http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=1992

edit: I believe it is to arrive Oct. 30

Wow, PyramidAir was the last place I'd expect to post one of these first...

Pyramid is more expensive than most retailers, no?

Sure as heck doesn't look like a VFC with those gigantic HK trades on the side... more like some Umarex creation.

You sure that's VFC? With a ~30rnd mag it could be the WE. The price is right on the money for a WE too.

Probably is the Umarex or CA Version the VFC comes with a proper HK Style Stock not a Crane, it also has the old style grip instead of the newer L119 Style One. They haven't got em yet it's a pre order so they've used any old 416 picture, nice one guys!

Can someone, please, indicate the price and date of availability for those of us who are on a stupid corporate network (UGH!) that blocks these kinds of sites?

Not sure just how accurate the information is considering that the image is of an AEG (as pointed out by previous posters), however:

Pyramid Air has been getting a lot of interesting guns lately, outside of their usual Umarex and Cybergun stock. Case in point, what appear to be Maruzen GBB's:

-PPK: http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=1451
-P99: http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=1456

So I'm led to believe that they might have a new supplier or something. I've emailed them about it and will post any info I get.

Unfortunately it's absolutely possible that this is the VFC Version. VFC already had a cooperation with Umarex to produce 416 AEG with those giant, unrealistic trademarks. They are available in Germany.

For reference: http://www.kotte-zeller.de/websale7/Heckle...75d5eb29a5/md5}

Umarex seems to force all manufacturers to apply unrealistic "original" trademarks if they want a licence.





Let's hope so, but as I know the strange policy of Umarex I'm not that optimistic. VFC already had a perfect looking 416 AEG, but Umarex forced them to change the gun (respectively the markings) to get the offical licence.

That is not a GBB. The photo shows an AEG. look at the photo with the dust cover and hop up wheel. I believe this is like a WA systme so I don't think that is possible.

Umarex = CA for the 416, NOT VFC.

35 rounds only?
It would have been nice if they had included some kind of NPAS system to adjust FPS.

maybe BUT . DING http://www.kotte-zeller.de/$WS/kotte-...ormal/42477.jpg

UCK! Cranestock, I hate those!

Will wait for the WE one...

MOHAHAHAHHA

My 666th post

Those trademarks don't look right

That Definitely not the VFC, the Only they showed at the show a month or so ago, have the real Hk416/417 stock, and pistol grip

^As I said in post #6.

Whoops, sorry....... don't know how i missed that.

That website have no mention of Umarex at all. Where did you hear Umarex license HK to VFC?

Putting a Porsche logo on your Lada, doesn't make it a Porsche now does it?
no offence meant for those who drive a Lada.

Could be me, but I deon't find a reference to this being a gas gun. It just says blowback. Could be the 416 CA built for Umarex

Look through the feature list I quoted earlier (post #8)

So will this be a WA or a WE-Tech system? It definitely looks interesting, I'd love to have a gas HK416!

The VFC GBBrs use a modified WA system.

What a crying shame.

So, heard back from Pyramid Air... I asked if they would have the guns in stock, ready to ship out on the 30th, got this back: "The date is estimated. Items shipped from overseas can be unpredictable as they are freighted and then can spend upto 2-3 weeks in customs."

Can't say I'm surprised, but at least they're being honest :/

Because Umarex owns all the HK licenses for airsoft.

Thats only half the truth.
First Umarex gave a licence to CA to copy the VFC 416 design. But as predicted by a lot of people the CA 416 became a 500 Euro shelf warmer and only a fistful of CA 416s have been sold (most of the guns are still in stock at several retailers in Germany). After this flop, Umarex heard to some of the complaints of the consumers and decided to order a second batch of "licenced" 416s from VFC. Unfortunately they still insist on appling those ugly Supersize Hk-Trades.

So actually there are two "oficially licenced" HK416s from Umarex: one from CA, one from VFC.





Umarex = HK Exclusive Worldwide Licence.

Every licenced HK-gun is licenced by Umarex.

The more important question is WHY in the world would you even CONSIDER supporting a c**k operation like Pyramid?!?!?!?!?!?!

They happen to have fast shipping times and good CS, not to mention the warranty the guns carry. What else could you ask for?

Maybe I'm blind today but I did a text search and no where in that link does it mention VFC, Vega, or Force. I see it in the lead in text now.

Still it seems off key, most of these guys just cut and paste from the manufacturers site, the description does not seem in sync.

I was skeptical myself, as it DOESN'T mention anything about VFC on the product page at all.

HOWEVER: http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/show.pl?...Koch&Type=3 (Second one from the top, read the description)

Intresting. I really don't like the trademarks either. But I could manage most likely. I'll wait for a bigger description before buying one though.

Has anybody orderd one?

Well, doubt it, seeing as no one knows what the hell it is.

WE price range was promised $250-$260. $400 is FARR off.

Well so far we know this is the only website that has it, this is the first time anyone has mentioned that VFC took over for CA on Umarex lic due to price issues (even though the price is unchanged, also info was from a poster with a small number of postings), the website info states info for both AEG and Gas actions, VFC has no listing of this on their website and stopped making 416's about 2 years ago, and the appearance of the gun is that of a CA not VFC (especially since the model JUST debuted as looking totally different)....

I'm gonna say that it's yet another retailer either trying to make a buck off people excited over the release or that they don't know the product they sell well along with a misinformed poster that stated VFC paid for Umarex licensing.

WE SCAR price or...

"We will start shipping on 11-06-2009 "

They've updated the page. Figures...

What I wanna know is: is that REALLY the VFC 416 GBB that is pictured? Take a look here: http://airsoftguns.info/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20813
thats a VFC 416 pictured with the military issued stock and grip.. so I'm confused..

Just hope the release the WE HK416 soon!

*Facepalms* That's obviously just a place-holder pic until they get it in stock...

This releases tomorrow.