What are the dimension's for these 9.0oz co2 canister's? if this works right i'll sneak one in the stock of that dream custom SR15/25 i'm trying to put together...

I like to keep people guessing.

TBH, I like my super-reliable, super cheap-to-run AEGs but I am currently considering a GBB SMG just for yucks.
Instead of doing that, coupled to my rather perverse affection for the MP5, I'd love to bung this inside my MP5 and create a GBB MP5.

Hang on...

Question: How would you set that thing up to fire semi or auto and connect to an AEG fire selector?

I bet that'd be the hardest part of the whole design.

As others have said, I'll only really consider owning one of these when I see a picture of it on Arnies front page.

ERM.... I just though.... GBB Galil SAR... I hope that:

1. This thing is good (who doesn't?)
2. It can run on HPA or C02 (externally)
3. They'll make a V3 version.

Right, time to sort out the facts,

First of all, this product is designed to be semi only atm, to prove this, il quote from the horses mouth:



Next is that even if you manage to put in an electronic circuit board (which atm will not be sold with the gun), you will only be able to get 30-50 shots out of the 12g bottle before it runs out.



and yes, the power output can be lowered


They have a forum too if this hasnt been mentioned before

Can I have the link please ?

click the word "forum"

I'll certainly be looking at it with some interest, I'm looking at the moment at a modified bullet valve system, this would save me a fair amount of engineering.
Of course My gearbox is still in good enough nick that I'm not racing out to buy one immediately - just because it sounds like I've got a cat trapped in it and it doesn't work.
As for breaking the AEG body... <strokes welded steel plate of MINIMI>

Of course I'd be looking at 20oz cylinders and probably one per game at least.

Ouch... Not full-auto? Chip? That does imply that it has electronics, I am not sure about this anymore.

Why not just stuff a GBB type action in a gearbox sized case? At the beginning of this thread I mentioned my classic Marui Gas shell-ejecting MP5. It stores gas in a cylinder in the grip, and has an adapter for external. Perhaps the ancient secrets of this were lost in 1991.

-WMH

Well, hang on for a while whilst they develop it.

Once they get a full auto one out that can use external air/C02 it should be good.

Taken from Madbull's website-

After 7 months waiting and 30k investment, 470's research and testing is finished.

Including:
(1) Gear Box Body
(2) Steel Trigger
(3) Tactical Charging Handle (Optional)
(If you don't buy our charging handle, you need to modify your original one by yourself to fit 470 system.)
(4) External CO2/ Gas adaptor (Optional)

Features:
(1) 12g CO2 cylinder on your grip
(2) Real gun action (Using charging handle for first shot.)
(3) 12g Co2 cylinder for 90~120 rds (Depends on pressure.)
(4) Operated on 600~1000 PSI
(5) Velocity: 90~110 m/sec (Upgradeable to 150 m/sec)

Release Schedule:
Molding: January
Mass production: Middle of Feb.

I can't wait

Any news on a MSRP? I hate to admit it, but I might buy an armalite just to throw this kit in it.

A while back, Madbull said $200. Not sure if that still holds though.

awesome supercool, can NOT wait !

Oh *FRUITCAGE* yes. Finally!

Here's hoping:
1. It actually DOES come out.
2. It can be made to work in my SR25.
3. It can run on HPA.
4. It's upper limit is actually higher than 150 m/s.

F-ing A.

I want one. This, too, will probably make me buy an Armalite variant. Any word on the requirements for a reciever, or can I bodge it into the nearest chinese Marui clone?

ah I was wondering what was taking so long, the original version I knew about didnt come with a charging handle, external adaptor, ran at lower pressure/power among other things.

my 3rnd burst setup should still work though

yaaayy

hopefully its still ~200

wooooooooooooooooooooooow!!!!

I thought it was cancelled!!!!

I'm getting an M4, stat!

I'll finally be able to put some of my old paintball gear that didn't sell to use, too!

So basically this converts an AEG into a "classic airsoft".

at the flick of a switch

Ah. The patience has paid off. I can hear my M15's tears of joy dripping to the floor.

Just ordered an M15 the other day


yay

Lets give this topic a nice kick to the surface again:

after some e-mailing with Madbull, i came up with some more nice information:

Q. Is the price still being around $200?
A. Yes

Q. What kind of modifications must be done in order to make it ready for the 150m/s model?
A. The easiest way: Use external Gas supply and adjust pressure to 1000 psi

Q. What kind of modifications do i have to make into the charging handle to make it fit?
A. Very easy. Our design is for DIY. YOu don't need specail tools.

Q. Is there still something you called "Hard recoil power"?
A. Recoil is still hard!

Question: What are the Power source options?
Answer: There will be a lot of option for power source:
a. Grip- 12g CO2 cylinder (~80 shots in 20'C)
b. Grip- 12g refillable CO2 cylinder (~50 shots in 20'C) (Refillable kit sold sapreately.)
c. External Gas Source by coil hose
d. Buttstock internal CO2 tank. (Under development.)

We are investing molding now.
Will be released soon!


(this isnt the exact email, its a summary with leaving all the unneeded parts out. But nothing has been changed about the 'real' data).

If i get some more details, i might post them here, if they arent on his website

Aha. My money will stay right here until this is finished.

Why are those guys getting Armalite and not Colt?

If they made this system for an M14 DMR...they could make a lot...

if they made it for the KA SVD they'd make more

if they made it for every gun they'd make the most.

I sent an email over to madbull with some questions, very quick reply!

1. Is it available for Pre-order? If not, will it be?

You can ask JAG Precision for pre-order. They are our US distributor. www.jagprecision.com

2. Is it still semi-automatic only? If so, is it possible to convert to full-auto?

It is semi-auto but we are develope the electronice trigger convert kit.

3. When will the M470 be available in United States stores?

It will be shipped in the end of Feb.

4. When will the buttstock C02 tank be available?

We are develope the buttstock convert kit in the same time.


Thanks for replying Madbull

Umm nice and all for us what about Uk? Or ist usual for the Uk to get the sh,itty ends of the stick like usual (I.E Computer games, airsoft, ect)

Oh yes baby YES!!

I mean, anyays...sweet!

I'll wait for the full auto and the stock tank... then I'd just get the cheapest Marui clone and gut it

Yeah I'm with that.
I don't want to pay for Co2 Cartriges or carry an external supply. Buttstock tank it is.

Ah, but with the CO2 cartridges in the grip, making a patriot machine pistol is much easier! No more playing "hide the battery".

Here's hoping for a full auto V3 compatible.

(/me dreams about a larger tank and integrating with the taiwanese M60 kit...)

I'm happy with semi-auto, as long as this gets into an SR-25. Man that would be fun.

I want this. But I'll have to buy an armalite for it... ah, the sacrafices my wallet hat to make

I assume this wouldn't fit into an MP5?Or would i be able top mod my body/gearbox to fit it?

Its version 2 and has no "motor" so it will fit basically every airsoft gun that exists, some will require modification to get the cocking handle to work (or you dry fire the first round of every mag)

yes it will fit in an M14
yes it will fit in ANY gun with a gearbox basically with enough love.

once its released my first project is to make cost-effective mounting solutions for every gun.

I can modify it for full auto or 3rnd burst, but your looking at an external-only option then, internal gas sucks.

Try using a 1 or 3pt sling for a while and not take it off, that is as restrictive as an external tank is with a sling-integrated solution that i'll be selling.. er.. eventually.

the only downside is the gas bottle on your back, I actually find mine nifty because I store it in a camel pack and the c02 keeps my water nice and cold

Will it now? TM one? Cause if it does I am now VERY intrested in this product.....

I highly doubt it will fit an M14. Look at the damn thing, it just won't fit without a signifigant amount of work. Its in V2 style, meaning even getting it into a G36 or AK would be a hell of a chore.

you mean like putting it inside and making sure it didnt move?

a V2 without the motor will fit inside any gun that I can think of besides the uzi, its just a matter of mounting it.

me want me want me want me want me want!!!

this will change airsoft dramaticly! lets hope people wont crank it up when they play wit that.. =/ that would hurt alot...

I say we're going to see a lot of SR-15's and SR-25's soon...

yea true... also sl9s

if someone puts it in there lol

Well, this does solve a lot of "AEG sniper rifle problems..." but now it won't be an AEG anymore... just a gas gun with an AEG shell...

good luck with that line up a v2 gearbox with an m14 shell and then getting it to feed and with any other gun that isnt designed for a v2.

Madbull has plans to release version 3 gearboxes sometime in the distant future.

Good point.

Automatic Gas Gun? naa...

Semi Automatic Gas Gun.... SAGG?

Semi Automatic CO2 Gas Rifle/AEG gun... SACO2GR/AEGG?

hehe

I applogize since anything that requires any sort of work whatsoever is immediatly deemed as impossible to you.

I'll try to come up with a user friendly drop-in mod for the lazy/stupid

there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that the current modle 470 could ever fit into an m14 gearbox shell. not even close. if you just measure the side of an m14 its only about 2" at most where the gearbox fits into, look at the model 470. its not even close to being possible.

Want to bet?