hey people, i've been informed by my team DS that out site outside of crewe will be open for a one-time experiment. a free event. this will be a milsim (but without ammo limits) and will run from the friday afternoon to the sunday afternoon.
the available space is around 70 acres on our primary site, and around 160 on a secondary site donated by a neighbouring farmer.

how is it free? mostly through the genarosity of the land owner unused feilds and woodland have been made available to us for a couple of years as a training site. but we feel we can make it alot more.

whats the catch? i won't beat around the bush. this will be an operation conducted in the bondue. if you don't like tents, propane cooked food and ###### in a hole in the ground, don't come. if however you DO like the idea od spending a couple of days living the frontier lifestyle of the infantryman, come along.

who do i need? tent, sleeping bag, changes of skivvies, FOOD, ammo, batteries, weapons, pyro. we can't sell anything on the site, the best we can do is give you free drinking water, tea and cofee facilities and a place to pitch your tent.

when? 7th, 8th and 9th april. starting at 1600 hours and ending at 1500-1600 hours

where? Bulkley, Moss Farm. the RV point (where you will meet up) would be morrisons carpark in crewe and escort would be given to site.

how many? spaces are limited to around 30. if you have the gear, come along! we can park up around 14 cars on site and its secure ( its overlooked by the farmouse and of course, farm dogs )

milsim, whazzat? you will play CONSTANTLY from ex on to ex off. if you want sleep, go back to your tent, zip it up, and get your head down for a while (its tried and tested that even some of the most obscene support weapons won't pass through tents due to the fact the fabric flexes under inpact) however, expect to be fragged and/or gassed in your sleep.
IF any member of the DS deems that you appear sleep deprived, it will be reccomended to you in very frank terms that you get some sleep. drowsy wandering and weapons don't mix well.
(i reccomend three hours sleep and a big mug of hot coffee)
There will be a primary and secondary operational objective for each team, these will be revealed on site as part of your briefing.
Each team will have available to them an advisory team of local special forces (part of the DS) who will not only act as guides and active combattants but will also be player marshalling. this allows games to run smoothly without the 'neon ghosts' that mar more realism-based events.

and that about it. a free event out of the box.

any questions, put a message on here or PM me (my hotmail adress receives 'em, lovely technology)

Ingo (Team OKAMI)

Hmm.....my team may be interested. There are about 6 of us, at present. What sorta mission do you have in mind? Also, what fps limits do you guys go for?

Cheers,
Torn
(42nd Commandos)

ah my bad. max aeg fps is set at 340/350. this is only negotiable for spring operated sniper rifles.

if and when you get in close, discretion and semi auto or pistols should be used.

the mission will be based around the procurement and safe extraction of a cannister of substance x (it glows in the dark!) and thats as much as i can let on.

Thats cool mate I will have a chat with the rest of my team and see who will be up for it.

Thanks

I rekon me and my mate staceh would be up for this, we need to practise some field craft for DT.

whats the bolt action limit?
we vary from going site to site, im guessing its 350 -500?

ill have a word with my mate tonight at airsoft and report bout midnight.

what about battery charging? is there facilities to charge them up overnight, or do we have to bring tons with us?

Going from memory (Ingo will be able to confirm/deny this) the maximum for bolt actions is liable to be around 400fps. But as Ingo said, this is negoitable only for springers. There will also liable to be a minimum engagement limit in force for high FPS weapons.

I think it's possible that battery charging will be available on site (we have done it before). I would advise taking sufficient batteries for a weekend of skirmishing.

Ray

Edit: amended fps limits to match Ingo.

if only Crewe was closer to Norfolk...............

Ingo and I are a 3 hour drive from crewe, it's become our "local" site.

you either bring tonnes or ask the ds nicely we have a pair car batteries and two regulated fast chargers available for use.

bolt action limit is 400 fps.

Can we bring flourescent monkeys as decoys? we really need to know as they are really hard to get hold of!

Mark

Team OKAMI

ok since its milsim many site hae different rules what will the rules be?

i know there is not a set ammo capacity

JAM

i'm very up for this, but i live in london...which is a million miles away from crewe lol i think if i do come, a few boxes of star real caps are in order!

no ammo limit. fps limits as stated above with the following amendment :

bolt action limit can be as high as 450fps provided that ammunition is no greater weight than .25 and of no foreign matereal. no teflon, no aluminium, no lead.

conduct rules: NO physical contact, no drinking, no abusive behaviour.
if you need to be reminded, don't turn up.

hit rules: any part of the body, one hit, you're a man down.

medic rules: every man is issued one white bandage. when hit once, you hit the deck and shout for assistance, any member of your team can come to you, take your bandage and tie it onto any of your limbs. you're back in the fight. if you get hit again, the team assigned medic will come to you and tie a red bandage on you. if you are hit again, you're dead. you will be out of the game, you return to your CP (base) and wait a few minutes. you then re-arm and re-deploy. (don't forget to give your red bandage back at some point, and don't loose your white bandage)
depending on numbers of players, there may be a 'bleedout' rule whereupon if you are not reached within ten minutes of being hit, you call out 'dead man walking' and proceed back to your cp. re-org re arm and return to battle.

and yes, if though by 'bring' you mean covering me in da-glo paint you'll have to catch me first boss

ingo
Team Okami

Sorry im a bit confused.

The chrono can read 450fps when chronoing with a .25?

i use .3 / .36

but i chrono with .2
the fps i can choose from are:
350ish
370ish
453 ish
550 ish

those are with a .2 though. so if i were to use the 550ish spring with a .25 bb lets say it took it down to 450 (i doubt) that would be acceptable?

sorry if ive just misread what you wrote.

we also know bout min eng distance we have them at our local site regarding sniping and thus have pistols / aegs for backup.

Weasel, you could come. its for the whole weekend, go down on the friday midday, would be a good laugh. u can watch my tent while i sleep

all it means is the weapon has to make 450 average over the chrony putting out .25 rounds, this is to cover our backs as the DS incase someone chronys with something retarded like .4 and decides to 'accidentally' pitch in a mag of .25s in the same weapon.

i hope that makes more sense.

Ingo

Team Okami

Thanks.

Ill chrono my sniper, with .25 with a couple of the springs and see what there pumping at.

Ill have a word with my friend and see if we can get their for the weekend.

Dale

edit:
btw is the AEG limits set with .2 or .25?
thanks

with the AEGs its the operators choice between .2 and .25, whichever works best.

looking forward to seeing you there. spent a half hour on irc trying to convince screaming to come. if its worth a three hour drive for gulf romeo to drive down from middlesbrough, i don't think you will be dissapointed.

Talked to my team last night, and 5 of them have said they wanna go. Haven't been able to talk to the last person yet.

• Me
• Figure.09
• Project_Jam
• Gunyo_89
• Farry_9262

Cheers. Just gotta work out how to get to Crewe from Gloucester now...

i would like to go, i just need to try get a lift from somewhere.

and whats gulf romeo ?

I'm on the same team as Ingo, and have NO idea.

Ray

450 FPS with a .25 is going to *fruitcage* hurt like buggery, same as chronoing with .25s in aegs, .2s at 350 won't hurt as much as .25s at 350, i think you may need to look into that

that was my main concern.

My AEG has a m100 upgrade and is firing at 345 with .2
my sniper can varie going up to 550ish with a .2 so if i chrono'd it with a .25 it be alot less.
:S

I rekon your right, I'd be up for that.

Lifts may be available, PM me for the forum details for norfolk airsofters.

bauer if your aeg fires at 345 with a .2 where do you play that allows that? actually, thinking about it, don't combat south allow a 350 limit of aegs?

As a rule, we only allow aeg's firing at 350fps on our site. Anything over that limit is deemed excessive. Consider full auto rifles firing at 390fps using .2, within a distance of 8 metres. Thats not just gonna hurt, that's really gonna hurt! So make sure your aeg's a firing at 350fps or below!

Mark

DS (Team OKAMI)

whoa 350 fps still hurts! we use 328 where i play and it still hurts like buggery, especially if you get shot on the hand, i've got welts to prove it!

free fire zone woodland allows it to.

but my local site as long as your sensible, also
also have pistol for close range and room clearing.

I've got the battle wounds too... We may revise this of the course of the next few days (or hours), so keep an eye out for posts by Ingo on this subject.

We always suggest strongly that players carry a sidearm for close quarters battle, or for those firing at high fps, but cant fire within a specified distance. Failing that, carry a springer shotty as a backup.

rogue that would be much beter, springer shotties do hurt especially at close reange, but not as much as a 350fps aeg would, maybe you should make the chrono 350fps ONLY with .2's, anyone firing above it only semi auto or whatever, that's the way my site does it, because if you get loads of people firing 350 fps with different weight ammo, some people might/will have an advantage plus people will get hurt more than what they would like lol

yeh i was confused ingo, made it sounds like an aeg firing at 350 with a .25 would be acceptable... i hope not.

Ok, to clarify, the limits are as follows for the site:

AEG firing at no more than 350 fps using either .20 or .25 ammo.

Springers (bolt actions etc) firing at no more than 400 - 450 fps using .20 or .25 ammo.

Remember that sharp shooters are not used as frontline troops, and bearing in mind this is a mil-sim event, we would not allow those using sharps into the immeadeate arena of combat due to safety reasons. ( Plus we dont people rioting because some sharpshooter is hiding underneath a guile suit capping people from just a few feet away)! People firing an AEG within a few metres at 350 with .25 is also ridiculous, so again, players would switch to a secondary weapon.

To restrict all at 350 would turn many potenial players away, and we want to hold an event that is safe, fun, fairly realistic and free. Hence why the above rulings are in place.

Thats cool.

so ill chrono my VSR with .25 and as along as its not hitting above 450 im fine.

i can then switch to .3 or .36 to make it more accurate. as 450 with a .25 is not going to be very good lol.

So long as the rifle fires at no more than 450 fps with .25, you will be fine! And if any player decides to use any ammo deemed as illegal on site, then i'm using my Tactical Nuclear Missile (crow scarer with bb greandes). lol

lol i wonder what ammo would be need to chrono a 600+ fps rifle under these limits.

lol have to find some .3 that arnt teflon coated

Cooked peas? lol

rogue isn't 350 with a .25 too much? that corresponds to a .2 firing at about 400 or so, i just used the converter thing on here and 350fps with a .25 is 1.4j and 350 using.2 is 1.1j theres a huge difference man! 450 with a .2 is 1.8j and 450 with a .25 is 2.3j

you should make it people chrono at 350 with a .2 but let them use .25s after they have chrono'd

Yeh thats kinda what i was thinking.
me and my friend def seem up for it hes gota clear it with the wife first.

but
350 aeg with .2
450 ba with .2

for the chrono then use what ammo you want after.

but then your running the event so its your call, just like xaero said theres a big difference in running 350 with a .2 and a .25

Heres a stupid question? What happens when you get shot is there a respawn point or what?

There's the medic rules Ingo posted on page 2, quickly summarised here: First hit - white bandage (all pariticapants carry one) put on by member of team. Second hit - red bandage put on by designated medic only. Third hit - dead - back to home base to re arm, refresh and respawn.

Ray

EDIT: not write, can I

also because the site is quite big.

me and my friend are sniper pairs.
if we get shot and no one else around there was a bleed out rule where we can go back to base.

BTW will there be marshells?

because im very happy to bring a video camera to film the event.

The site regulars will be acting as marshalls, we wont be wandering around with day-glo vests on, we will be participating.

just in MSN convo with Bauer.

just wondered about logistics of stuff.

do we leave out base camp set for the weekend, is there anywhere we can leave guns, or must we carry everything we have all the time ? or just all our guns ? or everything we dare not leave unattended ?

if i came i would want to use the minimi, but i doubt i could sustain its insatiable BB appetite for a whole weekend, so would also need another gun. if i had to carry this aswell as a fully pimped minimi, i would soon collapse.

You can leave the things you don't need in the camp. This is how we've worked it before on weekend long skimrishes. The entrance to the part of the site I've beem on is overlooked by the farm owner's house, and there are a couple of farm dogs up there, so it's fairly secure.

I think what's going to happen is that there'll be one or two camps (one for each force) and everything that people can't carry on them can be dumped at their respective camp. As mentioned previously, they want to basically run it day and night up til sunday afternoon. Most people will want to crash at some point. Just remember to have a guard on duty.

so i could take *a few* guns and leave them at camp, especially, as you just pointed out, there should be a couple of people on guard at camp anyway.

decisions decisions. i could bring your former AK and show you whats happened to it lol.

Yes, you can take extra guns, it'd probably be a good idea anyway just in case your primary packs in.

It'd be nice to see what you've done to it. I'll probably have one of the AKs that contirbuted to the building of your new AK47.

Ray

well that info makes me happier. i couldnt deal with carrying that damn minimi for so long.i could bring all my guns and leave then dotted around the site and just run between them lol.

this time next month 'your' AK will be metal, wood, scratched, rusty, upgraded and looking mean.

im going to get on to my possible lift, and see what he says.