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orca
The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla
Registered: September 2004
Location: Behind the Orange Kurtain, So. Kalifornia.
Posts: 1141
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Review Date: 23/2/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £85.00
| Rating: 6
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Metal Slide, Metal Outer Barrel
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Lack of Trades, A bit pricey...
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KWA USP Full Size
The KWA USP Full Size comes standard from AEX with a metal slide. No trademarks though, so you could be holding a replica of any caliber (.45, .40S&W or 9mm) of full size USP. (Solution for trades below)
KWA USP Full Size with real steel M3 mount adapter and G&P M3 light
The KWA USP is a much more well built replica then the KJW USP. From external appearence to internal mechanics the KWA is a rock solid USP replica. It's DA/SA, with working safety and decocker. Unlike the KJW, the Double Action is smooth and even all the way through the trigger pull. All actions are smooth and field stripping is very straight forward. Standard HK USP style 3 dot site are installed.
KWA USP Full Size rail adapter and HK USP bag made by BHI
Performance is great! KWA has developed a very nice product. Maybe due to the length of time they've had the USP compact out in the market, the full size USP does not disappoint. Takes Green Gas no problem. From what i've heard (it's hard to confirm w/o the KSC variant too) that all the internals are stock the only upgrades are the Metal Slide and Metal Outer barrel.
KWA USP Compact with laser etched trademarks
A solution to the trademarks for me is done by using the laser etching equipment at my shop. I hope I can do something on the full sized USP soon. Stay Tuned.
Update 03-10-06 - Laser Etched Trades in Slide:
KWA USP .45 with laser etched trades
KWA USP .45 with laser etched trades
Chrono Results (FPS)
Temp: 60°
Green Gas
.20 BB's
Min: 284.44
Max: 298.31
Avg: 294.65
Update 2007
A few months back the gun started double feeding bb's regularly. I've added upgraded recoil and hammer springs, new magazines and overhauled the piston internals. Nothing solved this problem so far. I'm downgrading my rating on this product due to these problems. |
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Anachronism327
Registered: May 2006
Location: Kailua, Hawaii
Posts: 774
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Review Date: 24/6/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 9
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Nice blowback, sturdy, can readily take Green Gas (propane)
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No trademarks.
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Alright, so here's another review for the KWA USP Full size. There isn't too many reviews of this gun out there, so I'm deciding to help the masses. After reading the previous review, there's some things that I'd like to add.
First, this weapons is built to mimic the USP .45. How can you tell? Well, the one thing that gives it away is the magazine. If you look at the holes, on the back side of it, it has 12 to represent the 12 rounds on the real steel USP 45 (on the real steel 45, the holes are hollow and allow the shooter to see how many rounds he has left).
This gun is solid, if you want to be specific, when shaking the gun, two things inside of it rattle: the outer barrel and magazine. No biggie, all guns have those things plus more rattle.
The gun is Double action, meaning pulling the slide back is the only way to fire the gun (sorry to the 45 users). A neat feature is the decocking lever (also the safety lever) on the left side of the gun. This gun decocks the hammer so that it can be carried "safely loaded" though one will have to pull the trigger farther and with more force to get the first round off. After that, the gun responds to lighter trigger pulls. Unfortunately, I'm a southpaw shooter, and this gun only has the safety on the left side, so I had to develop my own way of decocking and putting on and off the saftey.
The USP's blowback is about the same as a Glock. It is crisp and nice, but not too heavy. it takes Green Gas (propane) readily and the slide is metal, so it can take it. The magazine can hold a maximum of 26 rounds, but the magazine will not load into the gun. The magic number that I put in is 24 rounds. The magazine holds enough gas for about 60 rounds. I live in Hawaii, so the temperature doesn't really fluxuate, so I'm not too sure how it would handle in different temperatures and climate.
Overall, I am very happy with this gun. If I had to take a sidearm to forever use in skirmishes, the USP would be my choice.
Edit: I've put this gun through my testing firing about 1000+ rounds through this gun. There is however, only one problem that I have encountered. Here and there (about 5% of the time), a bb might get jammmed or pop out of the gun when the USP cycles and the slide moves back. In the case of the former, no problem, just take out the mag, let the bb fall out, then put the mag back it. For the latter, nothing is really wrong... I'll try up date on the pistol more...
Edit: Nov. 11th, 2006
Well, there's more, the magazine, if not properly lubed, the seal on the bottom will leak. Also, I have heard problems about bbs not firing, then sliding out of the barrel. Turns out, you need to lube the back part of the gun, if you fail to, you'll have this problem. So far, this gun is still worth its money. |
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canizzle
Registered: May 2006
Posts: 428
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Review Date: 9/10/06
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 10
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Full Metal slide, barrel, 300 fps, Green gas and conservative 50+ shots in one mag fill , realistic
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Orange, no trades, barely aftermarkets
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Just read my positives and negatives. Gun reccomended!!!
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Pinkfloyd
Registered: April 2007
Posts: 1613
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Review Date: 11/11/07
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £135.00
| Rating: 8
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Pros:
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Nice heft, good cycle rate, low cost, easy on the gas.
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accuracy is... poor, front sight is not held in with anything, slide very slicky and needs wearing in, bad gas efficiency in the cold
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Well, after fiddling around with the KSC version of this gun and deciding that the USP is really the style I like, I decided that I'd like to get a KWA so I could actually skirmish with it, versus my custom made USP Tactical, which is sitting in a glass display case, all pristine without a spec of dirt on it.
As such, I purchased the KWA USP, in black, with 3 extra mags (hey, I skirmish with pistols as primaries almost as often as I do with a rifle as my primary), a bunch of lube, a spare propain adapter and some BB's from Airsoft Atlanta, my prefered East Coast distributer.
The gun arived in tact, no dents or anything on the box, everythign hunky dory... BORING.
I would tell you about me opening the gun up but then again you all have probably had that feeling where you just fall in love with a gun and you realize that the money you spent on this thing was well worth it. You get the idea... moving onto the gun...
Gun is about 800 grams unloaded, evenly balanced, trigger pull is very light when the gun is cocked, gun has a functioning decocker/safety, mag release is ambi for left handed use. Although mags are rated for 26 rounds, load 25, as the extra round making 26 will sometimes make the gun jam. Sights are low profile standard pistol sights with little white circles painted in (i changed those to red for improved contrast as soon as I got the gun though). The paint was fairly even, although I have since removed the paint on the slide in favor of a polished two-tone slide (do not attempt, very difficult to remove the blow back unit, and if you don't you can ruin the internals. Better to bite the bullet and get a new slide). The orange tip is aweful, but impossible to remove without sanding it as it seems to be made of some kind of rubery paint.
Plastic on the gun is excellent; really great finish, matte, no shine on it at all.
Front sight is not held in with anything but glue. No screw or anything. Really makes me mad, as I had to use black paint to hold it in. Nothign else wants to stick to the slide. Not even super glue.
Shooting gives about 300 FPS cosistantly, accuracy is sub par but cycle rate is very good. The stock recoil spring seems decent enough but I needed to replace the spring with a 150% because sanding my slide made the slide not want to cycle as smoothly. Kick is good, not enough to throw off your aim but it gives the gun a great feel.
Now that it's starting to get colder outside, I've been skirmishing a bit more, but the KWA USP gets horrid gas efficiency in the cold. 40 degree tempereatures (dunno what that is for you Centegrade nuts. You'll just have to convert back to Fahrenheit like all sane people  ) yeild only 1.5 mags, if that. Still, if you really aim, you can get really accurate shots off, and the hopup, while needing a tool, is still really consistant, and if you have extra mags like me, the decreased gas efficiency isnt a problem.
All in all, an excellent gun, easy to use, cheap, relyable, and very stylish, especially compared to the Glock, 1911, and M9 crowd.
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Ranger_Captain
Pissin' people off one post at a time
Registered: July 2005
Location: West Point, New York
Posts: 1212
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Review Date: 19/6/08
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 9
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Pros:
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Metal Slide Heavy Weight Realistic Feel Great Grips Great Power Very Crisp Blow Back Action Easy Controls
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Medium Quality Metals used No Trades Heavy Weight (can be a bit annoying for some) Cheap Paint Used/Too Shinny on slide
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KWA USP .45 Full Sized
Introduction
Love ‘em or hate ‘em, you can’t go very far without running into an H&K product. While it is a debated subject, most people realize that many of H&K’s guns are a little bit more hype than product and yet there is one line from H&K that time and time again lives up to the self-proclaimed, Heckler & Koch name: the USP.
The Universal Self-Load Pistol is a favorite of mine and of many others, including prominent security and military organizations. I’ve owned both the realsteel and the airsoft version of the USP .45 ACP Full Sized Basic Edition for about two and half years at this point (both being bought within a month of each other) and of every pistol I’ve ever carried and shot, in both airsoft and real steel, I’ve found the USP to be on the top of my list.
On top of my personal love for the USP, KWA is a Gas Blow Back companies I, and many others, have had good luck with. In both power and durability, KWA tends to beat many of its competitors. So, lets see how this gun stacks up against the rest.
Real Steel History
*Taken from Modern Firearms a.k.a. world.guns.ru
“Heckler & Koch started the development of a new Universal Selbstlade Pistole (Universal Self-loading Pistol, or USP in short), in mid-1989. The concept of the new design was to provide a universal weapon for police and military forces, available in a variety of versions and sizes. The target market for this new weapon was apparently the USA, as the first version of the pistol, which appeared in 1993, was chambered for a new American cartridge, the .40 S&W. A 9mm version appeared a little later, and in 1995 the slightly modified 9mm USP pistol was adopted by the Bundeswehr (German army) as its new service pistol, under the designation P8. The same year the company also brought out another “America-special” version of the USP, this time in.45 ACP caliber. In 1996 the first of the Compact series of USP pistols entered production, and next year it was officially approved for German police use as the 9mm P10. Several versions of the USP were also made specifically for civilian markets, such as the USP Expert, USP Elite and USP Match. There are also several special-purpose versions of the USP. These include two original variations fitted with extended threaded barrels to be used with silencers, the .45 caliber USP Tactical and 9mm USP 9 SD, recently joined by the .45 caliber USP 45 Compact Tactical, sometimes preferred by the US Military users over the much bulkier and heavier Mark 23 Model 0 pistol of the same caliber.”
With controls and feel very reminiscent of a Colt M1911 (granted about half-again as wide) the USP is one of the few synthetic framed .45 ACP pistols to be considered “acceptable” and with good reason. At the end of the day, the USP really is just a very large framed M1911, which is why the transition to training on older colts to the new USP is very natural for both troops and law enforcement officials.
First Impressions
I ordered my KWA from Hot Spot airsoft for about $145 even and it arrived a few days later. I remember upon seeing the box I was slightly anxious as it clearly is labeled “KWA KP8 Compact.” Upon opening the box though I was relieved to see that it was indeed the full size.
Inside I found the gun, an extra magazine (I had ordered one extra from Hot Spot), a small bag of bb’s, some silicon oil, and a magazine-charging rod. The packaging is quite nice and will definitely brace the gun against pretty much the roughest treatment it would encounter during shipping.
As an added bonus, as with most KWA guns, the back of the case doubles as a short-range target set.
The first holding of the gun was very satisfying. It feels almost identical to my real steel, which is always a satisfying trait.
Appearance
Looking this replica over you get a distinct, realistic feel. While mine has no trademarks there are versions that carry the full H&K .45 Auto trades and there are also separate slide kits that can be switched out (plastic ones running about $10 and metal for about $50) if your that worried about that. Personally trades on a pistol only get so far with me and I do not feel that it’s a point to be contested. The only negative thing I can say about the slide is that its overall finish is quite shinny, too shinny for my tastes. This detracts a tad from the overall appearance as it easily smudges and takes fingerprints, something not found on its real life counterpart.
The machinery markings on the gun are accurate, a clear “S” and “F” on the safety lever that doubles as a decocking lever (which is a great feature).
The sights have painted white dots, in place of tritium inserts on the real steel (not on earlier models but mine does), which do help, during the day, with sight acquisition.
And lastly, as something that interests me that, when I first got the gun, was something that rang as very intriguing, which is the metal serial number plate located on the underside of the frame.
A minor detail but if you’re used to handling real steel pistols it’s something that you may appreciate.
Overall, I think KWA’s USP looks great. The trademarks might be a turnoff for some but aside from that I would say that this gun is more or less spot on.
Look Grade: 8/10
Feel/Aesthetic
This is where I really feel in love with the KWA USP. It feels, in both balance and weight, exactly the same as my real steel. Now when dealing with the USP there are two sides to the feel, some say it’s too wide/too unwieldy, and to others it sits in their hand like a glove. For me, the USP has always been a glove. I find it has more to do with your stance and how you grip the gun but more on that later.
The polymer frame feels identical to the real steel. There’s no ands, ifs, or buts about it, what you’re actually holding feels very real. Most of the gun’s weight is in the grip mainly due to the weighted magazine and mechanics, which again is true to form with the real USP when loaded.
Moving up the metal slide leaves a little to be desired mainly in its finish. As mentioned it is shinny but also the feel is quite sad. I might be a tad spoiled on the real steel, but “steel” would have been nice on this gun. One can tell right away, without even stripping the gun down, that it is low quality pot metal. The metal used on the magazine and the internal workings have a much nicer, stronger feel.
As with many guns from KWA they made the USP “work” like the real one. The KWA USP .45 can work in both double and single action, also including a working decocking lever (simply press the safety lever down, as with the real steel), which is nice when you want to carry the gun hot but with the hammer down.
Now my first two gas guns (the USP being my third) were both Marui’s, the H&K Mk23, which is too big even for me, and the Marui M92FS GBB. Now going from those to this is a huge step in my opinion when it comes to the feel of the gun, since those do, despite being very nice guns, feel like toys, due to the more “plastic” frame and slide. This gun sits in your hand and feels very natural and real when drawn.
One last point is the trigger pull. On the real USP that is often the reason why someone won’t choose the USP, because it is fairly hard and can screw with your aim. The KWA USP does not suffer this problem as with the hammer cocked back it’s a very smooth pull. The only time that it is a little harder pull is with the hammer down, where the KWA USP has the same problem with the real steel, having “stages” of pulling, which can rattle your aim just ever so slightly. This isn’t that great of a problem though and I don’t see how, with practice, that it’d really be any major factor in your mind.
Feel Grade: 9/10
Aesthetics: 9/10
Shooting
This is the fun part as usual, to get the technicals out of the way: for testing purposes I use Madbull .25g BB’s with Top Green gas. The gun chronos in the 325-340 range on an average temperature day (about 70-80 Degrees Fahrenheit).
Starting with range I clocked this gun’s maximum range on a man-sized target to be about 120 feet. After that the shots become too random to be considered effective range.
For the sake of groupings my best (or at least the best ones I’d be willing to admit to) were about 4 inches across at about 60 feet, which for a sidearm in airsoft is more than you need. That’s good enough to ht an arm, leg, head, or hand sticking out from behind a tree, bunker or anything else you’d encounter on a battlefield. And yes, you could hit a target out 120 feet, I would never grab my sidearm for such a shot, so I feel that to be a moot point.
Moving on, the part that I love the most when shooting this gun is the recoil. Despite my complaints on the quality of the slide, it does carry some weight on the blowback and someone shooting a gun with kick for the first time will require a little bit of practice to get a good, accurate double-tap.
On that subject, this gun is still the most enjoyable airsoft and real gun I’ve encountered to do a 2+1 drill with. It’s very easy to pull a double tap plus a third with this gun as, even if your very good at controlling a pistol, this gun has a tendency to “flow” up after the second shot right to where a CQC target’s head would be. Now that’s more of a target shooting idea, as doing that on your friends in a match won’t be taken to kindly, but it is a great timed trick you can practice at to show off.
Now personally, when shooting the USP I apparently hold it in a more “European” stance, with my right foot at a right angle to my left, two hands on the pistol, my right gripping it and my left around my right, thumbs crossed, with my left index finger resting on the outside of the trigger guard. Now to me that was how I always held a pistol and on the KWA USP, as with the real steel, there is a textured section on the outside of the pistol grip for gripping it in just this way.
Now this is a total preference thing but having tried other stances I always return to this as I find it to be the most sup portative and the most natural give the contours of the USP.
When playing I use an IWB G-Code Kydex holster in both the pad and paddle form (depending on the vest). I don’t like drop legs as that’s not my natural draw and I find that given the design of the USP, roughly a thick M1911, it lends itself to a hip holster much better than a thigh.
On some gas guns the slide lock has a tendency to wear out or work intermittent. I’ve found that the KWA USP has held up under heavy use for years. The recoil springs snap the slide back just as cleanly as they use to.
Overall I find the KWA USP’s shooting abilities great. It has great range, decent accuracy, and most importantly, durability over heavy use.
Shooting Grade 8/10
Accuracy Grade: 7/10
Ranger Grade: 8/10
Power Grade: 9/10
Use Grade: 8/10
Conclusion
I love the USP Full Sized and I feel that KWA has done this great gun justice. It’s very solid and has an extremely realistic feel. It’s very reliable and to me is the most natural draw pistol there is. Strength wise this gun is known for being a stinger, as it takes Top Green Gas stock, which is always a nice feature.
Pros:
Metal Slide
Heavy Weight
Realistic Feel
Great Grips
Great Power
Very Crisp Blow Back Action
Easy Controls
Cons:
Medium Quality Metals used
No Trades
Heavy Weight (can be a bit annoying for some)
Cheap Paint Used/Too Shinny on slide
The USP .45 Full Sized from KWA gets my thumbs up and I would recommend it to anyone in need of a good heavy sidearm.
Overall grade: 9/10
Credits:
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg11-e.htm
http://www.hkpro.com/usp45.htm------------------------------ Never argue with a gun, it may argue back... United States Corps of Cadets, USMA Cadet, United States Army 2012 "For More Than Ourselves"
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