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cazboab
For the Emperor and Saint Pius
Registered: September 2004
Location: Linwood, twined with the Maelstrom.
Posts: 3637
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Review Date: 4/10/08
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: Not Indicated
| Rating: 7
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looks good, fancy rails, shoots pretty good stock.
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shoots too hot for most sites in UK, some parts could be made a bit smoother.
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So Deepfire make lots of shiny(actually they're sort of more matt with a bit of shimmer) titanium bits for AEGs, and they decided to shove all them inside an M4, this here is the result.
What do you get:
In the box you'll find a hicap, the gun a cleaning rod, a spare deans connector should you need to change the end on a battery and a nicely embossed and cleanly printed though almost completely useless manual.
How the gun looks:
The black parts are all a very nice finish, with the lower receiver to my eye being slightly less matt, the only exception being the locking ring on the stock which is quite shiny, and at fist I actually thought it was plastic. The pistol grip is a copy of the tango down battlegrip, the rails are a copy of the Troy MRF-CX, and the read flip sight is a troy battle sight. The end result being a rifle that I'd either describe as very high-end looking rifle, or a "guvvamint space gun". The grey colour of the selector, dust cover and mag catch will probably come down to personal taste, but I think its quite nice to have that little bit of a contrast, the smallest, but to me one of the most important (I even took a picture of it on its own) features looks wise is the medieval flash hider, which just looks mean. 
There are some trades on the gun and rail system, but they're not complete, the receiver is marked partially as a sabre defence lower while the rails and rear sight are marked pretty much the same as the troy product, but without the words "troy industries".
How the gun feels:
The grip, stock and rail covers are made of plastic that aparently comes from Germany and is textured quite nicely to aid grip, however, the stock does wobble quite badly, and without a battery to hold the twist covers in place they will rattle a lot, the bolt release will also rattle a fair bit. The mag catch feels quite gritty and some mags-even the hicap supplied- need a good solid thrust to seat them-star 30 rounds won't even go in the magwell-, once a mag is in it won't wobble at all, and I can hold the gun upside down by the magazine should I so wish. Pulling the charging handle feels very gritty, and the bolt will jam open when you let go(picture of jammed bolt)this might be deliberate on deepfire's part as it helps set the hop, but it feels cheap and is only done by the fake bolt rubbing on the ribbed cylinder. The forward assist is immobile and the fire select, though loose at first snaps nicely into all three positions once its tightened up.
How the gun shoots:
The hicap is functional, but a bit basic and the trap door on top won't lock open like most others.
Out of the box this one checked in at 380-390 fps with Xtream .2g bbs at 750 rounds a minute on 8.4v, it feeds fine from any magazine I have that fits, particularly the G&P tracer mags and VN mids which don't run too well in other M4s I've tried them in. After burning off a couple of hicaps in long bursts the motor was starting to get a bit warm, but it did cut a medium pizza box in half in a few seconds.
Other points:
After playing about for a few hours the selector lever became very loose, and since I had to drop the fps down before I can use it in a skirmish, I decided to take it down and fix both at once. First problem here was the screws used on the grip were hex heads, one of then pretty much dissolved under the pressure of the allen key, so I replaced them both with flat heads for now, next thing I notice taking the gun apart is that the selector plate looks slightly too small to fit the rails and doesn't always make a good connection, easily fixed by bending the contacts bellow up slightly, the selector switch was just a lose screw, and after swapping out the spring the gun gives 340 fps quite consistently.
After removing the rail covers I noticed a silver stud on the lower rail, which when pushed in and the large hex heads on the sides are loosened allows the lower rail to slide off to fit a barrel mounted M203.
By far the biggest gripe I have with this gun is the manual, it looks nice, but there's not much information in it, in fact it doesn't even tell you how to put the battery in. Its printed on really good paper and even embossed on the front, so the fact that its utterly pointless is a bit of a let down.
overall:
Really this is a nice gun, but its got a couple flaws, if deepfire tighten up your selector switch right and you can play with a nearly 400fps rifle in your locale you might never find out about them.
Its difficult to quantify whether or not I'd recommend the gun as a straight yes or no,- if someone's asking about what gun to spend $400 on ,on the one hand it looks really nice and shoots great, but on the other the little niggles detract from it a bit, though if you're thinking of buying one or you want a solid M4 that looks a little bit more different well then you can probably overlook the flaws or fix them in the space of a half hour.
Ultimately I'd say, yeah its a decent enough gun when compared to the other ones in its price range, and the internals should take much more abuse than those, and by the time you're investing in a $400 AEG you probably shouldn't need a manual to tell
you were the battery goes. :D
EDIT: after finally getting out to a skirmish, I found there's one huge problem with this, the hop is quite dire, given that I dropped the fps down I wasn't gonna be too harsh about the range, but for a 340 fps gun to have the piss-poor range this thing has something ain't right, and in this case its the hop nub, one my example it was very very soft, so soft it was squashing rather than imparting downward force on the sleeve, which has a rather odd three pronged arrangement in place of the regular one sideways lump. I'll test the sleeve out with a stiffer bucking some point in the next few weeks, but as it was the gun was rather disappointing given how good it looks.------------------------------ The Emperor has left the building...
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AnimalmotherXD
Registered: September 2007
Posts: 11
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Review Date: 9/10/08
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Would you recommend the product? Yes |
Price you paid?: £369.00
| Rating: 10
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Pros:
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Tough Build, Great Feel/Balance, Fires Nicely Stock, Very Light
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Cons:
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Selector Switch is Loose, Im not a fan of the stock hopup chamber
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Overview:
I am not a firm believer in "out of the box reviews" and what the manuel says or what the box looks like is irrelevant to the gun review. You don't need a manual to tell you how connect a battery. This is my first and only review I will ever do. I will do my best to tell you about a rifle I feel has much potential. I have had this for a while now and it's been through quite a bit of action from the ocean front to the deep forests and on an old Nike missile site above the City by the Bay. I've been everywhere. I firmly believe this rifle can hold it's own on any field.
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The DeepFire M4s ARE NOT FINISHED. These are prototypes by DeepFire and not the final product. The final product when released will have at the very least trades.
Feel/Build:
I have the CQB version with a 7.5" barrel and is a prototype replica of the Troy M7A1. I've owned the KWA M4, G&P M4, CA M15 CQB and I like my DeepFire as much as the G&P if not more. One unique thing about this gun is it is really light for an M4. It felt considerably lighter then the others by far and also is very durable for how light it is. The trades on it are bleak and the body standard. As I said above, it is a prototype. Since I have had this as my primary, I fell with it once slamming it on the ground on the mag. You can be assured it's build quality is 10/10.
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If you have any problems with the magwell, charging handle, or magazine catch feeling a LITTLE gritty simply oil it and wipe it away and that's that. The Externals ARE VERY FINE. I solved any grit problems by simply oiling and wiping away. Solved.
Selector Switch / Sights
The selector switch on my gun is still loose but it locks in smooth and tightly. I have not tightened it and it's been through many skirmishes and it's still on and doesn't feel to be getting any looser. I honestly am to lazy to tighten it. I don't think it'll be a problem for a while since it made it this far not loosening up.
The DeepFire folding battle sights are comparable to Hurricanes H&K 416 sights in terms of quality and smoothness, they cost 100 on redwolfairsoft. When I got my gun they were loose. I just tightened the screw and it was fine.
Crane Stock:
I took off the stock and put on a CA 416 Stock. I didn't like the stock it came with it at the time. If you plan on putting on a 416 stock don't cut the buffer tube. Get a QD Swivel Spacer or mod the stock like I did. Never cut the body.
Muzzle Amplifier:
It's LOUD, and I mean LOUD. It is very distinct and it echos. It's got a powerful pop to it thanks to the replica unmarked Noveske KX3 Muzzle Amplifier and the aluminum piston. The KX3 also tightens all the way to push against the RIS for support, although I really don't think it needs it. I took of the muzzle amplifier and put on a G&P KAC 05 Knights flash hider on.
Inner Barrel:
6.04 Barrel 200mm- Stock. The DeepFire M4 CQB is impressively accurate for it's size but I can't say when I first had it because I got rid of the inner barrel when I got the gun. The stock inner barrel was nothing compared to the prometheus inner barrel. I swapped in a prometheus G3 SAS (6.03 208mm) barrel and was done with it.
Hop-Up
As for the hop-up dial. I was not really diggin it. I couldn't get a feel of measure for how far it was set. No stopper on the dial either. I swapped it with prometheus neo chamber, prometheus sot bucking with stock nub and it shoots great. It made a world of difference.
I emailed DeepDire because I was curious about the receiver. I asked them what there receiver is made of and they simply responded "aluminum" and that was that.
In conclusion,
This has been a great gun so far, and I can vouch for it as it's my primary weapon. If you are looking for a tough gun that's compact this is what your looking for. It's been reliable, always fed well, and survived falls.
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