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BrusBilis
Project ZOXNA PROTOTYPE

We are currently developing our new MORTAR AND PROYECTIL HL2 ZOXNA, suitable both for AIRSOFT as PAINTBALL

Features:

* Built entirely in aluminum
* Suitable for play or AIRSOFT PAINTBALL
* Patented Product No. P200701279
* Recharge with or CO2 GREEN GAS
* Set in range and drift
* Caliber: 75mm
* Range : approximately 200 Meters

As everyone knows, there is a lack in AIRSOFT and PAINTBALLING which is the artillery. To solve this problem ZOXNA is working on a new MORTAR and PROYECTIL suitable for AIRSOFT and PAINTBALLING

ON SALE SOON



www.zoxna.com
Hedganian
What will this fire? Some sort shell that "explodes" on impact or just a big cloud of BBs (like a moscart)
Edmiles
Yeah I saw this on the homepage and was curious, 200m is impressive!! Almost every site would ban it if it fired anything shell-like as opposed to a nice shower of BB's.
Abelius
At least the shell looks pretty... heavy. Imagining how it hits somebody in the head 100m away and knocks him out. biggrin.gif
Catman
I refuse to get excited until I see what sort of shell/object this will launch. There's been a load of discussions on making mortars for airsoft and no one has yet up up with an effective and safe delivery method. I do hope that's not the case here.
lin_pointer
alot of money for a sall result, i mean how many people is gonna call out when showered by few bbs 200 m away, they prabobly wouldnt even feel it
EdrrakNolat
Maybe a jerk/parachute system?
Shoots into the air w/ compressed air, as the canister tips over, a chute deploys to slow it, opening a hole on the bottom of the canister, and maybe another compressed air shot to shoot them out shotgun style?
choffman10
Meh... It's just too easy and fun to build your own.

Although, 200 meters is pretty dang far...
oldman1980
Again I find myself having to agree the the group. I would like to see what type of cartridge / shell this mortor fires before making any judgments.
Shinden
I'll take a guess that it might fire a sabot round holding a payload of BBs. The motor fires the 75mm size sabot and as its velocity reduces, the casings falls apart and the payload drops on target. That or perhaps a special foam grenade or just a volley of BBs in the air. Another could be a coke bottle lol.
BruisBilis, perhaps you could be interested in doing a 75mm Recoil Less Gun? I'd believe that would be an excellent product after your successful launch of the Mortar.
SpecialistR
An airsoft RAWS or Carl Gustaf would be yum.
Nihil_75
an airsoft bb falling will not be felt by the target.
you can shoot it upwards at 500 fps if u like, it won't fall at the same speed.
I dont know whats a BB's terminal speed is, I think it might be 55 m/s ( 176 fps).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity
Hedganian
Where did you pull this 176fps value from?

And what evidence do you have that it is even vaguely correct?
farrasdevell
dunno about the mortar but the grenade looks fairly spenky. shall have to see how the price compairs to the AI grenade on release.
lewis hiscock
if its just a BB shower then it will be pointless.
if it fires a projectile that lets off BB's in second stage then
it needs to be bloody clever as this is a bit of a legal minefield
especially in the UK
BenjaminRombough
i have visions of someone shooting a gun up in the air and chasing a falling bb with a chrono lol tongue.gif

Be interested to see the delivery method on this item as i can not see many sites allowing shells knocking people out 200m down range
Semtex
QUOTE (farrasdevell @ Mar 19 2008, 01:04 PM) *
dunno about the mortar but the grenade looks fairly spenky. shall have to see how the price compairs to the AI grenade on release.


Have to say that got my attention to, looks a pretty good design.
Angry
Thats the grenade with the ridiculously long fuse delay isn't it?
Shriven
Meh... it'll be like ALL the other "Airsoft mortars" around... too dangerous to use, or bloody pointless.
Kalashnikov_kid
OMG have you seen the video of the grenade detonating? It sucks sooo bad dry.gif bb just pop out of it. EPIC FAIL sad.gif

K_K
[BS]_MARS
QUOTE (Kalashnikov_kid @ Mar 19 2008, 11:23 AM) *
OMG have you seen the video of the grenade detonating? It sucks sooo bad dry.gif bb just pop out of it. EPIC FAIL sad.gif

K_K



No, can you post it?
wheaties
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeDfmXXFJv4

I'm assuming this is the grenade you are all talking about, if it is this is the best video i could find.
Kurtz
I guess Kalashnikov_kid is talking about this two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCoPYC20r20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL9MRk0OAmg

Saludos!
Jaager
those "Nades" are actually quite a good idea, as a trap rather than a grenade you throw. as the pointman can trip it, then the time delay means half the squad can get into the kill zone before it detonates.

im not sure how a mortar would work, it would be cool if it could fire pyro like tennis ball grenades, but that sort of thing is illegal.
UrPeaceKeeper
QUOTE (Jaager @ Mar 19 2008, 03:49 PM) *
those "Nades" are actually quite a good idea, as a trap rather than a grenade you throw. as the pointman can trip it, then the time delay means half the squad can get into the kill zone before it detonates.

im not sure how a mortar would work, it would be cool if it could fire pyro like tennis ball grenades, but that sort of thing is illegal.


AM I the only one here who is thinking something like a nerf football with the tail fins and everything? I've been shot at about 50ft with one and it feels like someone threw it really hard and hit you with it. I would imagine at a distance it would hurt even less especially since it's angle of attack is rediculously steep. It's also not hard to get a 203 to shoot 300ft (roughly, and I mean roughly 90m) using Green Gas and a 45 degree launch angle. Bump that up to CO2 and who knows about the possibilities. Who knows maybe it will launch like a real one where you drop it in the tube and off it goes!
creepingfear
Thing is though, would an airsoft mortar be of any real use in a skirmish. I'm only thinking about UK sites here as most UK sites are woodland resulting in any (possible) mortar launch being impeeded (sp?) by things called trees on the way out and on the way back in.
Daemondog
QUOTE (UrPeaceKeeper @ Mar 19 2008, 07:45 PM) *
AM I the only one here who is thinking something like a nerf football with the tail fins and everything? I've been shot at about 50ft with one and it feels like someone threw it really hard and hit you with it. I would imagine at a distance it would hurt even less especially since it's angle of attack is rediculously steep. It's also not hard to get a 203 to shoot 300ft (roughly, and I mean roughly 90m) using Green Gas and a 45 degree launch angle. Bump that up to CO2 and who knows about the possibilities. Who knows maybe it will launch like a real one where you drop it in the tube and off it goes!



I think your right. I remember reading some where that the motar will take green gas or CO2 with a range of 300+ ft. That to me sounds like a nerf launcer. Paintball shops already sell those without the "legs" as a motar would have.

I have one. Aluminum construction in the form of a rocket launcher. Slap some legs on her and instant motar.

Kalashnikov_kid
The vid in queation is
###### poor grenade

AI grenade pwns this hard!

K_K
vtb
Well - if it's shooting at propose ranges and it's kinda safe to be played with - i'd like to see the results.

BTW - metal M203 + Madbull PB4 shell + madbull CO2 fill adapter = 50-70 meters of warhead travel (would it be nerf or would it be *illegal item removed by Pablo*)
lewis hiscock
another point to mention is that if its a BB shower firing over a high trajectory, those BB's will simply get swept away by the wind travelling at such a low (and quickly decreasing) FPS and end up landing nowhere near thier intended target.
Hedganian
QUOTE (lewis hiscock @ Mar 23 2008, 05:52 PM) *
...end up landing nowhere near thier intended target.


Just like the real artillery then? They're not called "Drop-Shorts" because they moon the enemy... unsure.gif
Wolfy
Looks interesting but as others have posted slightly nervous about the projectile. Just hope it is safe to use in this country.
ScottyT
QUOTE (UrPeaceKeeper @ Mar 20 2008, 12:45 AM) *
AM I the only one here who is thinking something like a nerf football with the tail fins and everything? I've been shot at about 50ft with one and it feels like someone threw it really hard and hit you with it. I would imagine at a distance it would hurt even less especially since it's angle of attack is rediculously steep. It's also not hard to get a 203 to shoot 300ft (roughly, and I mean roughly 90m) using Green Gas and a 45 degree launch angle. Bump that up to CO2 and who knows about the possibilities. Who knows maybe it will launch like a real one where you drop it in the tube and off it goes!


That is exactly what we are using in our mortars here in Utah! We can get an easy 100m out of them. We use a 20ft blast radius, line-of-sight kill rule and it has worked out VERY well!
jimbothepainter
I agree with Scotty there, in that if it's all ok'd with the site owner etc and you work with the site marshals, I see no reason why a nerf ball type thing can't be launched, and it's declared that everyone within 25m is dead. Of course that would be friends and foe but such is war!
Here in the Uk it's not legal to launch much more than a ping pong ball, but as long as it's agreed by all then a nerf should be ok. One of the screamer ones should give a sense of realism to the occaision too!
ScottyT
QUOTE (jimbothepainter @ Mar 25 2008, 12:32 AM) *
I agree with Scotty there, in that if it's all ok'd with the site owner etc and you work with the site marshals, I see no reason why a nerf ball type thing can't be launched, and it's declared that everyone within 25m is dead. Of course that would be friends and foe but such is war!
Here in the Uk it's not legal to launch much more than a ping pong ball, but as long as it's agreed by all then a nerf should be ok. One of the screamer ones should give a sense of realism to the occaision too!


I love the screamer idea!!!
4boost
QUOTE (EdrrakNolat @ Mar 18 2008, 04:21 PM) *
Maybe a jerk/parachute system?
Shoots into the air w/ compressed air, as the canister tips over, a chute deploys to slow it, opening a hole on the bottom of the canister, and maybe another compressed air shot to shoot them out shotgun style?



Lol, ok Mr. Wile E. Coyote.
SilentCpt
QUOTE (Hedganian @ Mar 23 2008, 02:28 PM) *
Just like the real artillery then? They're not called "Drop-Shorts" because they moon the enemy... unsure.gif




I've tried that tactic before.... it had the same effect as a flash-bang, temporarily incapacitating the other team, but I ended up with a couple of unpleasant welts in an unusual area.
1st_shooter
I think theres a line when it comes to airsoft like airborne UAV's and Hi power projectile launchers.
Not only is it gonna be hard to get anything unlike a nerf rocket to work properly how well would this even work in the field in terms of getting hit, surely it wouldnt feel like a proper hit like AEG fire it would be really problematic in terms of players not recognising a hit from a bb mortar and lots of effort and time for something that looks kwl but doesnt work very well.
ScottyT
QUOTE (1st_shooter @ Mar 25 2008, 05:28 PM) *
I think theres a line when it comes to airsoft like airborne UAV's...



Mini AEG + Kick ass RC Heli or plane = OMFG!! Death from above!!

I would love to see someone try this!
jimbothepainter
We had a look at this idea, fitting a mini camera to a R/C helicopter to get footage of enemy positions. A couple of guys at our range are taking up rc helo flying but its not cheap, they keep crashing, or easy, they keep crashing, and if they ever get good enough to fly over any distance and get footage, they would be mighty peeved if some airsofter just decides to put 300 rounds into it cos it was flying above him.
hhairsoft
QUOTE (UrPeaceKeeper @ Mar 19 2008, 05:45 PM) *
AM I the only one here who is thinking something like a nerf football with the tail fins and everything? I've been shot at about 50ft with one and it feels like someone threw it really hard and hit you with it. I would imagine at a distance it would hurt even less especially since it's angle of attack is rediculously steep. It's also not hard to get a 203 to shoot 300ft (roughly, and I mean roughly 90m) using Green Gas and a 45 degree launch angle. Bump that up to CO2 and who knows about the possibilities. Who knows maybe it will launch like a real one where you drop it in the tube and off it goes!


Nerf rockets are the best way to go for a mortor. You will get much more distance than fireing bbs alone. Plus it adds a little more realism to the concept of an airsoft "mortor." My roomate and I are working on making our own mortor right now and thats what we're planing on shooting
scorch
QUOTE (hhairsoft @ Mar 26 2008, 06:22 AM) *
Nerf rockets are the best way to go for a mortor. You will get much more distance than fireing bbs alone. Plus it adds a little more realism to the concept of an airsoft "mortor." My roomate and I are working on making our own mortor right now and thats what we're planing on shooting



I can't see it working that well. If you were pumped with adrenaline from a charge into a covered position under fire and a nerf ball landed 4 feet behind you while you were firing, I doubt you'd notice.

With the kill radius rule, you should be dead, but if you didn't notice then you'd be unintentionally cheating. Unless, of course, the marshalls can be guaranteed to see EVERY ball land, and enforce the rule.
Jaager
QUOTE (hhairsoft @ Mar 26 2008, 06:22 AM) *
Nerf rockets are the best way to go for a mortor. You will get much more distance than fireing bbs alone. Plus it adds a little more realism to the concept of an airsoft "mortor." My roomate and I are working on making our own mortor right now and thats what we're planing on shooting


if it can fire nerf projectiles, then it probably would be able to fire Mk.5's and other pyro, which would probably make it illegal in the UK and many other countries, and if it doesnt make a load bang, nobody is really going to notice it much, so theres not much point.
ScottyT
QUOTE (scorch @ Mar 26 2008, 11:48 PM) *
I can't see it working that well. If you were pumped with adrenaline from a charge into a covered position under fire and a nerf ball landed 4 feet behind you while you were firing, I doubt you'd notice.

With the kill radius rule, you should be dead, but if you didn't notice then you'd be unintentionally cheating. Unless, of course, the marshalls can be guaranteed to see EVERY ball land, and enforce the rule.



I thought that would be a problem, but we have been using mortars at our games for several months now and I don't think this has been an issue yet. Most people are watching for mortars -- you can definitely hear the loud "thwump" of the air cannon being fired. Friendlies who see it will usually bring it to the attention of others nearby...

I am truly surprised at how well it is working out.
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