orca
The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla
Registered: September 2004
Location: Behind the Orange Kurtain, So. Kalifornia.
Posts: 1,263
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Review Date: 29/1/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £125.00
| Rating: 9
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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Compact Size, Integrated Red dot Scope
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Cons:
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Red dot is not goggle friendly
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Tokyo Marui - FN P90
Manufacturer: Tokyo Marui (Japan)
Type: AEG (Automatic Electric Gun)
This was the first AEG I purchased back in 2001. I have kept everything stock on it and with proper cleaning it has worked as well as when i first purcahsed it. I have only added an AS P90 Silencer and East P90 Sling.
The details on this AEG are great. There are fake bullets in the low cap magazine that resemble the real version with a loaded magazine.
It includes an integrated red dot scope. The way that the reddot is mounted does have some limitations if you wear goggles or a full face mask. The reddot has only 2 brightness settings, but is viewablw in full daylight.
It has a good rate of fire due to the EG1000 motor. The firing selctor switch works well and you can easily swith from safe, semi auto to full auto .
A pic of my P90
The full metal silencer really works and "FN Project 90" is etched into the side. The East sling is simple, works well and very affordable.
The P90 is and odd looking rig compared to a traditional smg, but it fits the bill in being smaller then a collapsed MP5, but having a longer barrel for accuracy and a shoulder stock that is always at the ready.
Chrono Results
AEG
.20 BB's
Min: 280.72
Max: 283.75
Avg: 282.56
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Putting my money where my mouth is...
OMFG The A.I.C.S. is NOT an L96, AWP or AWM!!!
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Phantom
Registered: January 2005
Location: Manila
Posts: 44
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Review Date: 4/8/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: None indicated
| Rating: 10
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PROS:
compact bullpup size, V6 gearbox, snag-free design, minimal profile height, well balanced, highly upgradeable with minimal effort, uncanny accuracy out of the box, spring fed hicap magazines, popularised by the TV show Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis, you can tie two mags together with shoe lace and use it as a nunchuck
CONS:
Military model is no longer produced, limited battery options (unless you want to attach a external batt), slow magazine change, jamming mags, huge mags, no REALISTIC box mag options, too small for tall people, cannot "Gucci" up the gun
OWNERSHIP: 2yrs coming on Sept 2006
PRICE PAID: $750NZ, used
To start this off, I would like to state this early on that this is the first ever AEG I have ever owned (I used to own a Maruzen Steyr AUG gas gun back in the good old dayz) after a year's consideration (was using a TM XM177 springer till then) over other guns I was offered at the time ... mainly against M16s/M4s, AKs, G36s and MP5s ... in fact, my GF and I like this gun sooooo much for its compactness, low weight and versatility (she too has tried using other gun types), that I currently "own" 2x TM P90s, a TM Reddot/Military and a TM Tri Rail (His and Hers P90 :D)
This would be a rather different and lengthy "review" than normal as I would rather give the reasons as to why I have written down these PROS and CONS, in my opinion, about this product (and since this is my first review, I find it easier to "explain" myself instead) and the fact that the review above has given a good, basic review of the TM P90 already
PROS:
-Bullpup design: as I am a rather short person (150-155cm) so I try to emphasise function over beauty in any gun choice I make (but then again, I find the P90 oh so sexy anyways!!) and I know from my previous experience of owning an AUG, you can get maximum accuracy and shooting distance with a bullpup due to a longer internal barrel. Hence the TM P90's bullpup configuration lends it to have internal barrel longer than a TM MP5 and just a tad shorter than a TM M4 with the overall length of the whole gun to be as long as a folded, sliding stock TM MP5. This equates to a good all-environment main weapon gun (outdoors or CQB).
-Version 6 gearbox: as far as I have been told, this type of gearbox is the most sturdiest stock mechbox design of all time along side the Version 3 gearbox (TM Steyr AUG, TM AK47 and TM G36C) and will not break nor crack easily over time. I have also been told that these standard boxes (V6 and V3) are the equivalent of reinforced, aftermarket Version 2 (TM M16/M4 and TM MP5) mechboxes.
-Snag-free design: as the real-steel P90 was designed to compete against the H&K MP7 for PDW (Personal Defense Weapon) honours, it was designed to be as compact as possible with the provision that there will be no protruding elements off the gun to hinder the fast deployment of a soldier in confined spaces (spaces like a tank, medic truck, car, van, helicopters, etc)
-Minimal Profile Height: this is the MAJOR selling point for me as my playing style sees me sneaking around, crawling and firing on my tummy most of the time. With the minimal height, as compared to "typical" gun with a conventional magazine placement (under the gun, pointing straight down) like the AK47 or M4, I can hug the ground closer and lessen my head and body exposure to the enemy.
-Well Balanced: the bullpup design lends well to this trait as the mechbox is positioned just behind the shooter's wrist hence most of the gun's weight is carried by the arms and not by the wrist. In saying so, the P90 can be fired unsupported with one hand, with minimal effort.
-Highly Upgradeable: this is due to the sturdier mechbox design (as compared to the V2 mechs), quick take-down upper receiver (easy to clean/replace the barrel) and excelent airseal. I say this from my experience that I have never had any problem or breakages with my P90 (2yrs ownership coming Sept 06), thats considering everything internal is still stock (gears, plastic bushings, piston) but I have managed to get it shooting at 387fps (0.20g BBs, hopup off, PDI150% spring).
-Accuracy: for some reason, its got better accuracy than a TM M4 and about the same range
-Spring Fed Hicaps: this is the best attribute of this gun, as other gun types of traditional design (M4s, MP5s, AUG, G36, AK47, etc) have gravity feed magazines. Although, technically, all hicaps are not really "gravity feed", due to a non-P90 hicap's storage designs, when the mag is on its side or inverted, the mag will fully unwind once the BBs inside the pick-up wheel is fully dispensed. With spring fed magazines, the gun can fire in any orientation whether its inverted, on its side or shooting vertically (up or down).
CONS:
-End of Production: unfotunately, Marui has stopped the production of the Military/Reddot version of the P90 (end of 2004 or earlier I think) due to someone apparently breaking the production mould of the Military's upper receiver (?) so they are now considered collector's items (unless you buy an aftermarket metal upper receiver and use a real steel Military scope!!) ... but the TM P90 Tri Rail is still in current production and would be more suitable for most players as you can install your chosen scope/reddot instead.
-Limited Battery Options: due to its compact nature, its got limited internal space to house any sort of battery (also limiting its FPS upgrade potential). battery solutions are as follows ... 8.6v 600mah Mini battery = only good for stock springs ... 9.6v 1500/1700mah J-Type batteries (with mods to the insides of the lower receiver) = up to PDI150%/M110 springs ... 11.1v (3 cells) LiPo (Lithium Polymer) batteries = PDI170%/M120 and above springs
-Slow Mag Change: thats pretty obvious as you have foot long magazine to change ... but with practice, this can be improved upon
-Jamming Mags: this is the inherent fault with a spring fed hicap magazine where the BBs are being forced the wrong way down the BB pick-up wheel. A simple cure for this is to either lube up the mag internals (as I have always been told) or my personal fav, just place a form of barrier on the opposing side of the pick-up wheel where you dont want the BBs to go into.
-Huge Mags: can be a problem to locate mag pouches or vests to fit them. There are a few leg rigs on the market for them (dedcated P90 pouches or modified AK47 rigs) but as a whole, you're limited on choice.
-No Boxmags: as the gun is fed from the top of the receiver, there is no real steel box mags. There is an airsoft alternative but it detracts the image of the P90 so much, I would'nt touch it with a barge pole nor wish it upon any of my enemies!!
-Too Small: as I'm a short person, I find the gun to be a perfect fit for myself. In saying this, I believe is up to a person's personal preference as I have a teammate who is 190cm and doesn't have a problem using his gun.
-"Gucci"-ing: this is a term that was coined by one of our regular members which mean "to accesorise a gun to a point that it looks pretty and not like a gun anymore". An example of this is your typical M4 rifle which has over one billion accessories and add-ons to itself which not required for the gun to function as a gun. To quote one of the best lines in the TV show Stargate SG-1 in regards to the P90 ... "This (holds up an Alien weapon) is a Weapon of Terror. Its designed to intimidate your enemies. This (holds up a P90) is a Weapon of War. Its desinged to kill your enemies."
**EDIT ... UPDATE**: (Nov. 6, 2006) ... New developments have arisen and have come to my notice regarding P90 mags ... never load-up your HiCap mags the night before a game, always load-up just before game time. I'm saying this as I and my GF have both experienced (at the same time!!) the HiCap mags completely unwinding its clockwork even when 90% full!! I can only assume that the follower spring has weakened and unable to push and feed the BBs into the pick-up wheel. One way to combat this is to rest your follower spring in-between game days by unsliding the buttplate and just let the spring hang out the open end.
**EDIT... UPDATE**: (Jan. 28, 2007) ... as everyone have known by now (just a bit slow on my updates recently, sorry) TM has re-released the TM P90 Military (ie: Red Dot version) so now you again have a choice of either Mil or Tri-Rail.
PROS:
Tri-Rail version comes with a SOCOM-esq silencer (has a different thread on it than your normal Mk23 SOCOM silencer you can buy separately)and you can choose your optic
Mil. has built-in reddot which makes the gun look asthetically correct and minimalist
CONS:
Tri-Rail may look "gimpy" with some scope types and having the lower body painted in grey-olive drab colors of the real steel civilian version
Mil. will have a 20mm optic view finder (which most people will say is F**KING small ... but I say that Red Dot scopes, real or not, are to be used properly with BOTH eyes open anyways ... so get used to it, and hard to replace (only source is Japan itself & costs about 25%-50% of the gun's value!!!) if it gets shot out!!!!
**EDIT... UPDATE**: (Mar. 6, 2007) ...
girliez like P90s better than M249s hehehehe
**EDIT... UPDATE**: (June 24, 2007)
I have sold my old P90s and have replaced them with 2x RD P90s :D hehehehe thats all :D
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FireKnife
I always carry Condition One.
Registered: October 2006
Location: Just Google Map me.
Posts: 5,184
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Review Date: 6/4/08
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £100.00
| Rating: 9
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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Compact (504mm), Box Like Shape, 300rd Hi-caps, Accurate, High ROF.
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Cons:
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Hi-caps Unwinding, Slight Creaks, Large Mags.
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I have owned both the Tri-Rail and the Military of these guns, with both sharing the same pros and cons then this can go for both.
Firstly mine has recieved a SP90 Spring and a Madbull Python Tightbore and even in woodland i can get perfect range and accuracy.
The hi-caps (since i don't use lo's) are very fiddly to use, but when used properly can get 90-95% out in just one wind and since they are srping fed they are often very silent.
The red-dot, while basic, provides the perfect sighting that i require and it requires getting used to but with practice is perfect (the TR offers a wider range of sighting but the RD is good for its purpose).
In regards to battery power i use a Mini 1400mah VapaRex Battery and in most cases it can last me a whole day but with a second one i could just about do a weekend.
The P90 is ideal for those fed up with the M4 / MP5 CQB's out there and gives a reliable and accurate gun at both woodland and urban and its length is roughly the same as a MP5A5 with the stock retracted, giving an ideal gun for close fights.
'FireKnife'
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49 Pistols owned and still counting in five years of airsoft. Hopefully more to come soon.
They are (best at the top working down): 2x TM Night Warrior Custom, TM Foliage Warrior, 4x TM 1911A1, 2x TM MEU, 3x TM Detonics, 3x TM P226, 3x KSC USPc, 3x TM M9, TM Glock 17,TM 5.1 Hi-Capa, 2x TK VP70M, 2x KSC USP .45, KWA USPCT, KSC SP2340, Maruzen PPK/s, Maruzen P99, KSC M8000, HFC M190, Army Detonics, KJ P14-.45, KJ Ruger Mk.1, 3x KSC Glock 18c, 2x KSC Glock 26, HFC Desert Eagle, KJ M9 Vertec ABS, ACM Beretta 1934, Marushin PPK SAS, Unknown M93R, WE 3.8 1911, 2x KWC Colt Python.
Wanted: Suppressor, around 100-150mm x 25mm, CW threaded and around or under a £10 all in, preferably black, can offer MP5 mags or a pistol mag pouch in trade. If you have one then PM me.
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Ranger_Captain
Pissin' people off one post at a time
Registered: July 2005
Location: West Point, New York
Posts: 1,229
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Review Date: 2/3/09
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £152.00
| Rating: 8
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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Short Easy to hold Light Compact Built in Red Dot Fairly Durable
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Short Range Low Accuracy Weak plastics used in upper Issues with highcaps
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Tokyo Marui P90 Red Dot
Introduction
As far as space aged, future, dare I say goofy looking weapons go, the P90’s got the market cornered. And yet for all it’s worth this PDW has serious divided sentiments in many airsofters and gun users. It’s loved by some, hated by others, but still one of the more mass produced airsoft guns outside of the Armalite and AK series weapons.
Real Steel History
*Taken from Modern Firearms a.k.a. world.guns.ru
“The FN P90 submachine gun (SMG) was developed in the late 1980s as a personal defense weapon for the troops whose primary activities does not include small arms, such as vehicle and tank crew members, artillery crews etc. Standard pistols and submachine guns chambered for pistol rounds were proved ineffective against enemy soldiers, wearing body armor; Therefore FN designers first developed a new round with enhanced penetration, initially known as SS90. To achieve necessary high penetration while keeping recoil impulse low, FN used a small-bore approach, creating a round that looked much like the scaled down 5,56NATO round. It must be noted that similar concepts were tried in other countries, most notably in USA, several decades before FN; for example, US Army tested M1 carbines chambered for .221 Johnson Spitfire round back in late 1950s; later on, Colt produced its .22 SCAMP and 5,6x30 MARS ammunition for special SCAMP machine pistol and MARS "mini assault rifle" (a scaled-down M16 rifle) respectively. It must be noted that 5,6x30 MARS round was in a sense a direct predecessor to 5,7x28 FN SS90 round, although the latter featured slightly lighter and faster bullet. By late 1980s a concept of a small-bore, low-impulse "personal defense weapon" (PDW) with good accuracy and lethality at ranges of up to 200-250 meters was well established, although there were no weapons adopted for service yet. FN decided to follow this concept and to create its own PDW using clean sheet approach. Basic ideas used for this development, designated as "Project 9.0", included the following: minimal size and weight of weapon; large magazine capacity; complete ambidexterity; ease of use and maintenance."
To save on size and weight, FN designers put new weapon into compact and lightweight stock of bullpup layout, made of impact-resistant polymer. The high-capacity magazine also was made from semi-translucent polymer, and holds 50 rounds in two rows. To made loaded weapon as compact as possible, FN designers followed the idea of American designer Hall, and placed the magazine above the barrels, with cartridges stored in horizontal position with bullets pointing to the left. While Hall system employed a rotary feed unit, operated by the bolt, to put new cartridge in line with the barrel, FN designers incorporated a stationary helical ramp into each magazine, which rotates cartridge for 90 degrees prior to placing it into feed lips. Complete ambidexterity was achieved by using ambidextrous controls (including dual charging handles and dual back-up open sights), and bottom ejection. Finally, simplicity of aiming was achieved by use of integral reflex type collimating sight and integral laser aiming module (LAM).
Resulting weapon appeared in around 1990 as FN P90 personal defense weapon, along with improved 5,7x28 SS190 ammunition, which replaced polymer-cored bullets with heavier dual-core (steel / aluminum) bullets with better penetration against body armor. Several other types of ammunition were developed for this weapon, including tracer, subsonic ball and soft-core training ball.”
I got an opportunity to fire on of these a few years ago and I can say it was an absolute pleasure. Very little recoil (if not a bit loud) and is very accurate. The integral sight (it is not a red dot) is a bit strange to use but the irons are actually pretty easy to use. As far as damage is concerned I shot an old PSGT flack vest with it and it gutted it side to side (although I believe a 9mm would do the same) to that piece of junk) but be that as it may I feel that the real gun is defiantly something worth looking at. But then on to the toy.
First Impressions
I got this a few years ago as a Christmas present (an unexpected on at that) and first impressions were a wow escaping my lips. I embarrassingly admit that I’m a huge Stargate SG-1 fan and the P90… well it’s a P90. I’d wanted one for awhile and I was pleasantly surprised when I got it.
Picking it up it was even better. I had not yet held the real version but it “felt” realistic. Solid plastic construction as always found on Tokyo Marui guns and the integral red dot was just something I found cool the first time I got to hold it.
The box it came in itself is quite a piece of work. A foam cutout covered by felt or some kind of cloth with little pictures and other items, classic to Tokyo Marui presentation, makes this gun new in the box a pleasant and professional sight to behold.
I’ve owned two of these airsoft guns over the years and I can say they’re a great break from the norm for many reasons. For one the ergonomics make this a unique shoot every time. Second, I can’t even think of CQB without a P90 in the picture, and finally they get a stare from whoever sees them, even now with many new P90’s on the field.
Appearance
Well how’s it look? Well pretty damn good. Having seen a P90 in person I can say the Marui is, as usual for Tokyo Marui, very loyal to the original. Since this is of the RD version I think it falls into the more “classic” P90 look (Stargate-esq) and to be honest this is another time where I feel you could lay this one down next to a real steel and be hard pressed to spot many differences.
The faux screw heads on the left side of the body are a nice touch as is the ejection port on the underside. Similarly the fake bullets in the standard type magazine with a round already mid turn into the gun adds a great realism effect.
The plastics used on the upper receiver have a nice dark matt look to it which gives the appearance of true gun metal and I remember expecting to feel cold steel the first time I touched the Marui P90.
Look Grade: 10/10
I’d say overall the look of this gun is a perfect copy of the real steel and side by side one is hard pressed to find any differences (really just inspecting the ejection port, beneath the cocking levers, and the feed tube under the magazine.)
Feel/Aesthetic
Picking this little sucker up I can only say wow once again. I don’t know what it is about Marui plastics but they just are the best. I’m not exactly sure on the thickness but I can tell you from the feel of the P90’s body it should be well thick enough to take a decent beating, much more than a responsible player should ever dish out.
The lower receiver’s plastic is textured and offers just enough roughness to feel like your hand won’t slip yet its smooth enough to still feel great.
On the upper receiver the plastic is very smooth but I will note it doesn’t have the same “feel” that the lower receiver’s plastic has. Shortly put it feels a little more brittle, especially the leading edges where the rear site slits are. I’ve read numerous times that this slits can snap off and while this didn’t happen to either of mine I can certainly see and feel that enough pressure will surely snap them off.
As far as I can tell the only external metal parts are the flashider and what little “outer barrel” there is and the Red Dot device itself. Other than that this gun’s plastic, which really isn’t that much of a problem.
Moving on the little eye candy pieces, trades are fairly limited on this gun, which if I remember right is true for the real steel as well. On the left side of the upper receiver it reads:
P90 cal 5.7 x 28
And bellow that to the left there’s a non-unique serial number:
FND62399
The selector’s marked with a white S for safe, red 1 for semi, and a red A for auto. On the P90 both real and here, when set to Auto the gun can still fire on semi as the trigger is “staged.” Half pull for semi, full pull for auto.
Now of all the little aesthetics the most important on this P90 is the integrated red dot. I’ve read from some that this is more of a nuisance than a blessing but I personally love it.
Once it’s been sighted in (I only ranged it out to about fifty feet) it’s pretty much dead accurate and pretty useful. I found it to work fine in a both-eyes-open firing method,
On the underside of the upper frame the switch that controls the red dot’s brightness is easily accessible. To me this is somewhat no use, I’ve never used the lighter of the two settings, as I find it to be too dull to really see even at night. I suppose some might find this useful and something worth having but for me it’s just another feature.
As far as sighting in the red dot you make use a two part tool system, a hex wrench and a weird plastic key that both come with the gun. It didn’t take much time to sight it in and thus far (and I use my P90 a lot) I haven’t found my sighting to come lose yet.
On the topic of sights, as mentioned there is a type of “iron sight” present. Located on the top of the frame there’s a “sight” on each side of the red dot consisting of an open rear sight and a “post” in front. Surprisingly I tend to use these more than the red dot for reaction shots, choosing to use the red dot for more accurate, careful shots.
Looking over the gun one may notice a key thing, despite having a working cocking level, there is no visible way to adjust the hop up. There are in fact two ways to adjust the hop up. One is by using a little door located on the underside of the lower receiver.
The other method to adjust the hop up brings me to a nice feature of the TM P90; realistic field stripping.
After removing the magazine, one sees a small button on the “tray.” Press it and carefully pull the upper receiver away from the lower receiver.
The end of the barrel and hop up unit is not accessible. Also if you wish you can further disassemble the forward internals (replace the barrel or frame and such).
Moving to the rear of the weapon, the battery compartment is accessible by pressing down on the butt cap and sliding it down.
You can also adjust the motor placement from here although I’ve really never had to do this (it is still a stock gun though, not including a tightbore). On the topic of batteries, I’ve found this to be one of my few issues with this gun. Very few batteries fit in this gun, and most are only 8.4v’s and usually a low milliampaged. Thus if you plan on using this gun for a long match or a multiple day match I suggest both a backup battery (or two) and at least a decent sidearm, as speaking from experience, these types of batteries give little warning when they’re about to die.
Feel Grade: 7/10 (Cheaper and more delicate feeling plastics used on the upper)
Aesthetics: 8/10 (Small battery compartment limits use a tad)
Shooting
I love shooting this little thing. I’ve read of complaints due to loudness but personally I’ve never had this issue (I’m used to shooting real weapons that are quite a bit louder).
Starting off, let’s discuss the magazines. TM P90 mags, high caps that is, are a bit famous for reliability issues. While the lowcaps look and feed perfectly fine, even I’ve had issues with high caps over the years. In short, because of the horizontal design of the magazines, there’s a spring mounted press the pushes the bb’s into the feed mechanism. As such sometimes bb’s jam or get caught well enough that none feed into the system and you need to fix the feed problem.
I’ve found the quickest solution is to shake the gun pretty hard, once, up and down, kinda in the way you would cock a pump action shot gun with one hand.
Anyway as far as shooting goes this is a cqb dream. Personally I find it incredibly comfortable to grip and you more or less point your body at the target and it should hit square in the chest.
Range wise I would grade it as medium low. About 100 feet, 110 feet absolute max (I haven’t used my laser range finder yet but I’m 90% sure that 100 feet is about what you’ll get for max effective). As far as actually hitting a target consistently I’d say about 80 feet max. Preferred engagement range shouldn’t exceed 50 feet making this ideal for CQB.
ROF is decent, more than enough that a good pull should send out enough plastic to hit a target. Similarly the FPS is high enough that your target, at close-medium range will feel it but still low enough to absolutely allow CQB play (about 290 FPS w/ .20’s).
Baseline comfort is, like I said, great for me. There’s multiple ways to shoot this weapon, some normal, some strange.
There’s the open forward grip, which is how I naturally grab the P90, with the forward hand just cradling the weapon and your shooting hand actually doing the moving.
Then there’s the “forward grip” hold which I don’t like as much but it does allow for a more secure grip.
Then, for kicks, there’s the later SG-1 season two hand hold with your “forward” hand gripping the butt plate.
Shooting Grade
Accuracy Grade: 6/10 Accurate enough at short range but loses out past 80-90 feet
Range Grade: 7/10 Low range, but it IS a PTW
Power Grade: 8/10 Right where you’d want a PTW to be
Use Grade: 10/10 It’s the perfect CQB gun, huge magazine, great ergonomics
Conclusion
Overall Grade: 8/10 Loses out for magazine issues and okay plastics used in upper receiver.
Pros:
Short
Easy to hold
Light
Compact
Built in Red Dot
Fairly Durable
Cons:
Short Range
Low Accuracy
Weak plastics used in upper
Issues with highcaps
This loved or hated gun still stirs up heavy feelings in those that encounter it but with more and more replica companies making versions it seems that this PTW will soon become one of the more mainstream weapons in airsoft.
And overall, from my experience I can see why this gun is becoming more popular. More and more players are flocking to more CQB, indoor type events, MOUT sites are on the rise, and few weapons so perfectly mold themselves to CQB type fights. Thus I would say that if one is looking for a no holds, great stock type weapons for CQB fighting, go for a TM P90.
Credits:
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm
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Never argue with a gun, it may argue back...
United States Corps of Cadets, USMA
Cadet, United States Army
2012 "For More Than Ourselves"
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Registered: September 2004
Location: Behind the Orange Kurtain, So. Kalifornia.