I'm probably most curious about how the Tracer Unit will work. Looking forward to more info.

A UV LED in the chamber?

Ben.

Well, I had heard about this product a while back and the UV LED in the chamber was alluded to. I'm just wondering how the LED will project light into the mostly metal HopUp Chamber? There is a small vertical slit down the side of the feed chute, but it's pretty thin ... seems like the tracer BB probably wouldn't get fully exposed to light if lit through there. Perhaps it'll be enough exposure?

OOh rotary hop in an AR, I hope this works, and i reckon you're right, led down the side of the feed tube. a bb only needs a split second of light to illuminate ?

awesome, pretty much a metal ICS hop , my plastic one was good until it snapped!

well in a TM new tracer, it requires a 4" long tube of LEDs in an array to flash a tracer BB into being illuminate on exit of the barrel. It would have to be an insanely bright LED to be able to do this when feeding through a slit in a hop unit, especially in full auto when the BB's not in there for long.

Hence my confusion how the Tracer will work. That said, I'm merely assuming the LED will be lit through there. We still haven't seen the right side of the HopUp unit yet.

Personally, I'd really be curious if the LED could be modified to illuminate the BBs *just* enough to work with NVGs. Or perhaps IR BBs ... now THAT would be awesome!

It might use a special long thin UV LED that slots into that gap and if it was powerful enough I guess it could be enough.
We've only got a picture of one side though, there could be an LED hole where the adjuster goes on your average hop-up. That would probably work well too.

I'm just hoping for it to be a reasonable price, I like the idea of the rotary hop in a non ics rifle. If does what it says on the tin, I'll be buying one.

Is it just to my eyes, or does the Madbull c-clip design not include the anti-rotation notches found with KA and Prommy hopups?

I thought the TM tracer unit used a flash bulb, and the flash bulb area is only about 1" long and the tube with white surrounding it (presumably for extra reflection of the light) is only another 1.5". Depending how the tracer unit is implemented and such, it would presumably be enough to be able to just see where you're BBs are going in a dark situation, and most like won't be as good as a good dedicated tracer unit. My P90 tracer mag makes BBs glow well enough that they can be seen at night, and it only works somewhat effectively on full auto, where the BB is going from being illuminated 2 or 3 rounds from the chamber to being fired. Granted, it's only one very bright 3mm UV LED, it still lights them up well enough.

What I wonder about with this Madbull unit is where the power is going to come from. Will it grab the tiny bit of power it needs from the main battery, (in which case, it might need to take into account the battery voltage being used), or is it going to have its own power supply, and if so, where is that going to be housed (as I don't know general space constraints inside M4/M16 variants)?

Also, why is it that IR tracer rounds always seem to come up with discussions of tracers? I would imagine it's possible, since they have other materials that glow under UV light in various color in the visible spectrum, I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to do the calculations to find a material that would emit a good enough IR to be seen only in NVG's. Also, I would imagine the market for IR tracer round swould be rather small, because how many people have good enough night vision set ups in airsoft that would be able to see the IR BBs flying?

Which is why the company who happens to make the IR bb's damn well better come out with a set of affordable goggles to see them. That'd be the only logical thing to do.

IR energy is whats used to charge/excite the pigments in a tracer BB, either from a flash bulb in a TM tracer or a IR led in a hop up.

Hopefully it works with things aside form MB barrels and sleeves. Proprietary ######.
KM

Er I thought it was UV (the other end of the spectrum)

K_K

Its hardly rocket science as to how the tracer unit will work.

The feed tube of that hop unit has a slit either side to allow light through. The unit will probably clamp onto the outside of the feed tube and illuminate the bb's in the tube, by means of some UV PCB mounted LED's or similar.

Weither or not it will be constantly on, or only come on when a bb is detected will be a case of 'watch this space'. Same to be said about the power source for the unit, weither it being a seperate battery (coin cell perhaps) or powered using an in-line connector hooked up to the AEG battery.

I said that.

Ben.

Looks like a metal copy of the new CA M4 hop-up unit, which is a reworked ICS unit with a smaller adjustment wheel so it can clear the protruding screw on the front of a standard V2 (The front of an ICS Ver2 is flat).

Still, looks like it's worth a shot.

HELL YES. IM BUYING THIS FOR SURE.
-Joe

I'm guessing that the Madbull Tracer Unit will be in a shape similar to Ajax's Shock Transfer System and will be installed in similar fashion also. I too am curious about the power source for such an unit.

Seems like the Tracer will be a pita, more wires inside the receiver and only that little slit to shine through?

I saw this on the news page and it immediately piqued my interest. I can't wait for a review on this or more info.

Hopefully it won't be proprietary as KingMob said as i'd like to use better hops and barrels in it.

in my opinion this would have to be top of my list of upgrades if i had to get a non ICS armalite

If this works => Awesome!

If this works as well as a really good hop up w/ nub + tracer unit=> EPICLY AWESOME

-Shin

It sure looks similar, and, overall, I like that new Classic Army unit for performance, but I have seen some issues with it with regards to inconsistencies in velocities going from one brand of bb to another (of the same weight). What I mean is losing 20feet/sec when going from Javelin to Bioval and such.

something to do with inconsistent BB diameter, maybe?

Guys, it's not that hard to imagine how the hop-up tracer will work. People in Oregon and Washington have been doing this for years. Using a UV LED, you get PLENTY of illumination on a glow in the dark BB, even in full auto. The Full size tracer units are partially longer than they have to be, and they use visible light to charge on some that I've seen, instead of the UV, which charges faster/better.

about half way down the page, it shows the tracer unit.. surprisingly small
http://www.madbullairsoft.com/English/inde...products_id=239

looks like you need to do your own soldering/wiring for the tracer LED light. i plan on getting one to try out.

*cough*

It looks like the tracer will only illuminate one side of the bb since it only is on the left side of the hop up from Mad Bull's diagram.
I just built one that uses 4 uv leds, a on either side of the feed tube. It lights up the bb's very nicely as the go through the feed tube.
Although just flashing the tracer bb's with the uv light makes them shine for at least a minute.
I am not sure how well Mad Bull unit will work with only lighting one side of the bb. The tracer bb's might look like they are blinking as they spin in flight

The tracer can only handle up to 15 rpm!! So lame!!! I guess in higher ROF set ups it'd be good for those intermittent tracer shots.

Interesting new product.

The slit cut looks to be longer than the emitting diode...

I am sure those who electrically inclined will be able to produce a their own homebrew versions with their own improvements.

Dont the new CA M4's have a rotary hop?

And perhaps it will be like the prowin v2 GB hop units with only one dial instead of two?

Looks great, not for the tracer unit which I dont use at all, but for the other two features too bad im fixated on getting a sopmod instead of keep upgrading my other M4

waiting for reviews though

Isn't a ROF of 15BB/Sec kinda average? And I wonder why they mention velocity? What would that have to do with the tracer unit?

Not sure, it doesn't really make sense does it?? Unless your BB's are being fed to the hop up unit at a rate of 130mps

Ah so new CA M4s have a rotary hop-up too? Their new M4s with blowback actually look pretty good.

This hop-up should be awesome for all those people with 'standard' ARs though .

Stu.

I am praying this is $30 or under for the standard unit. If not, I'll make due with my PITA armalite hop up unit.

What would be even cooler is if other companies such as JG, Dboys, AGM, etc. started incorporating hop up units such as these!

I really like this unit, definitely gonna pick one up. Don't care much about the tracer but thats a great idea too and it seems easy to install.

I'm one of the rare people who hasn't had a problem with AR hop units, however this can only be a good thing. Assuming it gets some good reviews when it's released, i'll be having one, even if it's just for the slightly easier adjustment.

Looks promising. Although, I have to say the tracer function is of little concern to me , and the "chamber lock" is completely useless to me.
I'd much prefer to keep clearing my gun by simply pulling the mag and firing twice on semi instead of having to turn my gun up-side-down and fire 5 times.

If the "chamber lock" is useless to you, then you don't have to install the oring which holds the extra BBs in the chamber.

It seem like it will be in the park for something like $34.95.

That's the kinda price I was hoping for! Maybe it's finally time to buy an Armalite?

I got a UV LED in my hop up installed by AWSairsoft. Works well.

It does only illuminate half the BB, so the overall brightness of the BB heading down range isn't as great as a full on 6 inch tracer unit. But it is pretty cool and is powered by the AEG's battery.

US retailer with it: http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=5986

$30 not bad at all, definitely gonna get one these.

Probably mentions that it wll only work up to 130 m/s as a reccommendation to cover themselves.

Tracer bb's are commonly .2g, and using .2 bb's in AEGs with a power output omore than 130 m/s usually yeilds inconsistant accuracy.

Will probably still illuminate them no problem though I'd have thought

Madbull make very fine .25 tracers.

I didnt know that, thanks

is this hop up unit compatible with dboys SCAR and CA SCAR hop up? , it´s similar

Anyone have one yet, Or am I gonna have to be the test monkey?