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Description:
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Tokyo Marui G3 SAS, small compact, easily cna be used around the field, weather it be Woodland or CQB, this gun performs very nicely.
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G3 SAS HK Series Tokyo Marui
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Guy_with_a_gun
Registered: September 2004
Posts: 75
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Review Date: 14/10/05
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £230.00
| Rating: 9
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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Size, Upgrade ability, cost, EG1000 motor, easily takes acssories from the G3/MP5 series.
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Cons:
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Range (depending on what you use it for), Battery (can house a large battery in a G3 Stock)
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Tokyo Marui G3 SAS
October 1, 2005
August 16, 2005 – Driving back from California and ending 2 weeks of vacation, I decided to stop by Airsoft Extreme in Sacramento to look around. I was planning on buying a Tokyo Marui VSR G-Spec from them but since they didn’t carry it I turned my eyes onto another gun I had been looking at for a while, the Tokyo Marui G3 SAS. Now don’t get my wrong, many people dislike this gun because of its smallness and looks, let me say right now that I like the way this gun looks and use it very effectively in woodland skirmishes, that’s right I said it, woodland. This gun is highly upgradeable, with most accessories from the MP5 and G3 series being able to fit on this gun, more about this later. So, after a while of looking it over I decided to buy it. It was about $230 for the gun plus bb’s. they didn’t carry the mini batteries there, so the next night in my hotel I ordered 2 8.4v 600MaH batteries, and a standard magazine, and a quick charger which i will talk about later.
First Looks
Well my first time looking at this gun up close was in the Airsoft Extreme. The guy working there was kind enough to let me test fire it in the small range/chronograph they had in the shop. However, since the range was a dim lighted tunnel in a wall, I wasn’t able to see how well it shot then. More on this later in another section, but I have to admit it sounded good. I had read very good reviews about this gun, and with a vision of what I wanted this gun to look like; I went ahead and bought it.
Second Looks
After getting home from vacation I went to my room, set down the package and took my new gun out of its box, I carefully looked the whole thing over and proceeded to write my review of it…
Body
As this is a Tokyo Marui gun, it’s mostly made of plastic, but it is a very solid and sturdy gun with no body flex, as do some longer guns. Still, this gun does have a few metal parts worth mentioning. Metal parts include, full front sight assembly, outer barrel and thread, charging handle, magazine release button and lever, selector switch, magazine, rail below the battery box/front grip, release button on front grip, trigger, rear sight, and the metal cap on the end as well as the sling swivel. Then you have the mech box and everything in there, and well as the screws and pins. Tokyo Marui also added fake molding seams on parts of the gun, like the ejection port cover.
Front grip
As this gun does not have a stock you will be stuck with the mini battery until you decide that you need more power. The metal button mentioned above is on the front of the grip, you push it up and pull the whole grip forward and down. The battery fits snuggle inside the grip and there are 2 pieces of squishy foam to help hold it firmly. Tokyo Marui also managed to put metal threads in the sides of the grip instead of taking the fast lane and making them out of plastic, this allows for another rail to be put on each side.
Magazine
The magazine is made of metal as said above, and it clicks into place very nicely. You have to rock it into the gun well kind of like an AK, but you only insert it at about a 45-degree angle. I think that Tokyo Marui could have done a little better job on the G3 magazines, the catch on the magazine is plastic and not metal like on other mags, like from an AK47. Its not a big problem, the mag is in there good, and there’s no side wobble at all. The magazine that comes with the G3 is a 500 round Hi-cap, and should suit those people who like to spray, but you can also buy the normal 70 round magazines. That comes with the rest of the G3 series. to use the Hi-cap, jsut open the little door on the top and fill the mag up. then jsut turn the wheel on the botton untill the sound changes, i never wind it up that much, jsut about 50 turns does it for me.
Flash Suppressor
When I first got my gun it came with a small orange flash suppressor as well as the bigger black one made for this gun, which was in the bottom of the box. I had tried to take off the orange tip in a hotel I was staying at but with no luck, when got home I tried again, this time with a trusty pair of pliers, Still no luck. Then I discovered a problem that I must’ve overlooked in my sleep deprived week, I was twisting the wrong way! I had failed to remember that it was a reverse thread. Twisted it the other way and it came right off. Then I screwed on the small black metal thread protector and was ready to put on the black suppressor. Its made of plastic and some people don’t really like the looks of it, I think it looks ok. To put it on you push it over the outer barrel and twist it so that the little switch is on the left side of the gun, then you push the switch in and its locked on, you get used to taking it on and off after a while, but the first time is kind of tricky. The only downside to it is that you have to take it off every time you change the battery, not a big problem, as this could be a good thing as well, (ensures that the grip doesn’t somehow come off if you bump against something.)
Trademarks?
The SAS does have some trade marks on it but the G3, as i will talk about later was melted off. see pictures.
Packaging
The box it came in was the usual as with Tokyo Marui guns, but instead of a full foam inside, it had a foam/cardboard type of mold, with more foam on the top of the box, (see picture) it was well packaged with the manual and all the other useless junk that comes inside the plastic bag. The only weird thing about the box I got is the unusual thing that Airsoft Extreme did to it. Maybe its because there and actual store, but i’ve never had this done from any of my online purchases. “They took of all of the trademarks.” I could understand taking them off of the gun, but the box? Everywhere there was a “G3” it was cut off the box, even the small G3 on the picture on the box. (see picture at top of page) However, all that mattered was what as inside the box. And as you can see in the picture, the G3 that used to be on the gun has been melted off.
Accessories
Accessories are very much a big part of this gun, after using it for a while, you begin to notice all that unused space on the gun. Since this can take accessories from the G3 series as well as the MP5 series, many parts can be put on; I currently have a Classic Army vertical grip. Other items to throw on include, G3 full stock, folding stock, various mounts for the top of the gun, red dot scopes, rails for the sides of the front grip for flashlights, lasers, etc. About a month from writing this review I will have my MC51, from which I will install a G3 full stock and then take the collapsible stock and put it on my SAS. You could even put a mini launcher on the front of this gun and I think that would be cool. My friends and I were discussing the insane factor of a G3 SAS with 3 launchers on it, and figured it would cost over $450 plus shells. The 14mm thread in the front will accept a variaty of silencers as well,, which could, if you want, house a longer barrel for better range.
Firing - Range/Accuracy
As said before, I had tested this gun out at Airsoft Extreme, but didn’t really get to test it out. It sounds very good shooting though, the EG1000 motor makes it more of a “pop” instead of a “wirr pop.” This is also very true shooting on full auto. The range on this gun is about the same as most other Tokyo Marui made guns, maybe a little less due to the shorter barrel. Standing outside with no wind using -.2-gram bb’s I can hit a man-sized target from about 130 feet. As this is a small gun, it is best suited for CQB, but if you play like me, can be used effectively in woodland, as I will talk about later. Accuracy for this gun is somewhat lacking in woodland also due to the small barrel. The EG1000 motor churns out bb’s, for those of us who like to spray, this is the gun to get. For higher ROF get the full stock with large battery. Range can also be improved by installing a longer tight bore barrel housed inside a silencer.
Hop-Up
I really like the design of the G3 series hop-up, you just pull back on the charging handle and lock it into place, and then you just use your finger to turn the dial inside the ejection port. This makes it very easy to adjust the hop-up while in a game. You can also perform the “HK Slap” but I wouldn’t recommend doing it that much as it might break eventually.
Specs
Weight –2,200g, (4.8lb)
Length – 487 mm (19.2in)
Barrel Length: 208 mm
Magazine – Comes with 500rnd Hi-Cap
FPS - ~260 (about .63 joules with .2)
Motor EG1000
Battery 8.4volt 600MaH Mini
Mechbox – Version 2
ROF – Over 700 per minute I would estimate
Uses – Woodland & CQB
My first time using this gun was in a woodland setting, ya that’s right woodland. I’ve gotten criticism for using this gun in a woodland setting, but it really all depends on how you play. I have a longer gun for when I like to stay back and be a sharpshooter, and I use this when I like to slowly make my way through the field. On one game I crawled within 15 feet of someone before I shot him, which really makes you feel food about yourself, and makes for great boasting stories later on. However, don’t buy this gun if you plan on trying to shoot long range, as this is no SG1. The full auto on this gun makes it very easy to nail someone who’s on the run, and many have run into the fire of the mighty SAS. I was able to use this gun at a CQB game up at my local Northwest Tactical where it proved its use even more. Using my Classic Army vertical grip, it makes holding the gun close to you easy. One thing that I have found with some people is that holding longer guns can make you stick your elbows out to the sides a bit but not with this gun, you can hold it very close to your body and fire away, running with it is easy as well. At one point I had to run by the side of a building at the course, and managed to get 2 people out while holding the gun with one hand and firing through a window.
Charger
I bought this caharger, a Prolux Alfa-3 Quick Charger from airsplat.com, for about 40 bux. very good buy in my oppinion. It includes both conectors to charge large and small batteries. I can charger both of my batteries in 30 min, it takes about 15 minutes per battery. you cna adjust the amperage so that you can also charger larger batteries in about the same time, but 9.6v batteries might take a bit longer... It features an auto shut off function so it doesnt over charger your batteries and wich the flick of a switch can discharge batteries as well.
Over all this gun has a lot of potential and i would recomend this gun to anyone who want a decnent gun to play with, the fast fire, upgrade capability and everything else this gun has to offer makes this gun fun to fire.
Thanks for reading
Other Links
Another G3 SAS review
http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=20032&pid=420416&st=0&#entry420416
And another...
http://www.airsoftspecialists.com/reviews/G3SAS/G3SAS.htm
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orca
The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla
Registered: September 2004
Location: Behind the Orange Kurtain, So. Kalifornia.
Posts: 1,271
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Review Date: 29/1/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £130.00
| Rating: 9
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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Rock solid feel. Based on proven G3 AEG.
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Cons:
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Not based on a real G3 Variant for G3 purists
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Size Comparison Shot: G3/SG1, MC-51 Custom (DEN Custom Neo G3 Shorty), G3 SAS, G36c
As you can see by the above pic I have a few G3 class rifles and I really like them. I wish I had an MP5 just to take this pic, but I put my G36c in the pic since it's grip is simular to an MP5. In the real steel world I prefer the 7.62 round over a 5.56 or handgun round so that may be why I prefer G3's. But I do prefer the larger frame of the G3 class.
Summary
The G3 SAS is a combination of a G3 + MP5(K). In this TM rendition, you see we have the MP5k Front End, Cocking Tube, Claw Type Barrel Attachment, Quick Detach Flash Hider, G3 End Cap with Sling Attachment and 500 round High Cap Magazine.
Some updated improvements to the TM G3 series include: G3 Trademarks, an EG1000 motor and Navy Markings on the Selector.
G3 SAS Packaging
Tokyo Marui does a wonderful job in their packaging and package design. The packaging of the G3 SAS does not disappoint and shows how their packaging has evolved.
G3 SAS Manual - HK History
There is no "REAL" counterpart to this TM G3 SAS and from a real standpoint I think it would be a hella uncontrollable gun w/o a stock. I guess it could exist, but not in TM's form. The MP5K Cocking Handle and Tube only would chamber a 9mm size bullet an not work with a 7.62 round. But TM went through alot of trouble trying to justify this as a prototype gun like the G11. This model is supposed to shoot a 7.62 HITP Flechette round. (Still doesn't solve the short pull on the cocking handle). But above pic is just one section in the TM G3SAS manual that tries to justify the G3SAS's existence.
G3 SAS Front End
The front end is very MP5K looking. It has a 3 Claw Muzzle Adapter w/ 14mm Negative thread, Thread Protector, QD Type Flash Suppressor and MP5K Cocking Handle (Pulling the Cocking Handle will open the Shell Ejector Port to give access to the Hop Up Dial).
G3 SAS Front End - Battery Fore Grip
The Foregrip that holds the Battery will take an mini 8.4 and mini 9.6 8 cell battery w/o any modification! There is a button on the front of the foregrip that lets you easily remove it to replace the battery. One downside is you have to remove the QD Flash Hider or Silencer to remove the foregrip. Also on either side of the foregrip are pre-installed screw holes to attach G36 short side rails.
G3 SAS Body
New to the G3 series by TM are HK Trademarks and Navy Trigger Group Markings!!! They Selector Switch also feels less "mushy" then past G3's and because of how short the G3SAS is it feels very solid with no barrel wobble or fore grip squeaking/creaking (G3 owners know what I'm talking about). And on the end it a G3 end cap with an MP5K type of sling swivel.
G3 SAS Cosmetic Upgrades
If you seen my other airsoft guns you can tell I hate to leave them stock, and luckily I had a bunch of extra parts I had purchased for my other G3's but never used them. So I got to make this Frankenstein of a gun a little more Frankenstein'd 
So far, added the following:
- Guarder 30 MM Reddot Scope
- TGS 30mm QD Mount Ring with Knight's Armament Markings (This gives me the use of existing iron sights as well)
- G&G Low Profile Scope Mount
- G36c Short Side Rails
- TM MC-51 Slither Stock
- TM Knight's Fore Grip Handle
- Spec-Ops Wolf Hook Sling
G3 SAS Shoulder Stock Extended
Well even thought this is a sub machine gun, I just had to put something to shoulder this when fired. I guess it's my past training that makes it feel weird to me to aim and fire w/o a stock...
Performance
With the addition of the EG1000 motor to the G3SAS the ROF is on par with any other recent TM gun. You and hear and see the difference between an older G3's and this one.
Chrono Results (FPS)
AEG
.20 BB's
Min: 272.48
Max: 288.23
Avg: 281.94
LOL... A Real Small SAW :P
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Putting my money where my mouth is...
OMFG The A.I.C.S. is NOT an L96, AWP or AWM!!!
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crablegs
Registered: September 2006
Location: NE
Posts: 516
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Review Date: 13/3/07
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £200.00
| Rating: 8
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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great size and weight, good mag capacity ,great overall
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Cons:
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hard to find gear for the .308 mags (if you find a chest rig for.308 pm me) limited battery capacity
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Tokyo Marui G3 SAS
Hop-Up: Adjustable
Weight: 2,200 g
Length: 487 mm
Capacity: 500 rounds
Power: 260 fps
Motor: EG1000
Battery Size: 8.4V 600MaH Mini (Not Included)
Shooting Mode: Semi, Full Auto
Version II Mechbox
Whoo, first review time.
Okay, first a little of my airsoft history. The SAS is my first real AEG, before this I had a DE m85 and a CSI ak47s, both of which were crap. When the CSI AK broke I started talking to my mom about Marui AEGs, at first it was no, but after a few essays I finally convinced her and got the go ahead to order.
Ordering, I ordered the gun and a bag of .2 bbs, from trinityairsoft.com without shipping the total was about 215 dollars. I was slightly surprised when I didnt recieve any emails saying that the order was shipped, or if my order even went through. I also ordered, a g&p 1200 mah battery, smart charger, and adaptor from batteryspace.com. As I stated before I did not even know if my gun was shipped, but one day when I walked in the back door from school, I was sitting watching tv and I heard the cat on the porch, but when I walked in the porch, there was small brown box on the floor!(the cat was accidently forgot on the porch until the next morning) I ripped open the box, read the funny manuals, and preceded to write my review.
First looks
I was amazed with this gun, it looked nothing like it did in the pictures, it has a lot of metal, and the plastic is very strong, there is no body flex. As I was looking the gun over, I saw a black square above the mag, I realized that this was a piece of tape, after I bit of scratching I revealed the G3 trademarks! Overall this gun looks AWESOME!
Future/[u]
I plan on keeping this gun stock, to maximize the life of it, and because it is my first AEG. Within the year though, I plan on adding an m4 stock probably, and maybe a longer barrel in a silencer. I will mostly be playing in woodland, where the max range will be about 150 feet, but most shots will be inside of 100 feet.
[u]Magazine
The SAS comes standard with a 500 round Hi-cap magazine, great for for those who like to spray. I did notice though, that when the mag is in the gun, there is just enough left to right wobble to be worth mentioning, but I don't think that it should be a problem.
Accessories
I love the standard flashider on this gun. It is a bit tricky getting it off, you have to push in the little tab, pull back and then outward, you should now be able to turn the tab horizonal, and slide the flashider, you must take this off to insert the battery. To slide it back on just push the flashider onto the gun, turn counterclockwise(looking down the sights) and push the little tab in. The SAS is very versatile, it can take parts such as, g3 full stock, any mp5 stock, almost all mp5 accesories, most accesories from the g3 series, and with an attachment you could put a red dot scope on there.
Here we go, the moment that you have all been waiting for, shooting. As soon as I got home from school today I grabbed the battery, which had came ups off the front porch, and as it was storin a little juice, I started to look at the hi-cap. I poured the tm .25 bbs that come with the gun in the mag and turned the dial a few times, when I saw a bb in the top of the mag I decided that that was enough. I had heard from some people that tms have problems putting the battery in, but those people must not own a g3 sas, I found it rather easy to get in when you get the hang of it. I took the gun out to my backyard target range, which is several wood blocks hanging from trees, and flipped it on semi auto. With my old csi ak, when it would hit the wood the bbs would bounce off, but oh no not on this bad boy, the bbs were taking huge chunks of wood out of the logs! I was very surprised by the noise of the gun, it was more of a pop, instead of wirrpop, and after a few short bursts on full auto I came to assume that the ROF is about 750 rpm, which is a huge step up from the 400 rpm of the csi. Overall it IS the best shooting airsoft I have ever fired(which isnt saying much). Overall for target shooting, this gun ROCKS! See skirmishability section for woodland performance.
Firing
Today I took the gun out with a fully charged battery, put in a full mag, and after adjusting the hop up I was hitting targets out to 100+ feet! I was amazed for the incredible accuracy at that range with such a small barrel, and it is not like on some guns where after a certain distance the bbs start going everywhere.
Skirmishability
I just used the sas yesterday in a 5v5 skirmish. It completely owned, it was the only high end aeg there for the majority of the time, but it still pwned everyone. Our first skirmish was me and 4 other guys against 5 other guys, we play in a heavily forested area, and the SAS being so small was easy to maneuver. Me and my team were moving down heavily wooded trails, we were just taking a little break when we heard the other team around the curve in a trail. Our guy with a utg shotgun was stationed in some bushes he opened up on the enemy but to no avail. By this time I had moved to a small tree in the middle of the small clearing we were resting in, my team was all firing at the 2 shapes that were trying to get our shotguner. I fired one 10 round burst and got both of the enemies out. I knew this wasnt finished so I charged down the trail and around the curve to find their sniper cocking his bolt, he was finsihed with a burst from me. By this time all of the enemy had been eliminated and everybody was scared of Miss Sassy(my gun ) So yes this gun is very good for close quarters, and has enough accuracy for mid range shots, it is small and manuverable making moving through dense brush a snap.
Closing
I give this gun a 4/5 the only thing that it really lacks is the long range capability, but this could be solved easily with the addition of a stock and a few upgrades.
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Props to Aquafina of ASB for the sig!!!
[quote name='blindspot' post='1987723' date='Jan 15 2009, 11:33 PM']"Is that a penis?!?!"[/quote]
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