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Tank
Registered: January 2005
Location: CONUS
Posts: 499
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Review Date: 18/11/05
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 9
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All metal, realistic feild stripping, solid build, nice fit & finish.
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Must remove butt plate to install battery.
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The other day I had the pleasure of testing a sample of the G&G RK104. (AK 104)
So, I decided to write a review. Let me start by apologizing for the pictures, they aren’t the greatest but, there the best I could do with the camera I have at work.
Here’s the pretty box.
Gun in its Styrofoam.
The first thing I noticed was that the magazine in the picture on the box is an AK74 magazine. However the magazine actually included with the gun is an AK 47 magazine.
I was slightly disappointed by this, but that faded quickly. The first thing I did upon removing the gun from the package was put the magazine in and shoulder it.
I was impressed with the weight. With empty mag & no battery it weighs in at 6.2 lbs. (2.6.8kg.) while the real steel (empty) weighs 6.6 lbs. (3.0kg). The length of the G&G is 33.88 inches (860mm.) while the real steel is 32.47 inches (824mm.)
I also noticed that the pistol grip felt narrower than that of a TM AK47 more like the real steel. Also, the grip has nice textured sides unlike the smooth sides of the TM AK47.
The grip is actually approximately 1mm wider (left to right) and 2mm thinner (front to back) than the TM. Moving on…
Next, I loaded the included 600 round high-cap magazine and attempted to remove the butt plate to insert a battery. It was then that I discovered the butt plate does not slide off as it does on a TM. There are 2 screws that must be removed before you can take off the butt plate.
I was a little disappointed by this, as it will make hanging batteries much more difficult during a game. However I use 3300 Mah Ni-MH batteries so it would be much less of an issue for me than those who use lower capacity Ni-cd batteries. The battery compartment is fairly spacious and it will fit a regular large 9.6v battery with out any trouble.
After installing the battery, winding, & inserting the magazine it was time to chrono*. The results were about what I expected. It chronoed at an average of 350 fps w/.20 BBs. The R.O.F. was 857 rpm using an 8.4 v 1800 Mah battery and an impressive 1,200 rmp using a 9.6 v 1800 Mah battery.
The hop-up is very easy to adjust. The adjustment tab is MUCH larger than that of the TM. This is good news for people (like me) with large hands/fingers who have a bit of trouble getting hold of the tiny little tab on the TM.
The hi-cap magazine fed flawlessly. In fact, I then loaded (& fired) a brand new TM magazine & the G&G mag fed better than the TM. While the TM magazine is compatible with the G&G, it requires slightly more pressure to fully lock into the mag-well.
Now that I was done shooting it was time to field strip.
1st I removed the upper receiver. Much to my surprise I saw a full length (stainless steel) guide rod and recoil spring as well as an aluminum bolt.
After removing the guide rod & spring I removed the bolt. I was again surprised, this time to see a gas piston on the front of the bolt.
Next…the handguards. With an upward flip of the handguard locking lever, a little wiggle and tug on the upper handguard and it was free. Next, I removed the cleaning rod, turned the lower handguard retainer lock to point forward, slide the retainer forward, and the lower handguard was now free.
Here it is field stripped.
There are no trades or other markings with the exception of 1 on the left side near the front of the lower receiver.
Overall:
This gun is very solid; has good accuracy, velocity, weight, and balance.
The fit and finish is quite nice, and field strips like the real steal.
Construction is full metal with the exception of the high quality plastic furniture. The bolt has a very satisfying sound when “racked”.
Steel parts include: Upper receiver, selector switch, trigger guard, magazine release, rear sight, rear sling mount, cleaning rod, upper handguard lock pin, lower handguard retainer, butt plate, and compensator/flash suppressor.
The packaging and manual are of the same quality as that of the UMG and other G&G guns.
I have not yet opened the gearbox, but if/when I do I’ll review the internals as well.
*Chrono results were achieved using KSC “perfect” .20 bb and a Gamma Shooting Chrony.
Here are some more pix for you enjoyment.
 ------------------------------ Long Live the M14 Brotherhood!
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ninja stalin
Registered: June 2005
Posts: 371
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Review Date: 10/1/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 8
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Pros:
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nice weight, looks good etc.
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nothing I have seen yet
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****RK104****
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When I opened the package, I found a very attractive box, inside I found the rk104,I picked it up, noting that it was very solid, I shouldered it, I noticed the matt stock. i cocked the gun, noticing a nice sound. I looked in the gun, and didnt see an ak47 mag. I saw this:
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I was surprised to say the least. I then looked at the cocking mechanism and noticed how far it moved back.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/blagwagrot/SouthamptonRomsey066.jpg
I then decided to fire the gun, I insererted my battery into the stock, I found the screws quite nice to have. My battery fit very nicely into the stock. I fired the gun, it was dark(couldnt see the bb)so I dont know much about accuracy, and i dont have a chronometer, I noted a lovely sound and a nice rof.
Over all this is a very nice gun and am glad I bought it.
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Marlowe
Teatotal totalitarian.
Registered: November 2004
Location: South Yorkshire
Posts: 305537
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Review Date: 20/1/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £180.00
| Rating: 8
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Pros:
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Superior design, packaging and engineering to stock Marui alternatives
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Cons:
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Extremely light plastic magazines
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As most who know me either in real life or on these forums can attest, I'm somewhat of a Russian gear fan. Admittedly I lack the sheer fanaticism of some members, but know what I like, and it sure as hell isn't something with a Western label on it.
For some time I've been using the RPK. An excellent weapon - when it works. It was built from a stock Marui AK47, upgraded and rebuilt with a Guarder Full Steel / Wood RPK kit. The result was an impressive, sturdy and somewhat unreliable piece of kit, which put me out of airsofting for several months last year when my baby broke down.
Cue news of the G&G 104! One of the second generation of mass-produced AKs, this was too good a chance to miss. So as soon as Guns N Guys (my main provider of everything airsoft) got one of these beauties in stock, I simply had to order.
First Impressions:
A week later, the rifle arrived, box inverted to avoid alarming curious custom officials.
And the initial impression? Very good. The box itself, as other reviews have shown, is well designed and quite glossy; definitely a marked difference from the plain Marui boxes to which I was accustomed. The documentation too was glossy and extremely high quality; the manual is similiar in design to that used by computer hardware manuals, and the overall result is a much more professional-looking appearance than that of a Marui counterpart. Little things like this can make all the difference at first.
But enough of that! You want to know about the rifle, yes? Well, despite the polycarbonate furniture the 104 has a nice solid feel to it and a convincing level of heftiness as you pick it up. As the image shows, the box had plenty of space for several other items I'd ordered. Look carefully and you'll see the Intellect 8.4v 3800mah battery ordered to power the beauty. You'll notice that the stock of the rifle dwarves it; more on that later.
One last note: the magazine. The initial review for this showed a 47 magazine. THIS IS NOT THE MAGAZINE PROVIDED WITH THE RETAIL EDITION. Instead you will find a 7.62x39 modern style magazine awaiting you, of which I ordered three more. The magazines were cheap, but in fairness I can see why. Very little of the magazine is metal (the base plate seems to be the only external element in fact), and while this looks fine and the magazines feel sturdy enough, there are some reports of the magazine lip breaking off mid game. I can't confirm this, but the lids to the magazines do feel somewhat flimy compared to the metal marui high caps I am accustomed to.
After having a bit more of a play:
The rifle still feels just as sturdy. There's no hint of the screws going for a wander as the Marui AK47 screws do - although the first time it goes to the field, I'll certainly be taking some loctite with me just in case.
A note for the fans of the real steel: unfortunately this version is by no means as accurate as the much more expensive Guarder offering. The stock (I presume for practicality) is fixed, and does not fold, and there is no side scope mount (as I was accustomed to). In case you're wondering, the taclight and mount are both G&P offerings - the 104 was originally aimed at being my main urban offering.
Now came the real test: loading up the battery and trying the thing out. I was particularly keen to do this as G&G gearboxes have not had a good press in the past.
Unlike the Marui AK47 or even my current Guarder RPK, inserting the battery in the stock was a breeze. There is ample amounts of space with none of the awkward, poorly conceived cross braces of the AK47 stock, and even a battery as large as a 3800 slid into the stock without a problem. Once in it was a simple matter to connect up the battery, and screw the butt plate back on. None of the brute force required for the Marui to get the battery in place.
Outside, the 104 performs admirably. The shots are straight and true, with no drift that I can notice. The magazine, despite some worrying reports is fine; comfortable to the grip, and not at all flimsy in the mag well.
Next step; chrono the rifle. And the results? Impressive...but worrying. with 0.2g bbs, the rifle achieved an amazing 358fps. This is a *slight* issue for me however. Taking the promise of a stock 330 gearbox for granted, I purchased this as my main FIBUA variant (a RPK with a drum mag being far from ideal). However, for the time being I will leave this alone, and attempt to get a second opinion after sleeping on these results, to ensure the chrono is still correctly configured, etc.
This has made me rethink the 104's main use. No longer will it be an urban variant I suspect; instead, I will use it as my main assault primary, replacing the RPK in this role. I like the 104 so much that I'm planning on obtaining a kobra and mount for it next month; that should speak volumes for how much I like it.
Conclusion:
So, what more can I say? Yes, it lacks the foldable stock of the Guarder kit (and the real steel variant), yes it has no scope mount and perhaps doesn't look quite as convincing. But this is a gun that I can attest from personal experience will be much more reliable than any Guarder AEG (sorry, but experience is a harsh tutor).
Who would I recommend it to? Anyone really. It's ideal for the total beginner to the AK fanatic (who's willing to forgive, as I was, a few incongruencies with the real steel variant). An added bonus forattempt to ad the embittered geardoes among us is that all of the ineducated (and tasteless) who attempt to mount a drum mag to the 104 will be very dissapointed; the two simply are not compatible.
Anyway, that's all for now. Look for my Hero Arms 'AK' Drum Magazine review, coming soon to a forum near you!  ------------------------------
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OverKiller93
Registered: October 2006
Location: Maine
Posts: 247
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Review Date: 18/11/07
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 9
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Pros:
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Solid construction, fake bolt is awesome, cocking handle makes nice sound, after repaired fires perfectly
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Cons:
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Bad bucking, came with wires disassembled, piece in lower foregrip broke off holding fake cleaning rod, screws strip easily
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Intro:
I had been looking at this rifle for a very long time and I followed and read every review I could find. It looked like a pretty solid AEG to me. The most interesting part I found was the fake bolt. It sounded so awesome, I just had to get it, so I did. I ordered it from Airsoft Extreme (AEX) and it arrived at my doorstep 11 days later (3 days for processing account and order, 1 day for packaging, and then 7 days for shipping). Finally it arrived at my doorstep in a huge box (it looked pretty huge to how big I thought the gun would be). Now onto the next section:
The Box:
The box came in a very, VERY nice box. It had a nice picture of the gun and all the other writings. Now for inside the box:
Inside, you get the gun (no way!) firmly held in by foam inserts. I wouldn't worry about this banging around. It also comes with the manual, which I have to say is EXTREMELY nice compared to other manuals like KA's or CA's, a small bag of yellow .2g BB's (im guessing about 250), a cleaning rod, and the G&G logo on a little piece of small paper. The gun comes with a vented orange muzzle cap, which kept the barrel nice and clean. Now onto the review! 
Stock to Muzzle:
Stock:
The stock is a nicely textured nylon fiber type stock. G&G did a nice job of getting rid of the seam lines as well, it looks very professional and nice. The stock can accomodate a large 9.6v so you will probably never have to worry about switching batteries during a skirmish. To get to the battery, you will need to unscrew two screws and the back metal cover just comes right off. Now, here was the first problem I had with the gun. I looked in and the wiring came unconnected! What? Near the front of the stock that attaches to the reciever, it connects to a set of plugs, well those plugs were unplugged! All I had to do was plug those back in and it was all set.
Pistol Grip:
The pistol grip feels nice when held and has a nice textred checker pattern. Very high quality and very comfortable to hold.
Trigger:
There is not much to say about it. Trigger and trigger guard is metal and its function is to fire the gun! (woah!)
Fire Selector:
The fire selector came loose, so I had to pry off the cap and tighten the screw. The lever goes from safe, automatic, and then semiautomatic firing modes. The selector is very nice and wears in the metal and makes a nice realistic scratch of paint down the reciever. It clicks positivly in place but it does wobble a little in auto and semi. As of now, I have lost the cover for the screw on the selector and need a new one.
Magazine:
I don't know why everyone says that the magazine is flimsy, cheap, and will break easily. The magazine is a little light, even when fully loaded, but I doubt it will break anytime soon. It is a 600 round high capacity magazine and to insert it, you just rock it in to the reciever. It does not make a very firm click, so I just give it a nice hit to make sure it's in there nice and snug. The magazine feeds nicely and it has a nice textured feel on the outside. Overall, very high quality.
Magazine Well:
The magazine well has a "U" shaped rubber piece to hold the magazine firmly so it does not wobble, which seemed to be a problem with other AK's. With it, the mag sits in nice and firm and provides good feeding. The other thing you will find in the magazine well is the G&G logo with it stamped "G&G Armament". Very high quality trades and I am glad that they aren't on the outside of the gun, as it would take away from the realism.
Cocking Handle (my favorite part):
The cocking handle is attached to the fake bolt, which travels through the rear sight block and into the top foregrip. It does not come back ALL the way, but it does come back a heck of a lot more than the CA ones. It returns with a huge THWACK! because of huge spring that pushes it. You can access the hop-up by pulling back the cocking handle.
Reciever:
The reciever is made out of a nice metal and is very stunning. It is not Inokatsu quality, but it is very nice and has very nice fake pins and bolts. It does not however have stamped markings of any kind; it's just a plain reciever. Don't worry though, the fake bolt system makes up for it completely!
Disassembling the Gun (Part 1):
This is the greatest part of the gun. To disassemble the top part of the reciever, first press the button near the stock. While pressing, you can lift up the top metal reciever cover. After doing this, you will see the bolt and the spring and guiding spring rod. Press in the button again as much as you can and lift it up, now release pressure and it should just slide right out. Now, switch the selector to automatic or semiautomatic and pull the bolt back. It will come back all the way and you can just lift it out of the gun. Behold, you have partially field stripped your AK! The silver part you see is the bolt, and it resembles the real thing, a first in AK airsoft!
Rear Sight and Sight Block:
The rear sights are a crude type "u" shape and can be adjusted for elevation by pressing the button on the sight and moving it up or down, raising or lowering the sight. It is full metal, so you don't need to worry about it breaking. Next is the foregrip disassembly lever:
Disassembling the Gun (Part 2):
To disassemble the rest of the gun, you need to flip the lever on the right side of the rear sight block below the iron sights up. Once you do this, get it at a 270 degree angle (impossible but you know what I mean ). Now lift the top foregrip up and it should come right off. Now to disassemble the lower foregrip, you need to take out the cleaning rod (mine broke off in the process of trying to get it out, so I don't know how to do it). Next, flip the little lever on the end of the bottom of the foregrip to a 90 degree angle. Now slide the metal piece towards the end of the barrel. Now just pull the bottom foregrip away from the reciever and it should come right off! Now you have fully stripped your RK104.
Barrel:
The barrel is a huge chunk of metal and is very, very sturdy. Inside, it has a 6.04 barrel I believe. I can't remember, but it is very nice and gives great accuracy.
Front Sight Block:
The front sight block is all one chunk of metal and is slapped right on the barrel. The front sight looks like this:
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You can ajust it with the tool provided in the box for elevation. If you aren't familiar with AK's, your probably asking yourself, "How do you adjust for windage?". The answer is: you can't. Real AK's were adjusted for windage during manufacturing and you can't on the real one, so you can't on the airsoft version either.
Muzzle Brake:
The muzzle brake is also a thick chunk of metal and on mine, it came with small orange paint on the tip (I live in the U.S.). I have not found a way to remove it, but I won't be planning on it anyway.
Now... the firing report!
Firing:
I loaded up my mag with about 600 BB's, wound it, set my selector to semi, inserted the mag into the magwell, pulled the cocking handle, and.....
It fires! It made a nice sound and it has a very high ROF with an 8.4v. I didn't measure exact speed, but it was pretty nice. The BB's were flying out, too, but I don't have a chrono, so I couldn't measure the FPS either 
Now, to adjust the hop, and....
Nothing? No BB's coming out? I pull the trigger furiously and still nothing. All I hear is a weird sound. The gearbox is cycling, but it won't fire any BB's. I decide to take out the mag and look into the hop. What do you know, there's a BB stuck in there. I go to disassemble it to get the BB out and reassemble it. I then fire again: jam. Now I don't know what is wrong, so I try the MAG AK74 mags I ordered (those are an EXTREMELY tight fit by the way, I don't recommend them). I pop that one in, fire: fail. I just decide to get rid of the mags all together and just keep the G&G. I did this about 6 more times of disassembling and reassembling and it still kept jamming.
Later that I day I come onto Arnie's for some good airsoft advise. With the help of some good fellow's (I can't remember their names, but they were pretty nice and helped me a lot, and if you are reading this, thanks!), I was able to deduce it was the bucking and it was sent in for a repair at AEX.
6 weeks later, I get my baby back! I load the mag, fire, and I go through the whole mag. I am a very happy person!
Skrimish Report:
The last skirmish I went to about two weeks ago, I brought the RK104. It was worked excellently. I got mud, water, dirt, everything you can think off all over it, and it still worked. It was a great gun, the battery lasted all day, and I shot some poor fellows that proceeded to scream in pain. Very satisfying!
Conclusion:
Overall, I love my G&G RK104. It did not have much potential before it was repaired, but now I have full confidence and will be using it for a long time. With full metal construction and a monster gearbox, it is a rifle waiting to kick some arse!------------------------------ 
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