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Description:
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The Five-Seven is a very slick, futuristic looking pistol that many (but not all) of us have been looking forward to since 2000. Thanks to Marushin a limited number of 6mm models have been released.
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Five Seven 5 7 Marushin Pistol USG FN Fabrique Nationale
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StigmataTickles
Registered: July 2005
Location: Everett, Washington USA
Posts: 46
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Review Date: 8/10/07
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Would you recommend the product? No |
Price you paid?: £140.00
| Rating: 3
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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A new type of gun on the market, Hopefully this gets KSC working on a FiveSeven
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Cons:
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Seams, Double loads consistently, Valves freeze quickly, 18 round magazine (20 in real steel), Mag is 3/4 of total weight, Hop up is a joke, Blue Trades
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INTRO:
I have never had any prior experience with a gas pistol that wasn't a KSC, I knew when I made the purchase it would be a pretty big risk. And by all means the odds were against me with it being a company I wan't familiar with, and a new type of gun. But really it shouldn't have been too hard to make the gun better than this.
HASSLES: (for me any way)
I've now owned the gun for a little over a month and have put about 100-200 rounds through it. However it was a hassle right from the start. I knew it used HFC134a and was willing to overlook this minor annoyance for the fact that it was an airsoft FiveSeven. HFC134a is impossible to find in the area I'm in. In fact green gas is fairly hard to find as well (now that the only airsoft shop is closed). After spending an extra 30 bucks on redwolf for the gas, I took it for it's first test run.
REVIEW:
Pre Firing:
The first thing I noticed, upon loading the clip was that the bbs in the mag were getting dirty from some oil in there. I presumed this to be a mixture of silicone oil and dirt. So I tried my best to clean it out, and replaced the oil with my own. It just worried me a little. The next thing abut the clip is that it actually holds LESS ammo than the real thing. I know the 6mm bbs are larger in diameter than the 5.7mm bullets, so there wasn't much room to work with. But Marushin COULD have made the magazine a double stack with minimal effort. Putting gas in the mag is just standard procedure. Nothing odd about it.
Firing:
We have a cronograph that me and a neighbor pitched in for. the first shot, was 190 fps. this was very discouraging as the box and Redwolf said it was closer to 240. However, the next few shots ranged anywhere in between 170-235 fps. it was the most inconsistent gun we had ever fired. After about six shots the slide locked up and all the remaining gas was resleased in a big whoosh. I hoped this was a fluke. tried once more and the same thing happened.
We decided to take the gun down. I noticed right away a loose spring in the back of the gun near the hammer. I assume this is an anti reversal spring of some sort (looks similar to the one in my AEG, just tiny). I tensioned the spring onto its peg and went back to firing. The FPS was still within the above range and very inconsistent. this time the slide didn't lock up but the gas was still being expelled.
We took out the magazine and found the valve frozen in the open position. After six rapid shots the valve had already frozen. This was kind of the final straw. I now officially hated marushin for tempting me with this beautiful peice of garbage.
Anyway, accuracy is also shoddy. sometimes shoots way up and smetimes curves off to the left or right. my 20 dollar spring desert eagle is more accurate than this, although it doesn't shoot as far.
First Skirmish:
litterally lasted me 10 minutes. Now there are two bbs lodged permanently in the hop up. I tried a ram rod, I tried pulling them out with needle nose pliers. I tried lubing it and repeating with no success. When I pull or push on the bbs the hop up looks as if it is ripping out of the gun. My $140 peice of junk is now a wall hanger.
Wait for the KSC to buy a fiveseven, but I can assure you, I've been soured to it forever.
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orca
The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla
Registered: September 2004
Location: Behind the Orange Kurtain, So. Kalifornia.
Posts: 1,263
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Review Date: 29/10/07
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Would you recommend the product? No |
Price you paid?: £100.00
| Rating: 4
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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Replica of the FN 5-7
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Cons:
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Plastic everywhere!
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Since my first AEG, an FN -P90, I've been interested in the 5.7x28mm round and anything that could be related. The FN Five-Seven (Named after the round, duh), is the first semi auto pistol to take this round. Marushin created the first replica of the USG variant and did quite a nice job appearance wise.
Unfortunately, a decent airsoft GBB can't only rely on appearances alone... The overall build of this gun is plastic. Only notable areas of metal build are the magazine, outer barrel and firing mechanism parts (linkages, springs, etc). The overall weight of the USG is around 1.6 lbs, which most of that weight is in the magazine. The FN Herstal name was removed by "milling" out the plastic as seen in the above pic.
I opted to go with the 6mm version, since 6mm is closer to the size of the 5.7mm cartridge. The 6mm carries 18 rounds, the 8mm holds only 10 rounds and the real Five-Seven holds 20 rounds. In the FPS results below you'll see that the 8mm has pretty much the same if not better FPS then the 6mm but if you take into account the weight and mass of an 8mm bb over a 6mm you can see the 8mm gun was designed to be more powerful.
Some people were saying that this Marushin product is a U.S. Import Version. While yes, technically if you live in the U.S. and you buy anything imported it can be considered a U.S. import version. The Marushin Five-Seven USG that is being distributed by Spartan Imports has NOT been modified/reinforced, like the U.S. import Versions of the Marushin M500, M1 Garand and M2 Carbine for higher pressure gas use.
Take down is EXTREMELY easy. Unfortunately the hopup adjustment allen screw is hard to reach and does require removal of the barrel from slide to adjust.
Gas Usage Advisory!
Any Japanese Manufactured, Gas Blow Back Pistols are built to take 134agas, which is weaker then Green Gas. From my personal experience I found that Tokyo Marui, Western Arms and KSC GBB's can handle the more powerful Green Gas without problems. But for most other Japanese GBB's the use of the weaker 134a will insure a long, life. Use higher pressure gases at your own risk!
That being said... Of course I tested both 6mm and 8mm version on both 134a and Green Gas. Average FPS results below.
Marushin - Five-Seven, 6mm .20 bb
134a Gas @ 74° F. 252 fps
Green Gas @ 74° F. 317
Marushin - Five-Seven, 8mm .27 bb
134a Gas @ 74° F. 236 fps
Green Gas @ 74° F. 320 fps
Updates of info can be found here.
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Putting my money where my mouth is...
OMFG The A.I.C.S. is NOT an L96, AWP or AWM!!!
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zentaurus
Registered: May 2006
Location: 26 Sagittarius 10
Posts: 994
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Review Date: 21/2/08
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: None indicated
| Rating: 8
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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only, so far, replica of the FN Five-seveN
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Cons:
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too much plastic
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It is definitely not a TM . . . . . it is not even a KSC . . . . but it is the only Five-seveN in town. And to match the anticipation it created, this treasure box unpeels like an onion.
After you peel off the box layers and put the accompanying manual, Marushin catalog, bb pack, push rod, and small allen key aside, this is what you get . . .
right side:
left side:
and a built-in rail as well as the usual ambidextrous fire selector lever, takedown lever, and slide release lever:
Disassembly is a bit unusual -- you pull the slide rearward until you hear the hammer click into firing position and then push that white vertical tab on the frame till you hear a disengagement click. Then push the slide forward. When you feel the slide disengage from the frame, you can pull the slide up for field disassembly. The process is described in the accompanying manual which is in Japanese.
The Marushin Five-seveN magazine has a distinctive orange insert for the gas flow outlet . . .
. . . uses a fixed guide bar instead of a barrel guide rod -- another distinctive feature --
and features the infamous LD2 system which uses a second, fixed hop up.
The rear right is adjustable for both elevation and drift . . .
. . but elevation is adjusted with a standard uncalibrated screw -- the whole assembly is a little too flimsy for my taste.
Another distinctive feature is the Marushin Industries trademark on the pistol grip panels:
Marushin can be forgiven for doing this, imho, cos the symbol is very similar to the FN trademark. Besides, it has taken care to give the buyer the expected FN trades.
Don't have a chrono ... (yet) . . . but Redwolf says 240fps. Subjectively, it feels lower in power compared to my other GBBs. Shooting at dense foam packaging bits I had lying around produced satisfying thwacks with some bbs successfully embedding themselves into the foam.
My first target shooting results were very unsatisfactory. Although there were sighting marks engraved on the front sight blade and on the sides of the rear sight ramp, these were not painted a distinguishing color and that lack really made getting the right sight picture a chore. A bit of tweaking with the elevation produced these results:
Of 10 shots with black .2g ICS Competition Grade bbs at 15', six got into the black center. The four outflyers were probably due to operator error -- he was concentrating more on feeling for the blowback rather than on maintaining the right sight picture. That, of course, added to the inherent inaccuracy of the 2nd LD2 hopup.
The magazine is metal. Like a well-used KSC Mk23, it will activate the slide release lever if you slap it in too smartly. Like the old TM M92FS, there is a bit of mag cooldown, especially after rapid firing.
Trigger pull was a bit too long, especially when compared to that of the TM 1911 Government. Trigger break, which is a bit heavy, comes right after the audible trigger reset. Like the KSC Mark 23, fast and successive double taps sometimes resulted in weak shots.
Pointability was poor. Most of the weight sits on the shooting hand. Good and crisp recoil action tends to bring the muzzle up and, since the only counterweight is the metal guide bar, it takes constant concentration to keep the front sight blade on target.
Overall, i would give the Marushin Five-seveN 8.0 - 8.5 out of 10 -- and that's given with a bit of generosity.
1. the build is good but there's too much that's plastic instead of metal -- (grrrr).
2. the blowback action is crisp but you can hardly feel it because of the lack of metal parts. and you can hardly hear the sound that normally accompanies gas expansion in the good GBBs.
3. accuracy is so so but not bad.
4. gas economy is a bit below current TM standard.
5. the mag can only load 18 shots max (or 19 with one in the chamber) -- why oh why didn't Marushin find a way to have 20 just like the RS?
But my satisfaction factor is 10x -- because it is my long-awaited Five-Seven!! Until the TM version arrives there's no option except to live with all its quirks and warts.
After a month or so of thinking and some research, I've decided that these plastic cylinders that came with the Marushin Five-seveN package . . .
. . . were really meant to function as buffer tubes. But they seemed too hard for that purpose so I replaced them with foam cutouts.
No discernable difference in performance that I can see, however, so I could have guessed wrong (yes, I've gone to the Marushin site and found no additional info. ) Suggestions welcome.
Thanks for looking in.
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PenGun
Registered: October 2004
Location: Dublin
Posts: 549
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Review Date: 9/5/08
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Would you recommend the product? No |
Price you paid?: None indicated
| Rating: 4
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Positive aspects of the product (pros):
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Eh...its a Five-seveN?
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Cons:
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Why you shouldn't impulse-buy in airsoft, LD-2, turns into a fridge after rapid-fire
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Uggghhhh...the only GBB that I actually regret buying.
And I thought I'd never say that!
The most annoying thing is the cr@ppy LD-2 barrel which means that not even good accuracy can redeem the 5-7s many flaws.
Its shiny, lightweight (all the weight seems to be in the magazine) and only holds 18 rounds of 6mm BBs.
Also, the 20mm rail is dimensioned incorrectly so tactical lights slide back and forth a bit...very irritating.
The blue trades look slightly silly and the sights are a bit fragile.
There are zero upgrades available so my dreams of a Sam Fisher load-out are but a dream as of yet...:(
Hopefully the P210 Heavyweight I've ordered will be a vast improvement!
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Registered: July 2005
Location: Everett, Washington USA