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Description:
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Full-Auto selectable version of the KWA Glock 19 replica. It takes the same magazines and many of the same parts, and costs only a small amount more. Comes with plastic slide as standard.
NOTE: The photos above show the after-market metal slide fitted, but it is exactly the same as the included plastic slide, except for the trademarks which are engraved on the plastic slide, not white painted like on the one pictured.
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KWA Glock 23f Pistol Metal Semi Full Auto Semi-Auto Full-Auto
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R22Master
Dionysus
Registered: September 2004
Location: Static in the UK, but wishing I was motorbiking around the world - UK > Europe > Russia > Alaska > USA > UK.
Posts: 3372
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Review Date: 15/8/05
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 8
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Pros:
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Cheap, compact, semi or full-auto switchable, many different magazines available, replacement and upgrade parts available, integrated RIS rail
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Plastic mag-latch can wear out over time with excessive use, some batches have shown to be easily breakable during normal usage
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I bought my first two KWA Glock 23fs about 6 months ago because I wanted a couple of cheap full-auto guns to dual-gun with. I bought my third KWA Glock 23f because I just loved the other two so much and wanted an emergency backup in case one of my primary ones failed. I now have three of these guns.
The Gun
This gun has a plastic top-slide with full trademarks stamped/engraved on the sides. The outer barrel is also plastic. The slide-release latch is metal, and the frame, trigger and mag-latch are ABS plastic.
On first picking up this gun, you will notice the weight. Without the magazine it is nothing too special, but with the magazine inserted the weight is just right - very similar to the real-steel version, although those with current real-steel experience will notice that it is slightly lighter.
The sights have white dots painted on them to help acquire targets quickly and accurately, and everything is dimensionally almost identical to the real-steel Glock 23 model. So much so that all accessories, holsters and external add-ons designed for the real Glock 23 or Glock 19 will fit this one.
The trigger has the patented Glock safety mechanism using an inner trigger to ensure that the gun cannot fire without the trigger being actuated properly. On this Airsoft model, this safety mechanism is not 100% reliable, but does help to reduce the possibility of accidental discharge when holstering the pistol.
The entire gun fits in the hand very comfortably and it is a pleasure to use both when skirmishing and plinking.
The HOP-UP is easily adjustable without stripping down the gun, although you do need to use the 'key' that is included with the gun. The HOP-UP can be set very accurately and stays where you set it without feeling the need to budge by itself.
The gun has a selector switch on the rear left side of the slide which allows the user to select between Semi-Auto, Full-Auto and Safe modes of fire. However, operation of this selector can be a tad quirky. The selector should NOT be adjusted when the internal hammer is forward, as it could cause strain to internal mechanisms. The selector can be adjusted freely though when the gun is cocked and ready to fire, whether the slide is backward or forward (Note: This is different to the Glock 18c which should only be switched when the slide is back).
The gun strips down VERY easily. Just select the central "Safe" position on the selector switch, cock the gun and pull down the two forward tabs on each side of the frame. The slide just slides off and all of the internal components are then accessible.
Firing
Fill up the magazine with 0.20g BBs and Green Gas, lock back the slide, insert the magazine, drop the slide and you're ready to go.
Select your mode of fire using the selector switch (UP = Semi-Auto / DOWN = Full-Auto / CENTRE = Safe), aim it and pull the trigger. The recoil is clean and crisp. Accompanying each shot is a nice quick click-clack as the slide racks back and forth automatically. On Full-Auto you are treated to a VERY fast cyclic rate as the gun just spits BBs out furiously in front of you. It is amazing fun.
The recoil is better than average, and shot power is excellent. I get just over 300fps out of mine consistantly. The bang from this gun is average, but this makes for much better gas consumption figures.
This gun is accurate enough for skirmishing in most conditions, although I wouldn't say that this pistol was a record-breaker. It certainly does me proud though. Having said that, in Full-Auto mode the recoil DOES alter your point of aim and you will find that your second shot onwards will overfly a small target no matter how tough you grip the gun.
This gun runs on Green Gas, usually with no problems. However, while most users report total reliability, I have personally experienced a LOT of rocket valves breaking in this gun when used excessively on Green Gas and in full-auto mode. If this happens to you, it is reasonably easy (and very cheap) to get hold of a metal rocket valve for this gun, which will keep the gun working flawlessly for ages.
Note on Rocket Valves: The rocket valve sits inside the blowback chamber in the slide of the gun. Basically, this valve shuts off gas pressure to the barrel when there is little or no resistance in there (i.e. the BB has left the gun). Basically, the rocket valve "rockets" forward to cut off flow to the barrel, leaving the gas's only escape path as a burst in to the blowback chamber - hence blowing back the reloading mechanism of the gun. If you fire the gun with a BB in the barrel, the rocket valve remains open until the BB has left the barrel. If you fire it with no BB in the barrel, the valve simply closes slightly sooner. The shooter notices no difference though. It is the rapid 'rocketing' that this valve does that can cause breakages in the unusually weak plastic version that comes installed in the gun. Metal rocket valves do not suffer from this weakness.
Accessories
There are quite a few accessories available for this gun. The fact that there is a RIS rail on the front means that most RIS compatible devices can fit instantly.
As the Glock is such a popular gun and this Airsoft model almost exactly matches the real-steel gun externally, the plethora of professional holsters that are available will fit this gun. This makes this gun a very easy to carry skirmish sidearm in the holster of your choice.
More importantly though, there are several different sizes of magazine that fit in this gun. Any KSC or KWA Glock magazine will fit. The Glock 19 or 23f magazines fit flush, exactly as the one that came with the gun does. Also available are Glock 17 or 18c magazines which hold a few more shots and extend slightly from the bottom of the grip. Best of all though are the 50 shot magazines which extend noticably from the bottom of the gun, but provide a lot of BBs and a vast increase in output power. These are highly recommended, especially for those who crave the true essence of "Full-Auto-Joy". 
Upgrades
Upgrade parts are available for this gun, but few are actually needed. It is a very reliable pistol apart from the rocket valve problem I mentioned earlier, and this does not seem to affect every user. There are a couple of upgrades that I can understand people doing though...
1. The Rocket Valve
This is an upgrade I would advise any Glock 23f owner to do as it does make the gun infinitely more reliable (although some owners will experience total reliability without performing this upgrade - luck of the draw really). Here is a link which shows the rocket valve issues I experienced and the results of the fixes.
2. The Mag-latch
The mag-latch on this gun is made from plastic. If you use the 50-round magazine often enough, your mag-latch can warp slightly, causing a gap to appear between the top of the mag and the underside of the blowback chamber. This causes a slight amount of gas venting per shot which leads to fewer shots per mag being possible. Metal mag-latches are cheap and easily available, and fix this problem instantly and forever.
Other available upgrade parts include enhanced recoil springs, metal slides, threaded barrels, tighter inner barrels, stronger hammer springs, hi-flow valves, and more. The choice is endless, but there is little cause to feel an upgrade is actually a necessity unless you actually experience a rare breakage
Conclusion
This gun is great fun. As usual with GBBs, I have experienced more than my fair share of problems with this model, but a very cheap upgrade now sees me with three utterly reliable pistols that are just so much fun to shoot.
It goes full-auto or semi-auto at your discretion, a good performer, consistantly one of the cheaper GBB pistols you can get, easily available, has a wide choice of magazines, has a load of accessories and upgrades available, runs on Green Gas, etc, etc, etc...
It is great for plinking as it is fun to shoot, but it makes a great skirmish gun. These guns also unleash the feeling of what I like to call "Full-Auto Joy" in the shooter in spades. I have three of these that are used excessively and none of them have NEVER failed or jammed even once.
It may not be the loudest or the hardest kicking pistol out there, but it does what it does well and I would never change that. The weak rocket valve problem I have experienced with this pistol several times over is a pain, but the easily available cheap upgrade part make this pistol pretty much perfect, and one of the most fun pistols you can buy.
This gun would have been awarded a 10 out of 10 if it had come with a metal rocket valve and metal slide/barrel assembly, but you can't have everything. As such, it gets a well deserved 8 out of 10.
If you're looking for "Full-Auto Joy" in a compact pistol, this one is well worth a look.  ------------------------------ New and inspiring signature coming to an R22 post near you SOON...
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Sh0ty
Bow chica bow wow
Registered: March 2006
Location: Wouldn't you like to know
Posts: 1113
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Review Date: 22/9/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 9
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Pros:
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Compact, HW frame, Hybrid cut slide, Wicked fast, Best sights I've ever seen on a Glock
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Cons:
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Short life span on green + plastic barrel, Maybe too fast, Comes with bad looking mag. (I like the 20 rd. mag)
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I got this G23F as a token of my appreciation for myself... Ah hell, I wanted a machine pistol, and I like em small. I purchased this work of art from Paul at cobraairsoft (ace srvice BTW. I needed a replacement part, and they shipped it out next day via air mail) and waited 4 cruel days for it to arrive on my doorstep.
The Glock
The gun has a plastic slide and barrel, with fake trademarks on the left and right sides. The slide stop is the only external metal part, aside from the fire selector. The HW frame is absolutely outstanding. The finish is beautiful, and it feels great in my hands. I re-did the slide finish, to look more like tefiner and to make it less toy like. (let's face it, orange is not this gun's color) One thing I'd like to mention is that the rails on the RIS included with the gun (it allows the mag to be used as a foregrip) are made of plastic. This is bad news for anyone planning to mount an M203 for ludacris CQBness, but it should hold up fine with reasonable accys.
The internals seem to be sturdy, but I experienced one major issue, within ten mags worth of ammo. The entire recoil system is held in place by the outer barrel, which is a problem, as the outer barrel is made of plastic. The bottom of my outerbarrel is worn down, and wouldn't catch on the frame properly. I removed the broken pieces and the gun works smoothly now, but I recommend the metal slide and barrel. Please note this happened on the use of green gas, which this gun isn't rated to take.
One noteable feature of this gun is the barrel. It has a hybrid cut, a term used to describe a barrel, that has a block of metal on it, where the slide normally is. The slide, then has a cut, for the barrel to interlock. (pics will explain) On real steel, the hybrid is used to compensate for muzzle climb. It works by venting gasses up through the barrel, to push down on the muzzle, while the recoil pushes up. On airsoft, this hybrid barrel serves only good looks, as there are no gasses that go through the outer barrel.
Operation
To load the mag, pull down the BB follower, until it clicks into place at the bottom of the mag. Pour in your BB's, making sure they are staggered properly, and pull on the follower to get it back into place. Fill the mag with gas, and you're done with the mag. I recommend pulling and locking the slide back, before inserting the mag, to avoid excess wear and tear on the chamber. While the slide is back, select your mode of fire (up for single, down for auto, and center for safe) and insert the mag. Pull the slide back that last bit and let her rip. The recoil is the best I've gotten, from a plastic gun, and it's much faster than any metal slided gun I've shot. She is also fairly loud, I hurt my ear when I accidentally fired it next to my ear. Full auto turns this gun into an animal, making good aim near impossible, without really holding on tight to the gun. The gun runs fine on green, but I recommend 134a if you don't intend to switch out the slide, barrel, rocket valve, and recoil spring soon.
EDIT: After 100 rounds, 20 of which were on full auto, she died, this was then permanently fixed with a metal slide and barrel set, along with a guarder recoil spring.
Pros
-Great kick
-Good gas effeciancy
-Wicked fast
-HW frame is teh sechs
-Hybrid barrel is really cool
Cons
-Plastic based recoil system
-Comes with lame mag attachment, I'd like a regular 20rd. mag
-Fakey trades (it's a fake gun anyways, so it's not a big deal)
OVER-ALL Grade
9/10, a good performer, but for bone-stock reliablity, get a KSC G19 with a metal slide.
-Sh0ty------------------------------ ||CA H&K G3A3||KSC Glock 23F||Tanaka M37||TM Mp5 SD5||I'll answer any KSC,KWA, HFC, KJW or Marui Glock Q   
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Justin Noland
Registered: July 2006
Posts: 5
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Review Date: 29/12/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 8
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Pros:
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Full automatic fire, highly durable, uber compact, fast ROF, comfortable
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Plastic trigger, full auto could wear down components quickly, uncomfortable for large hands
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Hey all, I just picked up my new toy, a KWA Glock 26c. It is a sub-compact machine pistol, capable of semi and full automatic fire. Let us get the basics out of the way:
KWA G26C Specs
Price- $164.99 (Can be found for around $130 online)
Std. Mag Capacity- 20 rds
Extended Mag Capacity- 50 rds ($70.00)
Rounds Per Second (RPS)- 22 (I checked by recording through my PC)
I bought the gun, two extended mags, two cans of green gas, and 2000 rounds of 0.2 bbs for $334 at an airsoft store in Portland, Oregon, USA. Merry Christmas to me! :D Anyways, here is a pic of the gun and its assorted stuff:
My first thought when I saw the G26c was what a great close-quarters weapon it would make. With an extended mag, it would be very well suited for CQB activities because of its extremely compact body, which would allow for easy maneuverability indoors. With accuracy and ROF comparable to that of a KWA Mac-11, it is easy to see how such a gun would be able to function well indoors.
I was carefully considering getting a KWA mac-11 for CQB because its high ROF make it perfect for spray tactics. However, the Mac-11 lacks one thing that the G26c offers, which is the ability to be easily holstered for sidearm use. The M11 is too big to be effectively used as a secondary for outdoor combat. This key factor drew me to the G26c.
When not being used as a primary weapon for indoor combat, I can slap its 20 round normal mag in it, and it holsters just as easy (if not easier due to its tiny size) than a regular pistol. It shoots fine on semi-auto, unlike the Mac-11, which loves to jam in that mode.
Glock 26c with Extended Mag:
Even with the extended clip in, the weapon is still very compact and portable. Even easily holstered. Not so with a Mac-11, because of the rifle-like position of the mag.
G26 with the standard mag (notice how it fits PERFECTLY in my hand).
I picked up two extended mags, for a field-readiness of 120 rounds shared between the two extended mags and the one standard mag. Not a bad setup for indoors, where games tend to be fast paced.
Build Quality:
One of the new features on this gun, compared to the older versions, is the full metal slide. On the older machine pistols such as the glock 18c and the earlier version of the G26c, the plastic slides broke quickly under the stress of full auto. Having not owned the gun for more than a few hours, I cannot speak for its long-term reliability, although one can infer that the metal slide will have a significant impact on the durability and lifespan of the weapon.
The lower receiver is built of standard ABS plastic. The grip is ambidextrous, but is contoured for the fingers, has a very nice curve, and is nicely textured for grip and comfortability. It fits my medium-sized hands quite well, but those with larger hands will find that the compactness of the gun will leave your little finger hanging off the bottom when using the regular clip.
As is the case with most KWA pistols, the gun is absolutely perfectly balanced. With an extended clip it is, obviously, back-heavy, but otherwise it well-weighted and extremely solid. Needless to mention, all clips are solid metal.
Firing:
This is the fun part. Having owned other machine pistols in the past (Mac-11 from HFC, Beretta M93R), I have had solid experience with them. On the M93R, the full auto function was almost an afterthought, plagued by very fast wear of seals and internal parts. It was a semi-auto pistol with full auto capabilities. In the case of the Mac-11 and the G26C, however, they come across much more like full-auto pistols with semi auto capabilities. With its standard clip loaded and charged, the G26 drains it in under a second (hence the need for an extended clip).
Gas regulation is superb, and I averaged about 1.5-2 clips of ammo per gas fill. this ratio was comparable on the extended clips as well.
Accuracy was mediocre as far as rifles and semi-auto full-size pistols go. But as machine pistols go, it has been one of the more accurate I have tested. From 20 feet, a 20 round clip left groupings within a diameter the size of a large soup can, with only maybe 20% falling outside that range. Considering the ROF, this is definitely acceptable, because what the G26c lacks in accuracy it makes up for in sheer speed. Imagine unloading 20 rounds into an area the size of large soup can in under a second. Even if 80% of your bbs somehow missed your target, simply the sound of all of that plastic hitting the walls in a CQB would scare your enemy sh!tless. Yay for scare tactics.
Here is a couple of pics of the groupings.
Here is it zoomed out.
Imagine that in your face or chest from 20 feet. That box is about the same width of a human at that range. Ow. Most BBs fully punctured the cardboard and continued to dent the opposite side of the box. The few that got stuck are because the clip was on its last big of gas and wasn't pushing them as hard.
The kick is acceptable, if not overly realistic like many CO2 guns. In the 300 rounds I have put through this gun for testing, I haven't had one jam or mis-fire, but that can be expected from any KWA product, as they are known for superb reliability, especially in their glocks.
I can only hope that the reliability and durability that the other KWA glocks are known for transcends into this one. If the gun is kept well-cleaned and the seals and slide well lubed, I can't foresee any reason this gun would fail. Of course the seals will need replacing eventually, but that is to be expected with any gun, full auto or otherwise. But the high metal content of the internals and the metal slide should equate to good to great life expectancy and durability.
In Summary:
This is one of the smallest and most well-designed machine pistols I've handled. For its purpose as a CQB weapon, as long as you keep a couple of extended mags on you, there isn't any reason why it wouldn't perform admirably in an indoor situation. I am very impressed by such a good amount of firepower in such a tiny package. The construction of the gun and its compatibility with any size of glock mags makes it well suited as a secondary arm in any situation. When you pull this baby out in an outdoor game, your enemy will be taken aback by seeing full auto come out of a glock like this. Hopefully that fear, paired with its decent accuracy, will compensate for the fact that your clip will be gone before he can yell "hit!" However, if you are looking for a sidearm for primarily secondary use, and full auto is of little to no use for you, there are arguably better firearms for the job. Unless the sub-compactness is critical, smallish guns like glock 19s and hi-capa 3.8s will perform just as well or better under semi-auto. The build quality of the KWA is exceptional, but its reliability as a machine pistol remains to be seen.
Rating: 8/10.
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