Shorty-swe
Aug 29 2009, 02:56 PM
Linky in german, with pretty pictures.WE releases new pictures of upcoming KAC PDW and takes opportunity to reveal GBB M14 and HK416. Also on the rack of new guns is a SCAR with magwell obstructed, dare we hope for SCAR-H?
Kipper
Aug 29 2009, 03:02 PM
GBB M14.. now that I would buy.
Kraut
Aug 29 2009, 03:06 PM
GBB M14. DO. WANT.
Why all the PDWs all of a sudden? Why not something more interesting like G36s, AKs or even some decent SMGs?
MODDAN
Aug 29 2009, 03:08 PM
Regarding the 416, you're a bit late mate...
Linky
Shorty-swe
Aug 29 2009, 03:15 PM
Yeah, realized that shortly after posting but M14 is news at least.
apmaman
Aug 29 2009, 03:18 PM
if you scroll down on that link posted in the OP you can get linked to a youtube account that has some videos of what appear to be the WE products and other things too.
BrooklynBorn
Aug 29 2009, 03:20 PM
I swear WE is being so super duper awesome with all this. This would explain why WETTI hasn't been posting much.
manik
Aug 29 2009, 03:21 PM
QUOTE (MODDAN @ Aug 29 2009, 03:08 PM)

Regarding the 416, you're a bit late mate...
LinkyBut the pic in the OP link has a pic of the finished product

MODDAN
Aug 29 2009, 03:24 PM
QUOTE (apmaman @ Aug 29 2009, 04:18 PM)

if you scroll down on that link posted in the OP you can get linked to a youtube account that has some videos of what appear to be the WE products and other things too.
Amongst other things,
these girls, who should not be allowed to handle weapons... EVER.
BrooklynBorn
Aug 29 2009, 03:26 PM
QUOTE (MODDAN @ Aug 29 2009, 11:24 AM)

Amongst other things,
these girls, who should not be allowed to handle weapons... EVER.
They tried to pull out the magazine, and is the EGLM made by WE?
also, they almost caused the dude next to them to require stitches
Stealthbomber
Aug 29 2009, 03:35 PM
Just wondering...
Are the WE SCAR L and HK416 actually licensed products?
Billy Bob the Sniper
Aug 29 2009, 03:46 PM
Yeah... I am gona have to buy that m14. M21 any one?
MODDAN
Aug 29 2009, 03:51 PM
Whether or not they are licensed is a minor concern.
If they are, and the price will be a bit higher, will be offset by the presence of trademarks on the gun.
If the guns are not licensed this means that the guns will be cheaper, and probably only carry the "Safe/Semi/Auto" engravings on the lower receiver. This can however be mended to a rather low cost by visiting a local engraver and supplying your own desired artwork.
Stealthbomber
Aug 29 2009, 04:12 PM
QUOTE (MODDAN @ Aug 29 2009, 04:51 PM)

Whether or not they are licensed is a minor concern.
If they are, and the price will be a bit higher, will be offset by the presence of trademarks on the gun.
If the guns are not licensed this means that the guns will be cheaper, and probably only carry the "Safe/Semi/Auto" engravings on the lower receiver. This can however be mended to a rather low cost by visiting a local engraver and supplying your own desired artwork.
I was really more concerned about the rights of the original manufacturers TBH.
WE makes a fuss about people ripping off their design and I find it kinda ironic that they then make copies of guns which could probably be protected in much the same way Magpul weapons are.
This doesn't apply to the M4 since the design has been legally defined as an "open source".
MI4
Aug 29 2009, 05:23 PM
the scar looks wicked.. but im more interested in the m14 cant freaken wait
apmaman
Aug 29 2009, 05:36 PM
QUOTE (MODDAN @ Aug 29 2009, 03:24 PM)

Amongst other things,
these girls, who should not be allowed to handle weapons... EVER.
and heres me thinking the Scar was a fairly user friendly weapon to work! Clearly not
terrorist killer
Aug 29 2009, 06:10 PM
do want that M14, unless they bring out an AUG or Tavor.
DamnLion
Aug 29 2009, 06:58 PM
I think i see the SCAR H in there
CKinnerley
Aug 29 2009, 08:17 PM
New and original as it is, and certainly worthy of applause, I can't help but feel that personally I'd find a 7.62x51mm rifle replicated in airsoft GBBr form a bit of a let down.
luvs2shoot
Aug 29 2009, 08:20 PM
QUOTE (CKinnerley @ Aug 29 2009, 01:17 PM)

New and original as it is, and certainly worthy of applause, I can't help but feel that personally I'd find a 7.62x51mm rifle replicated in airsoft GBBr form a bit of a let down.
+1
I don't see why the 416 can't have trades if WE can put engraved trades on their M14.
leejinwen
Aug 29 2009, 08:34 PM
why a let down?
Seraphim989
Aug 29 2009, 08:36 PM
QUOTE (CKinnerley @ Aug 29 2009, 03:17 PM)

New and original as it is, and certainly worthy of applause, I can't help but feel that personally I'd find a 7.62x51mm rifle replicated in airsoft GBBr form a bit of a let down.
Why?
Revenge Seeker
Aug 29 2009, 08:41 PM
The SCAR in those pics don't have the same cheek rest... are Scar-H's supposed to have those old type of cheek pieces?
I think the 416 is the least exciting of the bunch.
CKinnerley
Aug 29 2009, 08:45 PM
Well I'd have thought it would be obvious to be honest, but to me (emphasis that this is just my opinion, nothing more), a weapon that's meant to fire 7.62 NATO with felt recoil that's (arguably) got the felt recoil of something like a .22 would be a bit odd. In 5.56mm weapons like the M4, the WE/WA GBBr systems do at least feel slightly realistic, since 5.56 barely has any kick to it anyway, but there won't be any illusion of that in an M14, especially since it will likely weigh an awful lot so there will be even less of an effect from the system than normal. They may have a different system in mind for this, obviously I don't know, but I doubt it.
Stealthbomber
Aug 29 2009, 08:49 PM
QUOTE (luvs2shoot @ Aug 29 2009, 08:20 PM)

+1
I don't see why the 416 can't have trades if WE can put engraved trades on their M14.
Probably (and I'm just guessing) because the M14 is old enough to be out of any copyright?
DamnLion
Aug 29 2009, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (CKinnerley @ Aug 29 2009, 04:17 PM)

New and original as it is, and certainly worthy of applause, I can't help but feel that personally I'd find a 7.62x51mm rifle replicated in airsoft GBBr form a bit of a let down.
If thats a letdown, I'd like to hear what you think an AEG is then
A Tobias
Aug 29 2009, 09:17 PM
is WE still making the AK or was that project scrapped?
Cephas
Aug 29 2009, 09:20 PM
^Ditto at the letdown comment. If that's the case everything in airsoft is a let down because they don't faithfully replicate the function of it's real counterpart.
All I have to say is GBB MK 14 Mod 0 EBR, enough said.
leejinwen
Aug 29 2009, 09:41 PM
yea, this is airsoft. We are all shooting 6mm bb's no matter what caliber the real firearms are. I'm just glad a gbb m14 is coming out.
Unit 318
Aug 29 2009, 09:53 PM
QUOTE (Stealthbomber @ Aug 29 2009, 04:49 PM)

Probably (and I'm just guessing) because the M14 is old enough to be out of any copyright?
Companies renew copyrights when they expire.
Robinio
Aug 29 2009, 10:03 PM
If you look closly, the SCAR in the background has a longer bolt cover(spell)?
Looks not for 5.56, more like 7.62.
Hope they don't do new mags for the pdw, even if it is a different ammo why buy them, just hope they compatible with STANAG Mags (m16,m4,scar)
DamnLion
Aug 29 2009, 10:08 PM
QUOTE (Robinio @ Aug 29 2009, 06:03 PM)

If you look closly, the SCAR in the background has a longer bolt cover(spell)?
Looks not for 5.56, more like 7.62.
Hope they don't do new mags for the pdw, even if it is a different ammo why buy them, just hope they compatible with STANAG Mags (m16,m4,scar)
The PDW's mags are going to be different. look in the WE PDW Thread.
The SCAR in the picture looks like a SCAR H because it is, in fact, the SCAR H.
The Thief Lord
Aug 29 2009, 10:11 PM
QUOTE (Robinio @ Aug 29 2009, 03:03 PM)

If you look closly, the SCAR in the background has a longer bolt cover(spell)?
Looks not for 5.56, more like 7.62.
Hope they don't do new mags for the pdw, even if it is a different ammo why buy them, just hope they compatible with STANAG Mags (m16,m4,scar)
WE is releasing a PDW-style mag for the PDW, but a regular STANAG will work, and the PDW mag will be compatible with any STANAG model, whether it be current or a future release.
In short - all mags at this point (minus the M14) are compatible.
Bane
Aug 29 2009, 10:25 PM
Any idea if they are making the SCAR-H mags and the M14 mags inter-compatible (Like the STAR series of SCAR/M14)
I just hope they have worked all the kinks out of the WE system by now.
Revenge Seeker
Aug 29 2009, 10:30 PM
QUOTE (CKinnerley @ Aug 29 2009, 10:45 AM)

Well I'd have thought it would be obvious to be honest, but to me (emphasis that this is just my opinion, nothing more), a weapon that's meant to fire 7.62 NATO with felt recoil that's (arguably) got the felt recoil of something like a .22 would be a bit odd. In 5.56mm weapons like the M4, the WE/WA GBBr systems do at least feel slightly realistic, since 5.56 barely has any kick to it anyway, but there won't be any illusion of that in an M14, especially since it will likely weigh an awful lot so there will be even less of an effect from the system than normal. They may have a different system in mind for this, obviously I don't know, but I doubt it.
If airsoft reaches the point where shooting the airsoft version of the gun feels just like shooting the real version of that gun, I think it would become an immensely popular past-time. I am anxiously awaiting that day but am still satisfied with what I got now..
Jin15
Aug 29 2009, 10:38 PM
Meh... good to see WE is keeping at the GBB rifle options, but I'm still waiting for a MP5 or AK with an anti-dryfire mechanism. A full size UZI might be nice too.

Couldn't care less about the KAC PDW, SCAR, 416, or M14 though.
Mirska
Aug 30 2009, 12:10 AM
Wrong barrel length to be a H model. If it is a SCAR H then not in RS specs.
Cliffor
Aug 30 2009, 01:03 AM
Awesome, can't wait for the m14. Even if it obviously won't have much kick, it'll still be tons cooler than the sowing machine feedback I'd get on an aeg. I just hope it's compatible with aeg outer barrels, so I can make a socom
ERTrifleman
Aug 30 2009, 02:20 AM
I have yet to treck into the GBBR world and I have always said I won't do it until there is a GBB m14...My prayers, as well as many other peoples' prayers, have been answered!
-Clover-
Aug 30 2009, 04:18 AM
I second the want for an MP5 or a full sized uzi. WE has confirmed the MP5, but I guess they're too busy with that damn SCAR....
Revenge Seeker
Aug 30 2009, 06:03 AM
Full-sized Uzi. Wow now there's a thought. Has that been made before?
DFM56
Aug 30 2009, 06:05 AM
QUOTE (Stealthbomber @ Aug 29 2009, 04:49 PM)

Probably (and I'm just guessing) because the M14 is old enough to be out of any copyright?
Probably because H&K won't tear their small intenstines out for making accurate trademarks on an m14, but it might be a differant story for the 416.
I mean, they haven't let Umarex off of the leash in what? three days? they must be itching for a good fight after that long.
Still waiting for a g3 over here

although I might pick up the pdw if the rumored cqb place in my area becomes a reality.
elchinator
Aug 30 2009, 09:02 AM
QUOTE (Mirska @ Aug 30 2009, 01:10 AM)

Wrong barrel length to be a H model. If it is a SCAR H then not in RS specs.

Still the upper looks longer and the cheek piece is different... We are trying to confirm the SCAR-H, but the guys from WETTI seem to be pretty busy with the show now.
VogonFord
Aug 30 2009, 09:41 AM
Just as a so-you-know, the M14 can have full trades because the entity that created it - Springfield Armory - no longer exists. The current "Springfield Armory, Inc", while manufacturing (for the most part) the same weapons, is of no relation to the original, which was closed down in 1968. It helps to go for the trades when there's nobody who'll fight it
baggard
Aug 30 2009, 10:22 AM
QUOTE (apmaman @ Aug 29 2009, 03:18 PM)

if you scroll down on that link posted in the OP you can get linked to a youtube account that has some videos of what appear to be the WE products and other things too.
yeh, those are my vids. do you want me to upload all of my pics? i didnt know where to put them in ggi
Revenge Seeker
Aug 30 2009, 11:07 AM
I want to see pics of the FDE PDW. Gosh anything FDE really looks nice...
CKinnerley
Aug 30 2009, 02:01 PM
QUOTE (DamnLion @ Aug 29 2009, 08:57 PM)

If thats a letdown, I'd like to hear what you think an AEG is then

QUOTE (Cephas @ Aug 29 2009, 09:20 PM)

^Ditto at the letdown comment. If that's the case everything in airsoft is a let down because they don't faithfully replicate the function of it's real counterpart.
I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone, simply voicing it. Personally I do find AEGs to be exactly as I've said, which I why I've recently bought a WA based GBBr as well a TM EBB M4, they're still not quite there but they're not too far from the feel of a 5.56 IMO. All I'm saying is I'd hope WE will have done something to this M14 to give it a bit more kick than normal, it's unlikely but it'd make the product more appealing I'd imagine.
RedSpartan
Aug 30 2009, 02:08 PM
QUOTE (CKinnerley @ Aug 30 2009, 10:01 AM)

I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone, simply voicing it. Personally I do find AEGs to be exactly as I've said, which I why I've recently bought a WA based GBBr as well a TM EBB M4, they're still not quite there but they're not too far from the feel of a 5.56 IMO. All I'm saying is I'd hope WE will have done something to this M14 to give it a bit more kick than normal, it's unlikely but it'd make the product more appealing I'd imagine.
So would a Mini-14 make you feel better?

The M14 has a huge and heavy bolt, I'm hoping that might help. The brass tube also looks way bigger. I doubt WETTI would intentionally give it more recoil than it would get from an adapted system, but one can hope.
I'm pumped about all the new guns coming out. I think I'll go with the AK or the 416. If I were REALLY picky, I'd ask for a Tantal, but I'm happy with what WETTI is throwing out now. I'm hoping I can scrape enough money together to buy a SCAR-L before either come out!
bart_dude
Aug 30 2009, 03:08 PM
man finally a gbbr m14, i really hope they make the body REALLY light, no buffer, weaker recoil spring and a heavy bolt for a jaw gaping awe inspiring mind blowing jizz in the pants recoil experience, i want it so its like as if a train just slammed into my shoulder

oh i hope we can use aeg ris, i had my eye on this laylax nitro rail for the m14 but never really wanted a sowing machine sniper

lets hope the m14 will cost less than m4!!!
vbtb110
Aug 30 2009, 03:22 PM
Guys just think about how completely epic the Marui AEG M14 bolt was....that + gas + full auto = completely not a letdown
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