It's SCAR Gen4

I wonder what mags it uses - G&P/WA or proprietary.

the more suspicious side of me is tempted to say WE...

looks good,

but the real question is ; "you want kick by some thing?"

Judging by how the bolt and the trigger assembly looks I'd bet on a WA system

#$#$%^$##@#&$#*$*%$$#%$#%#$#$ I was just about to pull the trigger on the WE, now I have to wait for this. I am trying not to get too excited becasue we all remember the GBB SCAR Inokatsu promised us two years ago

EDIT: Also what is new on the Gen. IV? The only diffence I see is the CQC flash hider, but that is just an add-on.
I just hope the VFC has proper blowback, the bolt on the WE only goes back about halfway.

WE SCAR GBB? Not much different from the airsoft Gen 2/3-just a different flash hider. The Gen 4 has an AAC 3-prong SCAR hider.

Is VFC finally jumping on the GBB wagon? If so I'm in!! Hope they come out with more models

my dream would be for a GBB G36, but a nice GBB SCAR do just fine for me

EDIT: *fruitcage* I just realized how much this thing is gonna cost...looking at the G&P GBBs they cost $200-$300 more than their AEG counterparts. If this is the case with the VFC we're looking at a potentially $600-$700 gun ! Good thing I've got $700 !

Now this is the news I've been waiting for! I'm very happy to see that VFC isn't going to be left behind on the GBB-R wagon. It will be very interesting to see what other models they release in the future

Though it does make the decision on which system to support (WE based or WA based) all the more tough.

We can support both perhaps??..both have upgradeable/replaceable parts..more for the WA system than the WE..and yet the WE has more affordable mags although now others are coming out for the WA such as GHK mags. Who knows maybe VFC might have their own, or may just copy a design.

I'd be all for that, but the issue here is that each systems mag's are currently incompatible with each other, buying two different sets of STANAG mags will get expensive very quickly.

My hope is that VFC did their own thing and modified the WA system or even made their own. They were sort of ahead of their compition with their bolt stop and ambi-safety desgins, so lets hope this inovation carries over to their GBB's. I am just hopeing they didn't copy WE, because I had just gotten over that *fruitcage* brass cylinder when I realized the bolt only went back half way. *facepalm*

Very very true ironwolf. I've always been a big fan of VFC and their AEG series, along with their extreme attention to detail. Hopefully whatever design they went with, all the kinks should be relatively worked out. And as for the mags, perhaps regardless I'm sure someone else is gonna come out with a cheap copy that would be affordable for us all who want to join the GBB wagon. I personally have been going back and forth trying to figure out which one to go with, but as patience shows, the more you wait the more there will be to see.

I my eyes there is no "wrong" chioce. I think the WE is the better system because it is cheaper and is more reliable. That doesn't mean that I prefer it, however, because I think the realism of the WA puts it ahead of the WE. What it all comes down to is which system you prefer; it's as simple as that.

I absolutely agree with you Oggy..If I had the money I'd take that Mk18 metal body kit off your hands...*hint hint I just might hint hint*...and make myself a realistic as can be dream Mk18, which of course can yet be done with the WE system. And I do agree the WE seems to be more skirmishable out of the box as compared to the G&P WOCs, which I'm sure are with a bit of upgrade parts. In the end it does all come down to personal preference as well as affordable budget.

The Gen IV has a redesigned selector which is actually very nice. They reduced the throw required to switch between safe, semi and auto.

One side is also shorter so that way it doesnt interfere with your trigger finger.

The front and rear sights were also slightly redesigned.

The color on this VFC replica is still a little bit off.

WooHoo!

I'm loving this constant stream of new gas blowback rifles! Mind you I have zero interest in a SCAR (looks too much like a fish for my taste) but the rising popularity of gas blowback rifles can only be a good thing IMHO. Now, as soon as someone puts out a GBB MP5 with a bolt that locks when the mag is empty I'll be first in line to buy it. I'm thrilled that there's a gas blowback MP7 on the way from KWA and I've already got one on preorder, but I sure would like a MP5 as well

Just captured this image from the RA Tech test video of the WE Scar L
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other than colour it looks the same bolt as the VFC picture.

Maybe better quality material on the VFC version?

The magazine pictured in the initial post looks different to both the WE and WA type mags, peculiar...

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression the bolt on a real MP5 doesn't lock back after the last round? Hence the need to pull back on the cocking handle, lock it up and give it the HK slap as part of the reloading process.

your absolutely right CKinnerley, the bolt doesn't lock back. I've shot an MP5k (real one) on both semi and full before, and both times I had to lock the bolt back and give it the ol' HK slap.

erm dont the current scars have a selector that works the same as an m4 ? i.e 180 degrees of travel instead of 90 ?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&...0622&page=1

I didn't see any typical WE nozzle parts in the pic of the VFC

anyone else not noticed the poster saus "2009 AUG Coming soon"

i guess thats august 2009

No it doesn't! Look at the front of the VFC bolt carrier, the bolt (in airsoft called the nozzle) resembles that of a RS M16 and SCAR, or that of the WA M4. On the WE, the bolt (aka nozzle) looks completely different.

What may have led you to say they look the same is the shape of the bolt carrier. Both VFC and WE apper to have tried to replicate the shape of a RS SCAR bolt carrier, thus the resemblance.


EDIT: Sort of beaten to it and 'aimpoint', excellent link, it also appers that the trades are engraved rather than etched. I hope VFC knew about this stuff, because if it is going on sale in August, chances are it is already in production.

Isn't it obvious that it's referring to the high you get from sniffing propane? ;O

if they're making SCAR-H as well, probably GBB Mk11/M110 is on the way, they use the same mag.

Looking at it again it looks like it is a Gen. III 1/2. It has a short selector on one side but as 'aimpoint' said it doesn't have 90 degrees of travel between each setting. We have only seen the right side of the gun, however, so we don't know if it has the new engraved trademarks and the weapon ID tags found on the Gen. IV.

Lets hope they don't use proprietary mags, look how good they have been with releasing the SCAR-H midcaps and their EGLMs.

EGLM is actually coming, not a broken promice, I found some YouTube vids of VFC guys testing it out the other day.

I don't doubt that either are coming out, but their attention seems to drift from a weapon system once it has been released.

Are we sure that the generation IV or issued scars have a 180 degree throw?

I was under the impression the throw was 45 degrees per position and the total rotational throw was 90 degrees from safe to auto.

If these guys make a Heavy version I am sold. Also hopefully the mag and gas system is WA based.

Selector switch appears to be the same as current items up on the FnH pages.

Colours look good too, lots of photos of SCARs in the wild with the same bronzy brown as the VFCs.

It is a WA based system. If you look at the loading nozzle very closely it is a WA style loading nozzle. Any ways this thread is full of very non bias educated people. Mods lock this thread and only allow the people that have posted to have access......LOL

I am pretty sure. The article 'aimpoint' linked was actually written by an operator who was issued the SCAR, and I believe that only the Gen. IV's are issued (not positive). I any case, that weapon had the 90 degrees of travel between each setting, trademarks that were engraved prior to andonizing, an ACC flash hider, weapon ID badges, to different sized selector switches, an upper reciever that was noticibly darker that the lower, and amazing a stock that was a different color than the lower.

I just hope VFC replicated as many of those ^^ charactoristics as possible, but from the original picture it appears that they haven't met many.

You're most likely right although i find it weird that they didnt change the molding on the bodies to reflect that change besides moving the A.

look where the holes on the body are located, still in the same place as on the older 45 degree lowers.

Weird stuff but i guess it makes sense. In a high stress environment you're going to mash on that selector, i would imagine it was WAY too easy to go into full auto with only a 45 degree throw.

I was using my airsoft SCAR on a very regular basis, and then I changed to my 416.

Mid game I had to swap back after a few months of the M4 type selector and I found I was constantly bumping it to single when I though I was checking it on safe.

Here is full list of differences between the Gen. IV and Gen. III that I have noticed:


I sent the list along with the link to VFC but I am afriad that it might be too late to correct any of the errors *fingers-crossed*

EDIT: *fruitcage* I just noticed another difference, there are two sling loops on the left side of the gun and one on the right side. (On older model SCARs there was one loop on each side.)

EDIT 2: Ignore that, fiddle is right, I'm blind.

my vfc scar has two on left and one on right

Well, if it's WA based, I'm glad I got my WE SCAR in the mail.

Besides, VFC knows nothing about GBBR's. WE had success, and WA had tons of great pistols to back up their reputation, but VFC?

Ahh... but you'll notice I never said "a bolt that locks back when the magazine is empty".
I said, "a bolt that locks when the magazine is empty". Notice the absence of the word "back"

Yes, I am well aware that the real MP5 bolt locks forward when the magazine is empty, which would be easy enough to replicate in airsoft terms. Just look at the KWA/KSC Mac-11 to see how easy it is to design a bolt & mag system that will lock the bolt forward on an empty mag and require it to be cocked before being able to fire again.
Based on that I wouldn't think it would be too difficult for a company to design a proper working gas blowback MP5. Heck, I think WE already has one in the works

Why has no one just made a longer front end and stuck a stock on the GBB MP5k that's knocking around in various forms? Ah well...

Anyway, if this SCAR is WA based (certainly seems to be and that was my initial hope) then it would certainly be more motivation for buying WA GBBr magazines. Currently I've got 5 AEGs that take the exact same STANAG style mags which is a feature I really do like, and having various options of weapon that take the same gas mags would be very cool in my eyes.

If it takes WA mags then it would certainly make sense for people who is in the WA system to get this....and for people in WE system to get the WE SCAR....

and obviously it would be epic fail if it uses its own mag....

Care to provide us with a link to that video? (=

You are so right, and both Inokatsu and G&P had years of experience in gas pistols and rifles when they made their WA based rifles.

Thats why Inokatsu ARs failz, thought G&P hmm I guess they were good

Its good, people taking initiative in research. I am looking for a GBB Steyr AUG after this, for my drills

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