http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=produ...product_id=4020
http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=produ...product_id=4019
http://www.rsov.com/index.php?target=produ...product_id=3060
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looks like Double Eagle packing but i try to confirm asap who made these.

First one looks quite nice, shame their plastic. Wish they'd take the Mossberg 500 and slap on some modern tactical furniture.

Attention ACM companies:

Make a Tanaka Shotgun clone that's all metal and WORKS!

please and thank you

-Shin

Absofruitcaginglutely.

It wouldn't be very hard either, just make the more highly stressed internals out of aluminum or steel instead of pot metal and plastic like Tanaka did and that's all it would take.
I'd be almost as happy with a good clone Maruzen M870 as well, or any decent Remington 870 replica with tri-shot springer internals stuffed in it.

But enough of the super cheapo single shot springers already when there are far more interesting airsoft shotguns that can be cloned or designed and would sell a heck of a lot better too.

damn i was really hoping these were going to be tri-shot or gas. would have been a must have for my hick sheriff loadout.

single shot and insane fps. Great idea

yea that sucks, UK market wont get them until someone makes a downgrade kit (or you cut the spring).

On the other hand it could be a decent sniper rifle platform with a difference (seen it dont before)

If it has a strong spring in it and it's plastic the effort needed to cock it is probably gonna smash em in no time.

Dont think of it as a shotgun, think of it as a sniper in a shotgun suit.

I might be getting one of them, simply because the british army is taking a large order from benelli for some M4 S90s. .

Fail. Simple as that.

Anyway, now that I have you here: do you think there's enough interest to try to pitch a shorty gas, multiple Bbs per shot, shotgun to Both Elephant (makers of the M500 clones). Like using the already cloned Mossberg 500 platform to make different short shotties and make it easier for people to create their own shorties?
If they were to build a short version, lots of different customs would be possible:

Short shotgun would be cool.

What I really want to see is Surefire rail forend replica for shotguns. Come on King Arms. I wouldn't think it would be that hard anyways.

Shorty would be ace, specially the top one.

need to find where to buy these and get some more info and then we can pitch them, before Christmas possibly i will make another tournee to there and try to pitch our models what we previosly talked also.

Those cant be bought as they are real steel (except for the Mossberg with the MP5K grip, wich is from a videogame).

I think the most popular version would be a Both Elephant M500 platform, if they can be bothered to sort out the leakage problems:

- full metal
- 1-5 BBs per shot
- gas
- no heavy pumping

The only things BE would have to redesign and stick on their current model would be:

- shorter barrel, ammo tube and feeding tubes
- new pump forearm (one that you can switch between a railed version and a pistol-grip would be nice and get them more sales)
- new feeding tube locking system

The integral rail/grip/AR stock adaptor they can clone:
http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/produc...ial&rs=m500

Now, if they were really smart, they would offer the grips, stocks, short/medium/long barrels seperately, thus allowing players to switch their base shotgun betwee different configurations: full size, tactical shorty, cut down with pistol grip, etc.

I agree, single BB and high FPSs... not agood idea at all, I remember there are some ACM wood and metal shotguns and are like these ones... pretty cool, but double eagle models are still sold like hot cookies, ACM bosses, do you wonder why?

I will give them the magic formula:

spring three shot shotguns made of metal and wood, fed by shell-like magazines, but if the can make them to accept some accesories like grips, stocks so the owner can customize them, they will fly off the shelves.

Too bad they wont listen to the customer

I like that idea, Needs its own thread.

If they just redesign the magazine (keep it in the shell tube, but make it less fiddly) then transplant the whole mech into other guns like M870s ithicas and benellis.

I'd also like to see that mech made GBB. same feeding system and everything else, just semi auto rather than pump action. then make the Benelli m1014, spas12 and the like.

What about the idea of AEG shotguns? If standard gearbox can fit into shotgun (for example - v3 into SPAS 12) and develop delayer for sector (?) gear to feed 3 or more BBs into HopUp chamber. If it work well, it might be epic win.

Aww, I want a Tanaka 870 replica...

the aimpoint "replica" makes baby jesus cry

Just make a decent metal M1014 that uses shells and has a hop and Ill be happy.

Do some maths on muzzle velocity. I'll save you the effort and tell you that you'd need a V3 that puts out 500FPS with a single BB to make three BBs go 300FPS. How many gearboxes do you know that would last 500fps for a long period of time, and even then only 3 BBs going only 300FPS.

Electrisity just dosent cut it.

Well, gearboxes from acm replicas (AUG A3 JG, CM.48 for example) easily can handle 450fps on full auto, so, around 480fps on semi could be possible. Shotguns were designated for close range, so 300 or below fps fits here.

And don't forget, we are talking about acm, not "immortal" TM

A gearbox usually won't come close to fitting inside a shotgun, the body is too slim. It's been talked to death but the idea isn't feasible, also full auto shotgun? No thanks.

And how long do you think those gearboxes last? Just because a gearbox can handle 450 FPS, doesnt' mean it will keep on working after 1000s of shots.

The last one looks exactly like the DE one I bought from a Chinese wholesaler earlier in the year. Packaging seems to have changed and it comes with more shells now. *badgeress* to cock straoght out of the box, no idea what the fps is but fairly certain too hot for the UK. Still good fun for less than £50 though.

chas and ed have some damn good idears here. is there some way we can make the manufactures aware, im guessing there are some insiders here from all the leaks we get about up and comming stuff. the SPAS is the best idear ive heard all year (not sure if i'd want pump or auto though, figure both would'nt be possile???"

Why wouldn't it be possible?

In my head are two shotgun designs that are allmost identical, one for pump action one for semi auto. Switching between the two is quite simple.

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... in my mind at least.

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... man i need to buy a CAD program to clear my skull out.

Still waiting for the Kart Saiga =( No word on that still, Frontiers ?

When I think about it, a gas semi/pump shotgun would probably be pretty easy. In semi mode it would work with a simple blowback action. Changing it to pump action would cut off the gas route to the blowback assembly and increase shot power for longer range shots. This would make the shotgun almost a perfect weapon. Semi-auto for close range(decreased power and faster follow-up shots) and pump action for longer range (more power but slower shots) This would be perfect in a Saiga/AA-12 gas-in-mag system. Although, pump action would more likely mean straight pull, but that's no big deal.

I think is fair to say that I have a fair bit of experience with shotguns(TM SPAS 12, maruzen m870, CL/Maruzen m1100, acm m500) I have taken apart all completely except the spas 12. I have a good amount of experience with the internals of gas shotguns and how they work.

If anyone has any inside contacts with any of the affordable priced gun manufacturers(or any manufacturer for that matter) I would love to share my ideas if it could mean the development of a new shotgun.

Maybe someone should make a thread for this, please post a link in here if you do!

there was a 2month + hiccup for the development due to the factory closings, have not heard of it yet but hope end of this year.

Seems like pitching new shotgun ideas to manufacturers is interesting to more people then I expected. Ill post a thread when I figure out the best way to disuss this.

500 fps aint no big deal, most ACM mechboxes can reach that reliably with mostly stock parts.



Haha, a measly 450 fps? Yeah, it should last for tens of thousands of rounds, or it's been setup wrong.


But yes, we need electric shotguns, and it's perfectly doable. If TM can put a mechbox in a friggin Glock, it can be done with a shotgun too.

just talked with Double Eagle, these are not their products. We have a new factory again i talked with DE and they are willing to develop a new Shotgun so guys, the one you want, make a pitch for it and i forward it to them.

OK, my pitch first, as it's *rickroll* simple and I'm wondering why DE didn't do it earlier: full length, tri-shot SPAS12 with a top-folding stock. Perfectly do-able, unless their M3 forms (espec. for the internals) got nicked in the anniversary havoc.

Where must we create the thread? suggestions mods?

Hope we can convince them to make a nice shotty as we made with Army's Kimber

If anybody creates it, please post the lynk

Decent imitation wood remington M870 using their shell system. Pleeeeeeeeeease!

I think we should keep the magic formula used on the benelly M3 but improving it, as It has proved to be the best selling shotgun to date, not to mention it has awesome reviews and performance

Spring powered, 3 shots, shell like magazines, 300FPS... but I would love to have one full metal and wood, resembling the good old Itaca or trench gun, and If it can be made compatible with maruzen(I think its the brand compatible with Real steel parts) the better.

Im sure this config would the shotti sell like hot cookies, opinions? critics?

LETS GET A NEW SHOTTY DONE!

Someone make a thread and post the link in here

Clone of the Maruzen M870 shell ejector or Tanaka M870. If the Tanaka was cloned though they'd have to make the bolt and 3 part firing pin assembly out of metal rather than plastic like Tanaka did for the thing to be reliable. In other words, make the internals full metal as well as the externals.

A spring powered tri-shot Remington 870 replica that could take real steel furniture would be nice as well, but I think all the current versions of the tri-shot system are too wide to fit in a realisticly sized 870 body.

Thread posted here: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...howtopic=176685

I started with my shorty M500 idea, so please post your comments on this proyect and post your own.

great, thanks chas