will become another shelf-filler.
My point is that TM could have created the same sales-rush for a new product BUT supplied something like a HiPower or 5-7 (among others) which the market has rarely seen before.

To me, this is very similar to them announcing that they have released a new M4 or something. Just begs the question; "Why bother?"

[Monk]

Indeed.

As you'll be well aware, no self-respecting hobbyist from Japan or HK can bear to be seen without THE latest gizmo. Gotta have the latest mobile phone, the latest MP3 player and the latest airsoft stuff.
Rampant consumerism FTW.

Sure, people will flood to buy it for a few months, until something arrives to replace it. Then it will become another shelf-filler.
My point is that TM could have created the same sales-rush for a new product BUT supplied something like a HiPower or 5-7 (among others) which the market has rarely seen before.

To me, this is very similar to them announcing that they have released a new M4 or something. Just begs the question; "Why bother?"

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

They bother for the same reason they've released so many M4 variants: they sell. Tokyo Marui knows that they can sell these in every airsoft outlet. Some one new to airsoft is going to trust the same company he got his AEG from. The pistols will drive AEG sales as the AEG sales drive GBBs. It's like when Eggo announced a few years ago that they'd start making syrup. It's synergy. Ask yourself, which is easier to find in shops, a KSC M9, or a TM M9? The TMs sell better, not because they're superior, but because they're more common, a more trusted name, and a good selection of aftermarket upgrades.

Here's a little challenge to all Arnies people: How many threads announcing a new pistol can you find that do not include someone bringing up the lack of a 5-7 on the market?

[Utty]

To me, this is very similar to them announcing that they have released a new M4 or something. Just begs the question; "Why bother?"

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Aha. You've got to be kidding me.

How many great M4 models are on the market now? More than I can count.

Now, how many half-decent Glock 17 models are on the market now? And don't say KSC, remember I asked for half-decent ones.

*crickets*

That's right. This TM Glock 17 will simply fill a HUGE hole in the airsoft Glock market, finally. I've had enough of all those weenie compact Glocks out there, I want my 17.

[Wege]

Utty.. why you saying "Half-decent"?

Are you saying that the KSC is indecent, or above half-decent?

[Rapier]

To me, this is very similar to them announcing that they have released a new M4 or something. Just begs the question; "Why bother?"

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Because the G17 is a standard LE and Military style pistol. They have all sorts of Glocks out, but none of them are a "standard issue" style. There are a LOT of people that will only use TM guns. Those people will be extatic to get a G17 from TM.

[snowman]

True, but it is a shame they didn't release something more interesting...

The KSC Glocks are fine, the market didn't really need another one, even though it will undoubtedly sell well.

Still, if it's as nicely made as TM's 1911, it'll be a winner!

Cheers.

Edited by snowman, 28 October 2006 - 09:54 AM.

[Sale]

Where were you complaining when KSC started making Glocks? We already had MGC making perfectly good G17s, G18s and G19s. KSC could also have made something else than the USP, because Tanaka and Tanio Koba had made those for ages. And why on earth did CA, G&P, ICS and all the others release their short AR-15 variants, when there already was the TM. Why did TM even make the M4A1 in the late nineties, when they sold the XM177E2 pretty well?

You can always try to resist when times change, but you always end up losing.

Whenever a new pistol comes out nowadays, people whine about the Five seveN. I'm willing to bet when it's released, people will crave for something else. The consumerism Stealthbomber is criticizing doesn't go away even if someone releases something different.

-Sale

[snowman]

Have you ever seen an MGC Glock?

Of course people will crave something else, but not something else the same as what we have...

Why do you think there's always a 'What gun do you wish they made?' thread active? Obviously, the realities of the Japanese market drive what manufacturers make, but I'm sure a GOOD Browning Hi-Power or FN 5-7 would sell.

I don't know, will Japanese KSC Glock 17 owners really rush out and buy a TM one? I wouldn't, if it was me, but I'm not Japanese (or a Glock 17 owner, actually )

Cheers.

Edited by snowman, 28 October 2006 - 11:34 AM.

[hitmanNo2]

I dont really like TMs or Glocks but I may just get one to shoot in the dark

[sadigh]

I thought that TM was going to be releasing the night sights seperately?