China: AGM and Cyma News

...bad news. Apparently, both AGM and Cymas owners had been arrested and factories dismantled. They are being prosecuted for illegal guns manufacture in accordance to PRC's laws. Thats it folks. That is why no new products from China lately. News confirmed, as we received almost verbatim message from three different and highly reputable sources

from airsoftnews.eu (sorry no link as i had to use proxy to go there as its blocked in china)

if that is so, how is that possible that i talked with Cyma boss just yesterday and he was in home and ok...and certainly not arrested of any kind. And AGM boss is arrested that is true but they already are planning ahead just waiting that all clears ahead. they have so highly reputable sources that they even forgot to mention one...unnamed sources of any kind so that is highly reputable these days and why no new products from China is BECAUSE the damn holiday festivities (60th Anniversary of China) WHY all factories had to close not because couple of them got busted or raided...tell the real reasons at least if that is news or something.

WHOAAA I guess this ends the clone era for now.

And why you no post this in existing thread?

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...amp;hl=arrested

my bad, sorry. i didnt see someone posted this on that thread already.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...4318&st=280

Honestly, I could cry.

I'm gonna leave this here in the news section because, although we've heard the same story 3 times already today, the fact that Frontiers can refute it IS actually worthy news.

In other news, I hear it's a guy at Marui who's putting all these rumours around.

Thanks Stealth, i believe i'm the original source for what happened in here at Internet about AGMs Boss got arrested and so, and i DEFINITELY have not talked with Airsoftnews of anykind, i only operate in Arnie's pretty much (sometimes with our french brothers at www.acm-forum.fr) the same *suitcase* happened last year when was the olympic's here, people got raided and arrested and what happened? everything goes normal after why wouldnt it? everybody is making money on the process so surely goverment officials don't mind.

airsoft-news is a joke. They'll basically post anything they get sent.

I sense an awesome April Fool's joke for next year coming on...

Ben.

Airsoft banned worldwide.

That should light some fires under people's arses

The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen. Begun, this Clone War has.

*runs*

*fruitcage* awesome that fits perfectly

Question is where is the CYMA M1A1, I can't find that anywhere anymore!

One of the admins in the other thread said CYMA's Thompson molds were destroyed.

I hope Cyma will produce for us the Tavor 21!

B

Found this news
http://redwolfairsoft.wordpress.com/2009/1...chinese-clones/

Hey Frontiers I found this through another forum. Its off Redwolfs blog page http://redwolfairsoft.wordpress.com/2009/1...chinese-clones/

Any comments... I'd like to hear your take as you are the one in the know. edit: Guess me and Praying Mantis found the same thing at the same time.

lol, well that was fail... My friend now thinks his AGM mp40 is priceless

That's a good amount of guns, but not nearly as much as China produces on a monthly basis. There's too much money to be made, and too much demand for them to stop. What the Chinese government is doing is making an example of a select few to make it look like they're doing something about. They may even go to extremes as horrible and incredulous as execution. All that will happen is that the factories will move, the owners/managers of the company may take a lower profile, other people/factories hungry for a slice of the pie may jump in, the bribes will increase dramatically, the increase in costs may get passed onto us the consumers.

People buying into the paranoia of the situation are making matters worse by further perpetuating that paranoia and feeding the vicious cycle.

Anyway, I will go with Frontier's news with all these.

And Sawasdee to Praying Mantis too!

B

to be honest i tend to take what Frontiers says with a pinch of salt... most of the time I see a lot of speculation going on but rarely any actual evidence that what he has said has actually happened. I shall keep an eye on this.

I had actually heard a lot of this stuff about the arrests and possible death sentance from a few unrelated sources prior to Frontiers mentioning it here. So what Frontiers has been saying on this matter seems true based on what I've heard.

mate ;P your idea is that i should go on with a hidden camera around here and film "illegal" activities the proof you wanted i mean , no thanks. I report it as i hear and see i'm sure it's not always 100% accurate but most i think has been pretty close atleast.

*suitcase*, looks like the AGM MG42 is never gonna see the light of day

Or we'll just have to wait, like we have been since the beginning of the year when it was first mentioned?

Just saying; but you guys DO know that the Shenzhen article is from September right?

Yes, I know that

Some pics that were posted on Thai airsoft website








EDIT:same to you, Boxster

Now what is that mini moscart revolver launcher looking thing on the 3rd last table......... I fancy one of them!

In terms of actual numbers of weapons.. thats not that many is it?
I know people with collections of guns akin to the 5th last picture.

You would think that the places they apparently shut down would have larger stocks of all of these weapons.

I think this is a drop in the ocean, and nothing will change, it will go back to normal in due course

What a waste of plastic/oil!

Those for the most part look like really cheap springers though so they'd end up looking like they are in the first picture after 5 minutes of use anyway, infact I'm certain I had one of the spring pistols in the first pic about 10 years ago and it did break within the first shot


Doesn't look like a mini moscart launcher to me Even so, those are made in Japan and not China

Its definately not 40mm, and its definately some sort of tube breach... either way, looks great.. I want one

It's like a photograph of a genocide. It'll be burned into my brain for life.

Holy... I knew that this was going on but thats *Fruitcaked* up!
Even if THEY are springers, they could have been put to better use..

Publicity tis all.

Notice that they seem to be shooting glass BBs in order to get the guns to do more damage?

would be smarter if they just regulated production. As in limit FPS like in japan, where its pretty much impossible to shoot out a car window.

Please oh please let it be photoshop....

This is like a second holocaust for me. Oh, the inhumanity

Ugh.... These are not airsoft, but airguns and real guns (like the .22 LR MCM/Margolin or the Makarov).

Oh, the horror I say!!! That is quite a shitload of guns being slaughtered.

They could have offer them for sale cheaply to foreign airsofters to generate cash to help their poor.

Tsk tsk tsk!

B

Stealth,

Now you and I both know those are Biovals....I still have a bag of them right here...

And regardless of reports to the contrary, they are glass. Pretty sure the pics of the broken car window and glass bb's are unrelated to what someone just appropriately called 'Airsoft Genocide', the pics of crushed guns and whatnot-


And yeah, was going to post this here last night, decided that I didn't care enough to ruffle the feathers of Airsoftdom about it, came back today and the madness continues so....

I called this what, over a year ago? Can't fathom how anyone paying the slightest bit of attention still has any illusions about the state of the 'industry' in China, honestly- so while many will no doubt deride me for 'The sky is falling' paranoia, I will simply return an equally apt; 'Make sure to keep you mouth closed while your head is buried in the sand so as not to get it in your teeth there Mr. Ostrich'

All good things come to an end kiddies, and so do 'toys' that can can be made to take lives, be brandished by idiots to commit police-assisted suicide, or what I really feel is the bottom line here, bring disgrace to the state-

But we still have our memories of the 'good old days' don't we? and really, I myself at the height of my collection had 20+ Rifles/Autos and as many pistols- I'm fortunate but I know well that many many people on this very board had(have) well in excess of my humble little collection- How many does one need? really? its gluttony at some sad level isn't it? be honest. There are people in the country of question that aren't even eating tonight while we cry and moan about our 'toys'.

Take care of what you own and take stock in the fact that like so many economic 'bubbles' this one collapsed under it's own weight-




Slainte!

The same thing happened to A&K and CYMA around the time of the olympics, and yet they are both still around. Bad news for CYMA though, their AKs are pretty good and their M14 SOCOM just reintered the market.

I could care less about starving people and gluttony .... All I care about is myself, and what is out of sight really doesn't matter to me "or most other people", so me and said others are going to continue to complain about what else we want in life, weather it be clone guns or new phones, and we don't need a reason other than that we can.

"Sorry I'm going to catch *suitcase* for this i know, don't bother replying as I wont even bother to re-enter this topic"

On topic, dose anyone have any news about what happened to the two people said to be arrested ?

LOLz @ "I'm not coming back here" then asks a question

Frankly, it's a pretty cool pic. I prefer the steamroller way over the iron smelter.

Someone, photoshop Len Kagami into that roadroller, STAT!

Dude the picture of the steamroller crushing pistols is so stupid, most of those beretta's i seen in stores selling them for 10 bucks, the second picture, the guns look like lee enfields, china dont make lee enfields. [b]FAKE[/b]

Wow, china has really stupid looking steam rollers.

Why do people (including myself) refer to them as 'steam rollers' ? They haven't been steam powered since before WW2, surely they are all diesel?

ok, ok! Diesel Roller then. Sheesh.

I find that diesel roller quite cute, actually.

Edit:- Tanks are still called tanks, even though they do not hold water. When they where being made people thought they where to hold water, hence, tank. So steam roller probably attaches its self to this way of thinking, as in has no literall meaning (As in describing what it is powered by or what it does), its just a name.

Any updates?